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Canada won't fund bush's missile shield scam (but will take Americans avoiding Iraq) Now with Poll!

Steeplerot

Steeplerot

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Canada won't fund missile shield: PM

December 15, 2004
Windsor Star

Prime Minister Paul Martin said Tuesday he does not believe the U.S. ballistic missile shield will succeed in shooting down incoming rockets, as he threw up new roadblocks to counter President George W. Bush's strong appeal for Canada to join his continental defence plan.

Canada will not put any money into building the missile shield and it will not allow Washington to station rockets on Canadian soil as the price of participation in the multibillion-dollar program, Martin told Global National in a year-end interview.

In another issue that could cause friction with Bush, Martin said Canada was prepared to accept U.S. citizens who do not want to serve in the war in Iraq.

"In terms of immigration, we are a country of immigrants and we will take immigrants from around the world. I'm not going to discriminate," said Martin, when reminded that former prime minister Pierre Trudeau opened Canada's doors to draft dodgers and deserters during the Vietnam War.

http://www.canada.com/fortstjo...4f32-ae17-32da81fb4a02





I would love to have seen Bushies's face when he heard this news! I have a mental picture of him stomping about and having a childish fit. He doesn't take opposition well and it seems he is getting more and more of it from other countries these days.

I am so proud of Canada and Prime Minister Paul Martin. My heartfelt congratulations go out to you for being able to slap this administration in the face twice in one speech.


If the draft comes it's nice to know we have a safe friendly neighbor.

Ya know what else they say? "A Canadian is just an unarmed American with health insurance and an affordable college education... 😛
 
I can't say I'm a big fan of NMD either. I may not be hearing the full story, but it seems like the project hasn't really delivered the kind of results you want to see for the dollar amount it's going to cost. It seems to make sense to opt out of this one. Maybe if a credible threat armed with ICBMs gathers in the future...not now.
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If the draft comes it's nice to know we have a safe friendly neighbor.
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There won't be a draft, and you have to be one helluva buffoon to think there would be. Nothing meant personally because I'm pretty sure you were tongue-in-cheek there.

If in some crazy situation there was a draft, you can bet your asses that we'd be stopping your whiny butts at the border and kicking it back in the direction in which it came. Quit exporting your nancyboys. 😛
 
c'mon man how could there not be? In reality, how? We might as well pack it up and declare a loss if not.
Tell me, is bush is working on cloning stormtrooper troops in secret or something?
Iran? How are we going to secure that? Much less win against a huge military, mountainious terrain in their own country? What are we going to do when bush invades Iran next?
If you want my opinion no draft and us invading Iran would be a major defeat for america, watch iran push us back to the gulf conquering iraq on top of it. Those troops are tired and need to go home. That's reality and with more and more dying every day. I think your buying into another WMD lie here.
 
Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: charrison
There will be no draft.....
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Have fun in Iran. No, that's not a typo.
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There won't be a draft...

And, where's the option for I'm staying right here in America and if I get drafted I'll go?
 
Are there any Internet escrow services where we can place a bet on whether or not a draft will come by the end of Bush's mandate? I put $100 USD on it won't.
 
The second answer ntdz would be it.

yllus,ntdz,charrison how do you guys, using your common sense think there will not be?

Are you planning on leaving our soldiers out there for 4+ most likley 10-15 years after all they have been through? disgusting. If you all are really swallowing that line then conservatives are just as braindead and out of touch as all the jokes point out.
You people should be banned from using a flag as your icon. -very dissapointed :|
 
who exactly would that stuff be defending us from? I mean there are no totalitarian regimes that have ICBMs at this point, so what the hell is the point?
 
Draft will not happen if things stay as is.

What will happen is they will drain the morale and sap the stregth of the military to a degree seen only during Vietnam.

A LOT of people will leave the forces as soon as they can, if they are allowed.

A draft can and will happen if Iran is invaded or North Korea (not a snowballs chance in Hell since they got the nuke).

If Iran gets the nuke they won't be invaded either unless there's a 100% probability of success in taking the nuke/nukes out. That's not gona happen.

Syria, Saudi Arabia... nah these nations are stll providing support to Bush in some respects.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Canada won't fund missile shield: PM

December 15, 2004
Windsor Star

Prime Minister Paul Martin said Tuesday he does not believe the U.S. ballistic missile shield will succeed in shooting down incoming rockets, as he threw up new roadblocks to counter President George W. Bush's strong appeal for Canada to join his continental defence plan.

Canada will not put any money into building the missile shield and it will not allow Washington to station rockets on Canadian soil as the price of participation in the multibillion-dollar program, Martin told Global National in a year-end interview.

In another issue that could cause friction with Bush, Martin said Canada was prepared to accept U.S. citizens who do not want to serve in the war in Iraq.

"In terms of immigration, we are a country of immigrants and we will take immigrants from around the world. I'm not going to discriminate," said Martin, when reminded that former prime minister Pierre Trudeau opened Canada's doors to draft dodgers and deserters during the Vietnam War.

http://www.canada.com/fortstjo...4f32-ae17-32da81fb4a02





I would love to have seen Bushies's face when he heard this news! I have a mental picture of him stomping about and having a childish fit. He doesn't take opposition well and it seems he is getting more and more of it from other countries these days.

I am so proud of Canada and Prime Minister Paul Martin. My heartfelt congratulations go out to you for being able to slap this administration in the face twice in one speech.


If the draft comes it's nice to know we have a safe friendly neighbor.

Ya know what else they say? "A Canadian is just an unarmed American with health insurance and an affordable college education... 😛
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I appreciate your pride in Canada, but I hope that it's not misplaced.

We are not denying the NMD simply to aid world peace, or simply because we are good people, or simply to stick it to your current administration. Those issues may play a part in the decision, sure 😛, but theres more to it than that.

We cannot afford to spend any part of our military budget on anything that isn't immediately important to our military. We are having trouble even keeping our troops equipped with new equipment and technology, and this issue is of much higher priority than the NMD.

Our decision to abstain from the NMD is also partly self-interest. What are the chances that someone will try to nuke Canada? There are many higher priority targets for terrorists and rogue states, namely nations with power: GB, Russia, the US...

If we aren't paying for the construction of the NMD sites or paying the Canadian military to upkeep the systems, the US is controlling those NMD sites on Canadian soil. As close as we are with the States, sovereignty is a big issue up here. The government would never allow (large amounts ) American troops to be stationed on Canadian soil.

The only reason for us to take part in the missile shield would be for your benefit, and it would cost us cash and sovereignty. As a selfish nation, the choice is clear.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot

I am so proud of Canada and Prime Minister Paul Martin. My heartfelt congratulations go out to you for being able to slap this administration in the face twice in one speech.

Ya know what else they say? "A Canadian is just an unarmed American with health insurance and an affordable college education... 😛
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Oh yeah, I wouldn't call it a slap in the face of your administration 😛. We just have some disagreements is all.

EDIT: I sound so bloody pretentious in these two posts 🙂 Most Canadians are more down-to-earth, are more likely to believe the positive side of things, and have better social skills 😉

It's just that I've been studying calculus all day >.<
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The second answer ntdz would be it.

yllus,ntdz,charrison how do you guys, using your common sense think there will not be?

Are you planning on leaving our soldiers out there for 4+ most likley 10-15 years after all they have been through? disgusting. If you all are really swallowing that line then conservatives are just as braindead and out of touch as all the jokes point out.
You people should be banned from using a flag as your icon. -very dissapointed :|
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History tells me that we had an all volunteer army that was 2x the size of our current military in the 1980s. I dont think a draft is going to be needed. I mean none of you lefties accused kerry of wanting to use the draft to geting the army larger by 40,000.
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Dunno figures he's say that after he got denied. heh
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The US has been and will continue to pay for her own defense and pick up the tab for Canada as well.
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That tab for Canadian defense is specious. We protect Canada the same way we would protect Mexico or the open ocean to our east and west. If something is headed our way and we could stop it, we will not wait to see if it's directed at Montreal or DC. That Canada happens to be next to the US is just geography.

It's our obsession, so we ought to foot the bill.

Further, Canada would be insane to take these. It means that if someone wants to attack the US, these sites would be a prime target.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The second answer ntdz would be it.

yllus,ntdz,charrison how do you guys, using your common sense think there will not be?

Are you planning on leaving our soldiers out there for 4+ most likley 10-15 years after all they have been through? disgusting. If you all are really swallowing that line then conservatives are just as braindead and out of touch as all the jokes point out.
You people should be banned from using a flag as your icon. -very dissapointed :|
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History tells me that we had an all volunteer army that was 2x the size of our current military in the 1980s. I dont think a draft is going to be needed. I mean none of you lefties accused kerry of wanting to use the draft to geting the army larger by 40,000.
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The draft was needed in VN. It would not have been possible otherwise. If Iran attacks us, people will be signing up. If we start attacking Iran like we did Iraq, people will not. Since we will be tied up in Iraq for quite some time (Afghanistan too) I dont see that happening. If we did pull another Iraq the draft is a real possibility. To say a draft won't happen is as speculative as saying one is around the corner. We cannot predict the future.
 
What can canada provide to the program? But dont worry when a nation like China, Russia, N Korea or hell even iran lobs a few this way, we will protect you as always.

I doubt Bush gave two shats about Canadas unwillingness to help fund this program. And the people who are leaving are better off in Canada and we are better off in the US without them. Have fun, soon enough they will be pissing and moaning about their new home.

 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: charrison
There will be no draft.....
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Have fun in Iran. No, that's not a typo.
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There won't be a draft...
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For once, ntdz and charrison are right. There will never be a draft. Want to know why? Because in this day and age of equality between genders, they would have to draft women as well. Many religious folk would never stand for this, and thus, Bush's support would erode.
 
The draft was needed in VN. It would not have been possible otherwise. If Iran attacks us, people will be signing up. If we start attacking Iran like we did Iraq, people will not. Since we will be tied up in Iraq for quite some time (Afghanistan too) I dont see that happening. If we did pull another Iraq the draft is a real possibility. To say a draft won't happen is as speculative as saying one is around the corner. We cannot predict the future.
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Vietnam saw troop levels multiples of what we have now and for far longer. We had a draft in WWII, what is your point?

 
Iraq could be worse than vietnam. Not in terms of US deaths, but getting out since there is no one to negotiate a cease fire with, and no authority (able to keep the peace) to turn the country over to.
 
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