Like I said before, Canada is not policing the world; that's the U.S. We simply don't need a huge modern military. Think of Canada as the world's security guard. We're just sitting there reading the newspaper eating a sandwich, while our American neighbors spend billions of money into tanks, ships and aircraft. Call us when you need us...... We'll be happy to offer moral support. Just don't ask us to commit anything larger than a canoe or two.
Having no real military budget/power is the main benefit to being next to a large friendly country with a huge military that has no desire to invade (especially now that John Candy is dead
).Originally posted by: MemnochtheDevil
Having no real military budget/power is the main benefit to being next to a large friendly country with a huge military that has no desire to invade (especially now that John Candy is dead
Exactly, we can spend the billions of dollars we *didn't* spend on military on economic growth, which allows us to have good jobs, a safe neighborhood to raise our children, and we can sleep at night without worrying about someone trying to kill us.
JudasPriest, I keep chuckling about your reply. But you know the more I think about it...You'se guys don't need to strike, you just need to ask. I mean really, what're we going to do. Say no....and then what?
I may not agree with the American point of view all the time, but I do know why we have our current peace and standard of living. Yeah, it's largely due to the military that we don't have to spend $ on. And having the biggest gosh darn consumer and distributor right next door. I'm grateful. Sometimes embarrassed, but grateful.
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You can look on the official Canadian military site to see that they have some tanks they picked up a damn long time ago.
The Canadian military's equipment is a f**king joke, thanks in great part to the Liberals. I have to say it's selfishness on the part of many canadians knowing that as long as they have a rifle or two to throw into any conflict to say they played a part they don't need a real capable military because the US's massive one would step to the plate if Canada's security was actually threatened.
Among the western nations Canada is damn near the very bottom for its percentage of GDP spending that goes into the military.
I don't mean to be the devil's advocate, but Canada has no excuse for spending so little on their military. It's an insult to those they serve and stands as a continual joke against Canada. The money isn't being better spent by the Liberals. Just because they save a couple billion here doesn't mean they're using it properly there - unless you consider kissing the ass of the natives over treaties signed 200 years ago good fiscal policy.
The Canadian military's equipment is a f**king joke, thanks in great part to the Liberals. I have to say it's selfishness on the part of many canadians knowing that as long as they have a rifle or two to throw into any conflict to say they played a part they don't need a real capable military because the US's massive one would step to the plate if Canada's security was actually threatened.
It's true and without the US Canada would not have the same social programs it has now because it would HAVE to spend more on a military.
Among the western nations Canada is damn near the very bottom for its percentage of GDP spending that goes into the military.
Well the US still has a better economy than Canada - a per capita better economy I might add. And in terms of sleeping safe at night tell that to the many victims of home invasions that have plaqued Halifax in recent times.
I don't mean to be the devil's advocate, but Canada has no excuse for spending so little on their military. It's an insult to those they serve and stands as a continual joke against Canada. The money isn't being better spent by the Liberals. Just because they save a couple billion here doesn't mean they're using it properly there - unless you consider kissing the ass of the natives over treaties signed 200 years ago good fiscal policy.
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Sad isn't it? Ignore the bully when he's beating on a stranger and he may beat on you next and it's too late. Countries ignore the rest of the world at their own peril. Not saying the US doesn't overstep its bounds but the Canadian political sense, I think, is really in a rut.
Well the US still has a better economy than Canada - a per capita better economy I might add. [/quote]
*cough* debt ratio *cough*
I agree, it's sad. But Canadian history shows this to be the norm. Look the other way, don't make eye contact, and the problem will surely disappear.
... or reappear somewhere else for somebody else do deal with it.
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We question the motivation behind a US attack on Iraq. As you know, as a Canadian, we have stepped in front of many bullies, but its hard to tell which is the bully in this case.
no one joins the military in canada, cause they know what POS equipment and support from the government they get. Compared with all the training and up to date equipment even basic US infantrymen get, they might as well give them a wife-beater, stained cut off jeans and a less-than pointy stick. canada needs to make a serious fiscal commitment to its uniformed services to get the recruits, imo
Originally posted by: MemnochtheDevil
Having no real military budget/power is the main benefit to being next to a large friendly country with a huge military that has no desire to invade (especially now that John Candy is dead
Yeah, but we may need a preemptory strike to take custody of Shania and Avril and make sure they keep Celine on their side.
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It's sad really. This has and will always be the Canadian 'military doctrine'.
Before World War I, we had nothing. Then a crisis, we panic and whip together guys at massive expense, and get there (for the most part) a year late.
Before World War II, we had nothing. Then a crisis, we panic and whip together guys at a massive expensive, and get there (for the most part) a year late. (Most of it took longer this time)
It is a matter of time before they officially downgrade the Canadian Military from a real military, to a militia force. Crisis happens, but big conflicts don't last years anymore (Other than terrorist or guerrila activities). We don't have a year to panic and get our sh!t together. If we're going to do anything in the global military scene, they need money now.
With the budget not going up significantly anytime soon, we can expect a useless Canadian Military very soon. Not even 9/11 could get those liberal fvcks to fix something.
As for you people who don't think we need an army because of the US, that's not right. We need to pull at least half of our own weight. All we are is a giant mooch on everyone else's militaries. Sh!t happens to us? Oh, everyone else will be there to fix it for us, at their expense. Would we at least pay their expenses to save our asses (In some hypothetical situation)? Not fvcking likely.
A few facts on the Canadian Military
- In theory, there are about 120 Leopard C1E's in our tank arsenal. This is a relatively lightly armored tank, designed by Germany in the 60's (perhaps even late 50's). They were upgraded a bit in the 90's I believe, but still do not meet modern standards.
- In theory, there are about 120 CF-18 Hornets. How many have been scrapped due to mechanical problems/lack of pilots etc. I don't know. My father works at the Edmonton International Airport and is a war buff himself. He tells me that on a 'good' day there will only be about 20 functional ready-to-fly (Not ready to scramble...ready to fly on a few hours notice) CF 18's.
- Our training is still good, make no mistake. Our equipment just is not anywhere near modern standards.
- The grunts use modified M16A1's I believe.
- The few elite guys we have (The Snipers, JTF-2 etc.) are extremely well funded. They are definitely up with US standards - on technology and training. Other than that...
As Skoorb said, a huge amount of money is WASTED in this country by pouring it into kissing minorities asses. Now don't think I'm racist, I'm raising a good point here. A Native living on the reserve will recieve something between $15000-$20000 just to turn 18! Free housing on the reserve, free everything. Tremendous tax breaks. Its a giant waste of money welfare program. But politicians are too afraid to make any changes (or too corrupt to care) because that'd be politically incorrrect.
Spent 20 minutes or so on this reply, hope I get some more replies! I tend to kill threads.
Before World War I, we had nothing. Then a crisis, we panic and whip together guys at massive expense, and get there (for the most part) a year late.
Before World War II, we had nothing. Then a crisis, we panic and whip together guys at a massive expensive, and get there (for the most part) a year late. (Most of it took longer this time)
It is a matter of time before they officially downgrade the Canadian Military from a real military, to a militia force. Crisis happens, but big conflicts don't last years anymore (Other than terrorist or guerrila activities). We don't have a year to panic and get our sh!t together. If we're going to do anything in the global military scene, they need money now.
With the budget not going up significantly anytime soon, we can expect a useless Canadian Military very soon. Not even 9/11 could get those liberal fvcks to fix something.
As for you people who don't think we need an army because of the US, that's not right. We need to pull at least half of our own weight. All we are is a giant mooch on everyone else's militaries. Sh!t happens to us? Oh, everyone else will be there to fix it for us, at their expense. Would we at least pay their expenses to save our asses (In some hypothetical situation)? Not fvcking likely.
A few facts on the Canadian Military
- In theory, there are about 120 Leopard C1E's in our tank arsenal. This is a relatively lightly armored tank, designed by Germany in the 60's (perhaps even late 50's). They were upgraded a bit in the 90's I believe, but still do not meet modern standards.
- In theory, there are about 120 CF-18 Hornets. How many have been scrapped due to mechanical problems/lack of pilots etc. I don't know. My father works at the Edmonton International Airport and is a war buff himself. He tells me that on a 'good' day there will only be about 20 functional ready-to-fly (Not ready to scramble...ready to fly on a few hours notice) CF 18's.
- Our training is still good, make no mistake. Our equipment just is not anywhere near modern standards.
- The grunts use modified M16A1's I believe.
- The few elite guys we have (The Snipers, JTF-2 etc.) are extremely well funded. They are definitely up with US standards - on technology and training. Other than that...
As Skoorb said, a huge amount of money is WASTED in this country by pouring it into kissing minorities asses. Now don't think I'm racist, I'm raising a good point here. A Native living on the reserve will recieve something between $15000-$20000 just to turn 18! Free housing on the reserve, free everything. Tremendous tax breaks. Its a giant waste of money welfare program. But politicians are too afraid to make any changes (or too corrupt to care) because that'd be politically incorrrect.
Spent 20 minutes or so on this reply, hope I get some more replies! I tend to kill threads.
LOL this is the funnyest thing ive read ever...but then when u think about it theres nothing great about canada for someone to take it over anyways...so i guess their pretty safe..lol
This pretty much describes the US as well. After 2 world wars, we just decided it was foolish to completely disassemble the military.
Scouzer
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Well this is true, but the US wanted to stay out of world affairs during this time period. Canada on the other hand was obligated to follow Britain in World War I. In World War II we were no longer officially obligated, but still felt obligated. Which means any major problem Britain got into, we did too. We should of had some preperation to follow through with our obligations.
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Well, almost. Today's Seattle Times has an editorial by Barry Cooper, a political science professor at the University of Calgary.
Maybe we do need to annex Canada for its own protection
Funny, we don't want you.
Dude quality hockey teams. Go to michigan man. RED WINGS! EVer notice like almost all of the all star team is like redwings. Lol
There is a lot of domestic pressures from the United States to contribute - no longer do we really have the role of peacekeepers. I agree that Canada must play their part in sustaining international stability and we need to stop pretending that we are furthering the Canadian cause by skimping on military spending....
however, I don't think we should be fighting wars thats deemed necessity by one of the only countries pushing the whole agenda.
Our military simply isn't strong enough to meet its NATO obligations, let alone play the role that the US wants us too. Out of -10k~ units, 50% or more are still in Kosovo, bosnia, afghanistan, etc. Of the 16 members of the NATO alliance, Canada ranks 12th on a per-capita basis in its defense expenditures. In comparison, the smaller country of Luxembourg ranks 10th.
Too many Americans think Canadians owe service, a contribution, a larger military budget. I think a big reason as to why we contribute so little to our military is because we're being told to. Our autonomy is a joke, so I don't find it overly surprising that Canadians flip em' the bird once and a while, hence the issues with US and NAFTA, marijuana decriminalization, etc... Canada is living under a US military umbrella - yes, but that is also the reason why we are virtually forced to support the US in its WOT.
however, I don't think we should be fighting wars thats deemed necessity by one of the only countries pushing the whole agenda.
Our military simply isn't strong enough to meet its NATO obligations, let alone play the role that the US wants us too. Out of -10k~ units, 50% or more are still in Kosovo, bosnia, afghanistan, etc. Of the 16 members of the NATO alliance, Canada ranks 12th on a per-capita basis in its defense expenditures. In comparison, the smaller country of Luxembourg ranks 10th.
Too many Americans think Canadians owe service, a contribution, a larger military budget. I think a big reason as to why we contribute so little to our military is because we're being told to. Our autonomy is a joke, so I don't find it overly surprising that Canadians flip em' the bird once and a while, hence the issues with US and NAFTA, marijuana decriminalization, etc... Canada is living under a US military umbrella - yes, but that is also the reason why we are virtually forced to support the US in its WOT.
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