Canada gets a little "Allah Akbar" - Sharia law may be coming soon to Ontario.

DucatiMonster696

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Slowly but surely this will make its way across our borders and start eroding at the fabric of our nation and western values. This is probably a test to see how close radical Muslims can push to get their laws on the North American continent established.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4215182.stm

Protests over Canada sharia move
By Lee Carter
BBC News, Toronto

Protests have been held in cities across Canada aimed at stopping Ontario province from adopting sharia-based law to settle Muslim family disputes.

Ontario is considering a report which recommends that it allow sharia religious arbitration for issues such as divorce and child custody.

Opponents say the proposed arbitration process will violate women's rights.

Approval would make Ontario the only Western jurisdiction to adopt a form of sharia arbitration.

The demonstration outside the Ontario legislature was the focal point for several protests across Canada.

Sharia-based laws would be similar to faith-based tribunals already permitted by the Canadian province for Catholics and Jews to use the principles of their faiths to settle family disputes.

The government insists that the process would only have its roots in sharia and that the equal rights of women would continue to be protected under Canadian law.

Interpretation

But the proposal has alarmed women's' and human rights groups.

They say sharia law does not view women as equal to men.

Homa Ar-Jomand, campaign protest co-ordinator, believes that the system should be completely secular.

"We strongly believe that Islam has never been moderated," she said, adding that faith-based arbitration of family disputes is not relevant in the modern world.

But many Muslims believe that because Canada is a secular country, its legal system makes it difficult for them to govern themselves by the laws of their religion.

It can be important, for instance, for a Muslim to be granted a divorce under Islamic law if he or she intends to move to a Islamic country and re-marry.

One of the major challenges for the Ontario government is that sharia law is subject to a great deal of interpretation.

There are virtually no existing formal standards in appointing someone to interpret Islamic law.
 

ShawnD1

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Sharia-based laws would be similar to faith-based tribunals already permitted by the Canadian province for Catholics and Jews to use the principles of their faiths to settle family disputes.
I'm allowed to sell my daughter into slavery if I officially state that I'm a Christian or Jew? I can kill my children because they are disobedient? (bible actually does state that)

Obviously I can't do either of those, so it's assumed that there are limitations. If those same limitations are put on sharia law, then what's the problem?



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How would sharia law even be used? It seems like death is the answer to everything. If your daughter gets raped in Saudi Arabia, she is the one who is stoned to death! Sharia is fucked up. Does the husband demand his ex-wife be killed under sharia then it gets thrown out because it goes against canada's laws?
 
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DucatiMonster696

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I'm allowed to sell my daughter into slavery if I officially state that I'm a Christian or Jew? I can kill my children because they are disobedient? (bible actually does state that)

Obviously I can't do either of those, so it's assumed that there are limitations. If those same limitations are put on sharia law, then what's the problem?

The problem is that when the foot is in the door the removal of those limitations would be the next step to happen. Unlike Christianity were people tend to pick and choose what they follow Islam is not so accommodating.
 

Fenixgoon

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no religious law should be use for legal settlements. and yes, i think they should abolish the catholic and jewish tribunals as well.
 

ShawnD1

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no religious law should be use for legal settlements. and yes, i think they should abolish the catholic and jewish tribunals as well.

This I can agree with. It's fair, it treats all religions the same. If people honestly believe in following Jewish tradition when doing whatever, then they can do that without the government getting involved.
 

jpeyton

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no religious law should be use for legal settlements. and yes, i think they should abolish the catholic and jewish tribunals as well.
Agreed. But since they currently allow it for the Christians and Jewish, they should allow it for Muslims as well. All or none.
 

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God damn it... Time to send some angry letters/emails.

While I would also like to get rid of any religious based tribunal, christianity/judaism has nothing on islam in terms of how fucked up it is. If we let them get a foothold in our legal system it won't stop with what's in the article, they'll want the whole deal and there will be blood spilled no matter which way it goes.
 

sandorski

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If they adopt it, it just grants Muslims the same Rights given to other Religious groups. Nothing to see here.
 

Throckmorton

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If you really can't stone your daughter, what is the point?

Religious courts have no place in a secular western republic. There is ONE law of the land.
 

sandorski

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If you really can't stone your daughter, what is the point?

Religious courts have no place in a secular western republic. There is ONE law of the land.

They are just for Family Matters, that's all. Generally speaking it's a Personal Choice issue and all parties involved prefer that avenue to settle disputes.
 

Throckmorton

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They are just for Family Matters, that's all. Generally speaking it's a Personal Choice issue and all parties involved prefer that avenue to settle disputes.

How much personal choice do you think a young Muslim female has on whether she goes to Sharia court?
 

spacejamz

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How much personal choice do you think a young Muslim female has on whether she goes to Sharia court?

I don't think he has a clue on what Sharia law entails...either that or he has no problems with women being treated as objects instead of people.
 

spacejamz

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I don't think you Think at all.

Remind us what happens to rape victims, even if they are 12 years old, where Sharia Law is enforced? Why do women wear burquas again?

Please do enlighten us with your wisdom....I look forward to it...
 

3chordcharlie

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Do you dislike monarchies generally or only European-based monarchies like that in Canada? (Honest question.)

It's kind of like he's trolling, but different.

It's more of a compulsive post-and-run that CoW throws into any thread that mentions Canada.

Actually, I'm somewhat convinced he has some sort of auto-post application that crawls ATPN, just to make sure he hits all the Canada threads.

Oh, and Sharia (and other religious tribunal systems) is/are bullshit, and don't belong here in Ontario.
 

3chordcharlie

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They are just for Family Matters, that's all. Generally speaking it's a Personal Choice issue and all parties involved prefer that avenue to settle disputes.

Dude, the only way a family dispute would be resolved 'fairly*' under 'religious principles' is if it were between two men. In which case both would be sentenced to death for being homosexuals.

*fairly - with no systemic bias benefiting one party or another.
 

sandorski

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Remind us what happens to rape victims, even if they are 12 years old, where Sharia Law is enforced? Why do women wear burquas again?

Please do enlighten us with your wisdom....I look forward to it...

These proposed Sharia Tribunals don't apply to Rape.
 

sandorski

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Dude, the only way a family dispute would be resolved 'fairly*' under 'religious principles' is if it were between two men. In which case both would be sentenced to death for being homosexuals.

*fairly - with no systemic bias benefiting one party or another.

This goes for pretty much any Religious Tribunal. People, both Women and Men, prefer to go to these Tribunals for purely Religious reasons. That's a pile of Fail in my opinion, but their Choice is their Choice.