Canadian JTF 2 sniper smashes longest kill record in Iraq

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a JTF 2 (Joint Task Force 2, Canada's elite anti terrorism unit) sniper took down an ISIL combatant from 3540m. That's about 2.2 miles. Broke the previous record by thousands of feet.

The factors his spotter would have need to calculate for that are astounding. The bullet had a 10 second travel time to target. The kill was confirmed with video.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-elite-special-forces-sniper-sets-record-breaking-kill-shot-in-iraq/article35415651/?service=amp

The elite sniper was using a McMillan TAC-50 sniper rifle while firing from a high-rise during an operation that took place within the last month in Iraq. It took under 10 seconds to hit the target.

“The shot in question actually disrupted a Daesh [Islamic State] attack on Iraqi security forces,” said a military source. “Instead of dropping a bomb that could potentially kill civilians in the area, it is a very precise application of force and because it was so far way, the bad guys didn’t have a clue what was happening.”
 
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UNCjigga

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Princess Patricia strikes again! Those Canadian snipers are hardcore...C15 is a nice piece of kit!
 
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Princess Patricia strikes again! Those Canadian snipers are hardcore...C15 is a nice piece of kit!
Would surprise a lot of people I'm sure to learn that 3 of the 4 longest kills in history are held by Canadians all using the TAC-50.
 

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Hockey. Puotine. And long distance sniping champions. Canada is a hell of a country. :D
 

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“You have to adjust for him firing from a higher location downward and as the round drops you have to account for that. And from that distance you actually have to account for the curvature of the Earth.”
Just insane.
 

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Just insane.

Yep. This gif summarizes my thoughts...

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zinfamous

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I wonder what that Finnish fellow with his iron sights and bolt action rifle, who single-handedly took down the entire Soviet invasion force, would have been able to do with more modern rifles?
 

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So many variables ... wow. It would have slowed down immensely by the time it struck as well.
 

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This smells like BS. Somebody should calculate the energy of a 50 cal shot from that distance, because it can't be all that much. Prob going like 300-400 m/s at that point at best. It is quite suspicious that it is over 1km further than any other shot with the same or similar rifles.


In most places in the world, you can't even see 3.4km with optics because of particulate air pollution. It's possible afghanistan at high elevations is better than most, but you would need extremely powerful optics and very clear air to even be able to see your target at that distance.
 

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This smells like BS. Somebody should calculate the energy of a 50 cal shot from that distance, because it can't be all that much. Prob going like 300-400 m/s at that point at best. It is quite suspicious that it is over 1km further than any other shot with the same or similar rifles.


In most places in the world, you can't even see 3.4km with optics because of particulate air pollution. It's possible afghanistan at high elevations is better than most, but you would need extremely powerful optics and very clear air to even be able to see your target at that distance.

You really ought to stay away from anything military. By your own estimate that round would still be supersonic and very deadly. These rifles are fitted with the optics you describe and conditions in Afghanistan would allow for seeing the target. The shot was recorded on video and by other means. It's legit.
 

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This smells like BS. Somebody should calculate the energy of a 50 cal shot from that distance, because it can't be all that much. Prob going like 300-400 m/s at that point at best. It is quite suspicious that it is over 1km further than any other shot with the same or similar rifles.


In most places in the world, you can't even see 3.4km with optics because of particulate air pollution. It's possible afghanistan at high elevations is better than most, but you would need extremely powerful optics and very clear air to even be able to see your target at that distance.

According to my ballistics calculator on my phone this is totally doable, assuming they are firing some ammo equivalent to the top match ammo(like a hornaday amax) which is a 750 grain bullet launched at around 2600fps it would still have around 600-700ftlbs of energy at that distance(would have about 12k at the muzzle) This is more than enough to kill a human target.

For comparison a .223(M-16) rifle will retain 600-700ftlbs of energy at 400 yards, so if you think a M-16 can kill someone at 400 yards a .50bmg can put the same power on target at 3500 yards.

I certainly would not want to get hit with it at that or any distance.
 

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You really ought to stay away from anything military. By your own estimate that round would still be supersonic and very deadly. These rifles are fitted with the optics you describe and conditions in Afghanistan would allow for seeing the target. The shot was recorded on video and by other means. It's legit.


300m/s is supersonic? Your grasp of science is so impressive, lol. I'm sure you know even more about the military. I guess you'll just have to suffer through my 'amateur' assessment, Mr. Motorcycle Man....



Just FYI, it is statistically unlikely that this shot actually happened. There have been many similar records set and they all are in the range of 1.8-2.4km.... and the distribution shows a parabolic curve right up until you add this one to the graph! It doesn't make any sense that if such a shot was possible it wouldn't have happened many times before. We would've already had many 2.8km + records if it was so.

But what do I know, I don't even own a motorcycle!
 

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According to my ballistics calculator on my phone this is totally doable, assuming they are firing some ammo equivalent to the top match ammo(like a hornaday amax) which is a 750 grain bullet launched at around 2600fps it would still have around 600-700ftlbs of energy at that distance(would have about 12k at the muzzle) This is more than enough to kill a human target.

For comparison a .223(M-16) rifle will retain 600-700ftlbs of energy at 400 yards, so if you think a M-16 can kill someone at 400 yards a .50bmg can put the same power on target at 3500 yards.

I certainly would not want to get hit with it at that or any distance.

That's not much energy, and it is definitely slow enough for body armor or a helmet to stop. I'm not arguing that the shot is ballistically impossible, just that it is incredibly unlikely given the many prior records with the same exact rifle and under the same conditions.



I mean seriously guys, Trump wins the presidency and NATO troops can shoot a full km further than they ever could before? LOL!

This is fake news.
 

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I just noticed that it was Iraq, that settles it: This is a fake, And I can say that for certain now. Iraq has terrible air pollution and there is nowhere you could even come close to making such a shot. It is a flat desert for the most part, especially where they are fighting now. Thank you IronWing for pointing out how ridiculous it is!
 

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That's not much energy, and it is definitely slow enough for body armor or a helmet to stop. I'm not arguing that the shot is ballistically impossible, just that it is incredibly unlikely given the many prior records with the same exact rifle and under the same conditions.



I mean seriously guys, Trump wins the presidency and NATO troops can shoot a full km further than they ever could before? LOL!

This is fake news.

I think you need to go fire some guns or at least learn about ballistics/energy. 700ftbs is a TON of energy when its being focused on a tiny tip of a bullet. Thats 2-3 times the energy a 9mm at the muzzle of a pistol. This could certainly kill.
 

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300m/s is supersonic? Your grasp of science is so impressive, lol. I'm sure you know even more about the military. I guess you'll just have to suffer through my 'amateur' assessment, Mr. Motorcycle Man....



Just FYI, it is statistically unlikely that this shot actually happened. There have been many similar records set and they all are in the range of 1.8-2.4km.... and the distribution shows a parabolic curve right up until you add this one to the graph! It doesn't make any sense that if such a shot was possible it wouldn't have happened many times before. We would've already had many 2.8km + records if it was so.

But what do I know, I don't even own a motorcycle!


300 to 400 meters per second, your figures. Speed of sound is 343 meters per second. Fail.

http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/22lrballistics.htm

Know what a weapon of choice for professional hits? The .22 with no where the impact force of the .50 even at the distance here.

https://us.worldweatheronline.com/erbil-weather/arbil/iq.aspx

Current visibility in erbil is 8km

Vhttps://weather.com/weather/today/l/Baghdad+Iraq+IZXX0008:1:IZ

Baghdad is 6 miles.

You also say the shot isn't impossible but you say it hasn't happened in identical settings. Know what? I''ve made shots of 1 km with a .338 lapua and hit on a consistent basis. 1 km is nothing compared to the range of any of these shots and there no such thing as identical conditions which you couldn't possibly know. Conditions change between pulls of the trigger and anyone who's done long distance shooting can tell you that.

It hasn't happened before? If it had we would have known it. This is a combination of mechanical perfection, extraordinory ability, perfect conditions and an element of luck, and the latter does not take away from any other element. The perfect shot.

You missed on all points, a knowledge of ballistics, conditions, weapons, pretty much everything you used to say this is a fraud. Normally that would be just unfortunate ignorance but you tried it with NK, selling their military as some sophisticated force. This is a habit of yours and maybe you want to pick something else.
 
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I wonder what that Finnish fellow with his iron sights and bolt action rifle, who single-handedly took down the entire Soviet invasion force, would have been able to do with more modern rifles?

Probably used a Lahti 20mm rifle. 50 caliber is 12.7mm for comparison.
 

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300 to 400 meters per second, your figures. Speed of sound is 343 meters per second. Fail.

I said 300-400m/s, which is transonic... Just FYI, in case you would later like to pretend you know something about science, anything between .8 and 1.2 times the speed of sound is technically termed "transonic". You said "Supersonic". Fail.

http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/22lrballistics.htm

Know what a weapon of choice for professional hits? The .22 with no where the impact force of the .50 even at the distance here.

https://us.worldweatheronline.com/erbil-weather/arbil/iq.aspx

Current visibility in erbil is 8km

Vhttps://weather.com/weather/today/l/Baghdad+Iraq+IZXX0008:1:IZ

Baghdad is 6 miles.

You also say the shot isn't impossible but you say it hasn't happened in identical settings. Know what? I''ve made shots of 1 km with a .338 lapua and hit on a consistent basis. 1 km is nothing compared to the range of any of these shots and there no such thing as identical conditions which you couldn't possibly know. Conditions change between pulls of the trigger and anyone who's done long distance shooting can tell you that.

It hasn't happened before? If it had we would have known it. This is a combination of mechanical perfection, extraordinory ability, perfect conditions and an element of luck, and the latter does not take away from any other element. The perfect shot.

You missed on all points, a knowledge of ballistics, conditions, weapons, pretty much everything you used to say this is a fraud. Normally that would be just unfortunate ignorance but you tried it with NK, selling their military as some sophisticated force. This is a habit of yours and maybe you want to pick something else.

The rest of your bloviating isn't worth addressing, lol. Thanks for playing!
 

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I don't know whether this is legit or not, but FIVR has a point. The current record for a mile run is I think about 3:40. If someone purportedly ran it in 2:30 I think people would be skeptical. How do we see one at that much longer of a range than the previous record without ever seeing any in between? There must have been tremendous luck here, not least of which was the target not moving during the 10 second travel time.