Victorian Gray
Lifer
*Canada* pretty much wants nothing to do with it (at least in a military attack sense). The Conservative Party of Canada are the lunatics here.
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Canadian Parliament debates action against ISIS/ISIL
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*Canada* pretty much wants nothing to do with it (at least in a military attack sense). The Conservative Party of Canada are the lunatics here.
Victorian Gray
Lifer
What's our 'dog' then?
Victorian Gray
Lifer
We still have it?
Victorian Gray
Lifer
And for other than the roughly 25-30% of the 'true believers' Harper has no idea either and his negative ratings back that up I think.
Victorian Gray
Lifer
No, our puppy of a Prime Minister likes to pretend that he can 'run with the big dogs'. Most of the rest of us, not so much.
Victorian Gray
Lifer
No, It's happening because the PM and his 'brain trust' believe that there is political capital to be picked up. This is a cynical political move and nothing more.
Victorian Gray
Lifer
Matt1970
Lifer
You lost track of your one tank? What's that all aboot?
Victorian Gray
Lifer
I though we sold it to Kazakhstan a few years ago to pay for the new paint job on the PM's plane.
Huh, maybe we actually had 2 of them.
MomentsofSanity
Lifer
Polling has showed overwhelming support for Canadian military involvement (fighter jets) against ISIS.
werepossum
Elite Member
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Hey, we have beavers and geese down here too. As for maples leaves, when my father was in the auto parts business we once got in three license tags for either the Toronto Maples Leaves or maybe just Canada, big red maple leaf on a gold background. After a few WTFs we put them up, figuring we'd display them until the salesman returned. Sold all three in a couple days, so figuring we had a substantial hockey fan or Cannuck base in our tiny Tennessee town we took a gamble and ordered a couple more. They sold quickly. We must have sold a couple dozen before we figured it out - the stoners thought it was a big red pot leaf.
As far as exit strategy, is that really necessary for air strikes? Wouldn't that just be "Hey guys, fly back this way now"?
Victorian Gray
Lifer
Support is a mile wide and an inch deep. Polls I've seen seem to show it's under a majority for anything approaching strong support (45-46%).
We have no business sending those flying deathtraps to the Middle East so that the Conservative Party and it's leader can swing their metaphorical dicks over their shoulders while hoping to reap some political 'points' out of this.
Victorian Gray
Lifer
:biggrin: (noting my location) :biggrin:
and there has to be at least 20 or 25 fans in the state for these guys:
Our Air-force flying home
No, not at all. cbruuny, careful with that CPC Kool-Aid. Our current weak and rather ineffectual Prime Minister was quite absent in the House of Commons for the debate. Not much of a leader, so afraid to go on House record and face the questions. Errand boys, as usual, were ordered and took the sword.
Are you an advocate of tyrannical fascism? A prime purpose of Parliamentary procedure is to offer an opportunity of debate and in Question Period, the opposition parties have their a primary mission to question the government upon is policies.
Up until this point, for weeks, the government has done its utmost to insult Canadians with avoidance of adequate respect for Canadians. By ignoring questions posed by opposition Members of Parliament, straight to the inexcusable embarrassment of the Conservative Parliamentary Secretary, Paul Calandra, with tearful apology to the House for his behaviour against
answers for military engagement. His misdirecting actions were upon the direct orders of the Prime Minister's Office.
And do what?
What is the mission and what is the goal?
You state the 'eradication of ISIS'? That's bullshit hyperbole. Air power cannot conquer a present and occupying military force on the ground. FULL STOP.
Let's get straight into discussing this theatre of operations:
??? The UK only had voted in their House of Commons last week. Australia has just got around to it. Only a few weeks of action by the USA and have any of your representative houses voted on action? Quite the flippant comment by you, Fern.
This contemporary theatre of operations, particularly Iraq, is out of Canadian scope of engagement and responsibility. Fern, is you ignorance so extreme to expect Canada to immediate come to the USA's beck and call, to help fix what the USA -- NOT Canada -- broke?
Let's be clear -- the USA, Brits, Danes, and Australians committed in 2003 to an illegal war of aggression, effectively breaking Iraq, and were instrumental in setting the stage for the present actors of the civil war there now. ISIS's blood is directly upon the USA's hands for its abomination of policy to effectively divide Iraq upon religious lines. The stupidity of disbanding the Sunni dominated Iraq military and the de-Ba'athifictaion of that state are where the current IS military mostly come.
Airstrikes against IS are only a token, face saving, and chest pumping gesture -- not a solution. The removal of a military force can only be accomplished by an opposing ground force. Airstrikes can possible weaken a present force and slow its advance -- but not force its retreat and particularly not impose its defeat. Just today, the northern Syrian town of Kobane is about to fall. Have the US airstrikes prevented the fall to IS of the entire Syrian-Turkey border region? Absolutely not. Who are the ground forces that these airstrikes are to support? What is their goal?
cbrunny, your partisan post is quite inane in that you mock Mulcair and the Liberals for asking valid questions. Seriously, I take much greater analysis stock from the Liberal likes of Naval Captain Marc Garneau and Lieutenant-General Andrew Leslie (who will for a seat next year), than the vapid benches of the Conservative government, notably PM Stephen Harper who was so keen to join in to the 2003 criminal follies into Iraq.
Who's to be militarily supported from the air in Syria and Iraq? Two civil wars that we are now to take sides upon.
- Syria -- the Syrian government? Kurdish militias?
- Iraq -- the Shia dominating military and government and to repeat the past US failures of pacification in Falujah and elsewhere? That was with 'boots on the ground,' yet the ultimate blowback was a more violent and oppressive civil war that is present there now.
Then we have the Kurds, who against the perception of our NATO ally, have many of their militia and leadership categorised under active terrorism upon the domestic territory of Turkey.
The entire situation is a rationally forecasted mess, and it's of little wonder that tomorrow the Conservative government will fail to gain opposition support for a military mission in Iraq. No decent leader goes out of his way to push away and insult the opposition in times when military conduct is best acted with unity. Stephen Harper is a blowhard. Long dreaming of leading in military glory while using any opportunity to rally only his political base. The ultimate chicken hawk who is incapable of recognising the strength of 'speaking softly while carrying a big stick.' He ain't got no stick to play, but has the bombastic audacity to nearly repeat the GW Bush deranged call of 'Bring it on.'
Before the next federal election, an easy prediction of no military gains being quantitatively gained against core IS held territory. More refugees. More massacres and crimes to play up the IS propaganda goal of terrorizing a held populace into submission.
It is vile. It is horrible. I appreciate that they should be stopped. But to what practical end?
Airstrikes provide no solution and at present any means to a relatively quick resolution. 11 years after the US led criminal invasion into Iraq, and what has been accomplished? This is not Canada's fight to meddle up any further.
Fern, you in the USA care? Then send your boots on the ground to die and occupy for another decade with the hope of achieving some semblance of civility. You broke it. Millions are paying the price for it, and if to go in again, millions more will continue to do so with no rational expectation for a lasting resolution. A great big clusterfuck by bombastic pricks who ignorantly from half way arund the world militarily rush to act without thought.
cbrunny, this is why Canadian opposition parties should vote against a Harper platitude of bravado military tokenism. The Prime Minister has gone out of his way to take the lead and make this Royal Canadian Air Force mission his fight. Gleefully, I will see his inept party fall at the polls in a year or sooner.
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Nebor
Lifer
Go fly off to personal stomp on the ground, then.
Flippantly macho bravado kills for no benefit.
You failed to resolve and only exasperated the strife, so you expect better this time around with a bit of naive and stand-off tokenism?
Zorkorist
Diamond Member
This is a Religion, a culture, that has been killing for hundreds of years. They have been blaspheming woman, etc.
Today, they have technology where they can thrust their itsy bitsy penisis on the world stage, and by golly, they are going to thrust! Hard!
So forgive me, you, if I want to eradicate them.
I want to end, everything they believe in.
-John
Someone else may forgive you, but we are infracting you. You cannot advocate wholesale genocide or religicide here.
Perknose
Forum Director
Today, they have technology where they can thrust their itsy bitsy penisis on the world stage, and by golly, they are going to thrust! Hard!
So forgive me, you, if I want to eradicate them.
I want to end, everything they believe in.
-John
Someone else may forgive you, but we are infracting you. You cannot advocate wholesale genocide or religicide here.
Perknose
Forum Director
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Full on generalised hate speech and incitement to exterminating genocide:
Such is far too commonly expressed and thereby published in AnandTech's P&N. The above is unfortunately expected and defended by membership.
What a good little chickenshit Nazi, you are.
Such is far too commonly expressed and thereby published in AnandTech's P&N. The above is unfortunately expected and defended by membership.
Iraqis, you ignorant and genocidal twit?
I have the decency and civilised intelligence to not prejudicially condemn to death an entire population.
To answer your question, yes, the vast majority of Muslims in this world are decent, respectful, and honourable human beings, and equally share my distaste and condemn those such as IS. I both sympathise, and as a Jew, empathise with the extremely violent hatred they may face from the repugnant likes of you.
Now, Zorkorist, as only a miniscule portion of those you entirely condemn, you are a vile extremist, and let's have faith in this community for a swift and enforcing hand from above to put you in your well deserved place. Too much of this membership continue to feel freedom to incite extreme hatred and genocide.
Now go off, and soak up more of Anders Breivik's manifesto while you jerk off to the massacring deaths the likes of him, you, and IS dream for.
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