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Canadian Election 2011

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I'm ok with Layton's corporate tax increases. I think tax increases on individuals would be better (or just the ultra rich, but no party is going to do that), but increased corporate taxes is better than simply not balancing the budget, which is exactly what the conservatives are doing.

Even with Layton's increases, Canadian corporate tax will be well below US corporate tax, so we'll keep our competitive edge. Layton is also proposing a tax break for every new employee businesses hire to counter the effect of the increase.

The Canadian economy is doing well and there is no excuse not to balance the budget.

That misses the point. Yes, the corporate tax rate will go up to 19.5%, which everyone agrees is no big deal. But how about the payroll tax increases? The cap-and-trade system that will affect corporations? Portraying this as the NDP trying to bring the country's financial house in order is wildly inaccurate - they're after these increases so they can spend even more.
 
Companies pay more to operate in Canada to start so we need an edge. They may get a break on corporate taxes but they pay more in energy to run plants, union wages local mil rate taxation. Its never as simple as one tax however they do get a huge break in health care costs and not having to factor that in. Used to be the low cost of the CDN $ was a big edge now its hurting our export potential to the US big time.

http://www.cbc.ca/fp/story/2011/04/29/4698510.html
 
That misses the point. Yes, the corporate tax rate will go up to 19.5%, which everyone agrees is no big deal. But how about the payroll tax increases? The cap-and-trade system that will affect corporations? Portraying this as the NDP trying to bring the country's financial house in order is wildly inaccurate - they're after these increases so they can spend even more.

If the NDP are in power for starters Harper's $30bil F-35 deal won't happen. Whether we need those jets is a whole other argument, but overall NDP won't spend any more than the cons.
 
If the NDP are in power for starters Harper's $30bil F-35 deal won't happen. Whether we need those jets is a whole other argument, but overall NDP won't spend any more than the cons.

The F/A-18s Canada currently deploys reach the end of their lifespan in 2020. A replacement is necessary, unless the position is that Canada simply does not need an air force - which to me, considering the size of our nation, is lunacy.

But let's say that we simply cancel the purchase and air defence is not a concern. The $30 billion would pay for the first two years of the NDP's spending plans. How about the $40 billion for the next two years after that? Aside from government spending, how about the effect of the prices increases that will come from the cap-and-trade system? And paying an extra $0.10/litre at the pump under the NDP's plan?

As far as I've seen to date, the NDP's proposals are the most fiscally irresponsible of the three. If you're saying otherwise, I'd like to see the evidence.

Vancouver Sun - Have a beer with Jack but keep him away from the economy

The NDP platform is an orgy of spending promises funded by phantom revenues. The word "deficit" does not appear in the platform, except in relation to an "education deficit" that the NDP says it will address with $1 billion a year over four years. There is no concrete plan to deal with the real budget deficit of $28.3 billion.

But there is money for every outstretched hand: $4 billion in tax cuts for small business, $3.6 billion for a caregivers' tax benefit, $3.2 billion in provincial transfers to lower university tuition, $800 million more in funding for the Canada Student Grants Program and $4 billion for an aboriginal education fund.

The NDP would compensate Quebec with $2.2 billion for harmonizing its sales tax with the federal goods and services tax, something the province did in 1995. And it would not seek repayment of the $1.6 billion paid to British Columbia as an incentive to harmonize the taxes if the HST is rejected in a provincial referendum. Total: $3.8 billion for nothing.

Foreign aid would be raised to 0.7 per cent of gross domestic product at a cost of $2 billion. The guaranteed income supplement would get a boost of $1.6 billion, and more than $5 billion is earmarked for seniors through home care, long-term care and aids to independence.

The platform calls for the hiring of 2,500 new police officers, but the $480 million set aside for it won't cover the training, salaries and materials needed to equip such a force. It also promises to hire 200 new food inspectors for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency at $75 million a year over four years.

There are billions of dollars more for farmers, parents and veterans, broadband users, museums, volunteer firefighters, and so on. Training of 1,200 new doctors over the next decade and increasing training spaces for 6,000 nurses over six years is not costed out in the platform Then, there's the green agenda -a four-year total of $21.5 billion to provide funding for "clean" energy production, public transit, energy retrofits and a Green Bond Fund, among other more amorphous initiatives.

The NDP says it will pay for all this -and produce a surplus -through cap-and-trade revenues. But there is no cap-and-trade regime in place, and it would take years to develop one. Because a cap-and-trade system depends on economies of scale -there needs to be a critical mass of buyers and sellers of emissions credits -Canada needs the United States to join in, and that's an unlikely scenario as long as there are Republicans in Congress.

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The NDP believes it can recover $5.9 billion in the first year, $8.6 billion in the second, $9.3 billion in the third and $9.9 billion in the fourth by raising the corporate tax rate to 19.5 per cent. Of course, this must assume that corporations subjected to the tax increase would take no action to mitigate its impact.

To its credit, the NDP recognizes that corporate tax rates have to be competitive and vows to keep the combined federal/provincial rate below the federal rate in the U.S. But Canada competes globally and many countries in Europe and Asia have lowered their rates below Canada's.

It also expects to generate $2 billion by eliminating what the NDP calls "subsidies" to the oil and gas industry, and another $1 billion a year by cracking down on tax havens.

Along with the financial penalties the NDP would impose, business in Canada would be subject to a host of administrative interventions such as limiting credit card interest rates, putting pensioners ahead of bondholders and shareholders in a bankruptcy, prohibiting usage-based billing of broadband, introducing a federal minimum wage, and lowering the threshold for foreign investments in Canada that are subject to review.
 
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What a joke. The media bias in Canada is enormous. First 680 news didn't report on the scandal involving Harper, and now CBC news is not reporting on this incident with Layton.

I don't think Layton did anything wrong in this case, and really I don't think that the stuff that happened involving the Conservatives was worth bringing down the government over. These guys will do anything to make the opposition look bad.

I'm really disappointed as a Canadian that all three of our major parties have platforms that are going to be bad for us. The NDP will spend too much, and the Liberals and Conservatives are not going to balance the books.

I might vote Green again as a bit of a protest vote. I would vote for a true conservative if I could, but I can't. I'm surprised to see Rob Ford endorse Harper in light of all the "gravy" in the Conservative budgets.
 
Cons have moved left and govern as Liberals because they are always in minority and have to compromise. They won't ever get a majority w Harper as PM though as he's just not likeable enough to swing votes. FWIW I'm a social progresive and fiscal conservative which actually describes the bulk of Canadians.
IMO leadership of the CP is too socially conservative
 
What a joke. The media bias in Canada is enormous. First 680 news didn't report on the scandal involving Harper, and now CBC news is not reporting on this incident with Layton.

I don't think Layton did anything wrong in this case, and really I don't think that the stuff that happened involving the Conservatives was worth bringing down the government over. These guys will do anything to make the opposition look bad.

I'm really disappointed as a Canadian that all three of our major parties have platforms that are going to be bad for us. The NDP will spend too much, and the Liberals and Conservatives are not going to balance the books.

I might vote Green again as a bit of a protest vote. I would vote for a true conservative if I could, but I can't. I'm surprised to see Rob Ford endorse Harper in light of all the "gravy" in the Conservative budgets.

I didn't know about the Layton "scandal" until I looked at page 10 or something of the Star today. Not really caring about it though.

Ford's a puppet and full of shit. I'm getting so sick of hearing "Doug Ford says his brother, the mayor, says...". Dumb poor people (looking at you Finch area residents who lost the LRT, which he said he would cancel in his platform) brought him to power because they liked his slogan. He's your typical de-tax and spend "conservative" who will run the city into debt and make the next mayor fix his screw ups.
 
What a joke. The media bias in Canada is enormous. First 680 news didn't report on the scandal involving Harper, and now CBC news is not reporting on this incident with Layton.

I don't think Layton did anything wrong in this case, and really I don't think that the stuff that happened involving the Conservatives was worth bringing down the government over. These guys will do anything to make the opposition look bad.

I'm really disappointed as a Canadian that all three of our major parties have platforms that are going to be bad for us. The NDP will spend too much, and the Liberals and Conservatives are not going to balance the books.

I might vote Green again as a bit of a protest vote. I would vote for a true conservative if I could, but I can't. I'm surprised to see Rob Ford endorse Harper in light of all the "gravy" in the Conservative budgets.

There's nothing to report about Layton. The only thing worth reporting is Sun Media's BS "coverage" of it.
 
There's nothing to report about Layton. The only thing worth reporting is Sun Media's BS "coverage" of it.

I don't think it should influence voters in any way - I'm of the view that such things shouldn't be illegal to start with - but it does seem to be a legitimate and truthful news story. From Warren Kinsella's blog:

A Sun reporter called me about this story yesterday afternoon. Before he could even describe what it was about – he said it involved “a major political figure and the police” – I told him I already knew what it was about. In Toronto, and amongst many political people, this story has been pretty well-known for years. Someone came to me about it two years ago. I looked at what they had, thought about it for about sixty seconds, and then urged this person to forget all about it. I certainly planned to. If the story ever saw the light of day, I told this person, it would hurt the source more than it would hurt the target.

I still think that. If people within a political party were ultimately behind this – and there are four political parties which would have a direct interest in getting this story out – they’d better hope to God they don’t get found out before Monday night. Right now, there isn’t a voter in Canada who doesn’t think a political party was wrapped up in this somehow. Does that hurt Jack Layton? Not with most voters. Ask that Hugh Grant actor guy, he knows.

And from Jonathan Kay at the National Post, another Toronto journalist:

For those who care, someone tried to shop me the Layton-massage story 2 yrs ago (without docs). It was a Liberal fixer.
 
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oh shit, why didn't I hear more about this?

Harper's price for F35 DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINE!

http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/17/engines-not-included-in-f-35-purchase-documents-show/


Engines not included in F-35 purchase, Defence department documents show

Posted on Sun, Apr 17, 2011, 10:31 am by [URL="http://ipolitics.ca/author/david-pugliese-2/"]David Pugliese, Postmedia News [/URL]
The multi-million dollar F-35 stealth fighter that the Conservatives want to purchase comes with all the accoutrements of a high-tech aircraft — everything, that is, except an engine.
The government will be required to provide engines for the 65 planes to be delivered by U.S. manufacturer Lockheed Martin, according to newly released Defence department documents.
The proposed F-35 purchase, estimated to cost between $14 billion and $29 billion depending on what figures are used, has been controversial. Opposition parties are calling for a review or cancellation of the program, while the Tories have made it a key part of their defence policy.
The DND documents, which outline answers to questions about the F-35, also note that the stealth fighter could be used in a secondary role for search-and-rescue.
The records, obtained through the Access to Information law by peace activist Tamara Lorincz, are from a series of meetings last fall when defence bureaucrats and military officers toured the country to promote the F-35 deal.
“Engines are provided as gov’t furnished equipment,” noted the documents.
The term “government furnished equipment” signifies that the engines are being provided separately by Canada.
It is unclear how much extra the engines will cost or whether there would be additional costs for installing the power plants into the fighters.
In an e-mail late Friday, DND stated that Canada is purchasing the least costly variant of the F-35.
But DND did not provide an explanation about why the government is required to provide the engines.
It also did not provide any details on the price tag of the engines or the cost to install them.
But the e-mail suggested the cost of the engines is included in the overall price.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has labelled the F-35 as a good deal for Canada and notes that the aircraft will cost around $75 million per plane.
The Conservatives say the entire purchase will cost around $14 billion but a report from Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page puts the number at $29 billion.
The Government Accountability Office, the U.S government’s equivalent of the auditor general, has also warned about serious ongoing problems with the aircraft and rising costs. Mike Sullivan, a senior official with the Government Accountability Office, estimates that the F-35 model that Canada is buying will cost between $110 to $115 million.
U.S. defence specialist Winslow Wheeler, who has also raised concerns about the F-35, has warned that the extra cost of an engine could boost the price of an aircraft for Canada to around $148 million.
“If Canada’s government can get an F-35 for the mid-70 million dollars per airplane, well they should sign a contract right now and get it delivered,” said Wheeler, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information in Washington. “Because I can promise you nobody on this earth will ever get a flying F-35 for $75 million per copy. It’s pure fantasy.”
But former chief of the defence staff, retired Gen. Paul Manson, a strong supporter of the F-35 and a former chairman of Lockheed Martin Canada, has challenged Wheeler’s viewpoints in a letter to the Citizen. According to Manson, the F-35 project is progressing well and the plane is the right one for Canada. He said Wheeler lacks credibility because he is associated with a “left-wing” organization in Washington.
Wheeler, who was asked to testify last year before a Commons committee, has spent the last 30 years working on defence issues for Republican and Democratic politicians. He was an analyst for nine years with the Government Accountability Office, working on studies concerning defence procurement and military aircraft.
The DND records highlight the F-35’s capabilities, pointing out that it will be easy to fly and the purchase will provide contracts for Canadian aerospace companies.
During the tour, the issue of whether the F-35 could contribute to search and rescue (SAR) missions also came up. “Fighter aircraft (are) not a primary SAR asset, but can play a secondary role — and would,” the documents state.
But Steve Staples, a vocal critic of the F-35 purchase, calls that claim ludicrous.
He said the billions of dollars earmarked for the fighter jets have helped delay other more important projects such as the air force’s much-delayed plan to buy fixed wing search and rescue planes.
“The concern here is that the F-35 eats everybody’s else’s lunch and there will be no money left,” said Staples, president of the Rideau Institute. “The search and rescue aircraft are a casualty, so instead we’ll get some supersonic stealth fighter trying to find hikers lost in the woods.”
According to the DND presentations from the documents, the first F-35 will be delivered to Canada in 2016. The final delivery will take place in 2022.
 
I don't think it should influence voters in any way - I'm of the view that such things shouldn't be illegal to start with - but it does seem to be a legitimate and truthful news story. From Warren Kinsella's blog:



And from Jonathan Kay at the National Post, another Toronto journalist:

From the comments on Kinsella's blog:

He rode his bike to a place 7 minutes from his house to a place on Dundas West. This is a busy street, not the type of place a public figure would go for a rub and tug. "“To have arrested him and charged him would have served our egos a lot more. Layton was a thorn in the side of the police, siding with the anti-poverty movement in ’96 or ’97 … Jack was anti-police,” the ex-cop said." - It just doesn't come across like a rub and tug story to me.
 
oh shit, why didn't I hear more about this?

Harper's price for F35 DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINE!

http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/17/engines-not-included-in-f-35-purchase-documents-show/


Engines not included in F-35 purchase, Defence department documents show

Awesome. If we hook up those $75 million to a generator, they'll make great turrets that blow away in the wind.

Ugh... Realized a few days ago that I'd have to go in early to work and leave early if I wanted to avoid the lines at the polling station. If I got off at my usual 5:30pm, I'd join the post-work rush.
 
Today will mark the Liberal march into irrelevancy. The right leaning Libs have moved to the Conservatives, the left leaning Libs have moved to the NDP. Mark my words, the Libs are going to be KILLED in this election.

It will be interesting to debate if they will exist as a political party in 10, 25 and 50 years, because right now with three dud leaders in a row, it doesn't look like they will. There needs to be a new moderate party with a youthful attitude, because the Libs can't cut it right now.
 
Today will mark the Liberal march into irrelevancy. The right leaning Libs have moved to the Conservatives, the left leaning Libs have moved to the NDP. Mark my words, the Libs are going to be KILLED in this election.

It will be interesting to debate if they will exist as a political party in 10, 25 and 50 years, because right now with three dud leaders in a row, it doesn't look like they will. There needs to be a new moderate party with a youthful attitude, because the Libs can't cut it right now.

Parties rebound. I remember the NDP getting less than 10 seats in 1993 and look where they are now.
 
This election may just hasten what has been proposed by Jean Chrétien and Ed Broadbent, a fusion of the Liberal Party with the NDP into a new centre-left party. 🙂
 
Today will mark the Liberal march into irrelevancy. The right leaning Libs have moved to the Conservatives, the left leaning Libs have moved to the NDP. Mark my words, the Libs are going to be KILLED in this election.

It will be interesting to debate if they will exist as a political party in 10, 25 and 50 years, because right now with three dud leaders in a row, it doesn't look like they will. There needs to be a new moderate party with a youthful attitude, because the Libs can't cut it right now.

They have to some some time in the wilderness. It's rebuilding time. However I don't see the polarisation you are foreseeing.
 
Voted at 7:30
I too wondered what impact Bin Ladens death could transpire.
My wife didn't see it until I pointed out our mission in Afghanistan and military involvement. Harper received last minute air time others wouldn't get and slid in why our mission is important despite the lefts potestations.

Could mean something and in an election where .5% could make or break majority. . .
 
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