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Canada Ends Gun Registry for Long Guns!

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Colt45 said:
Always thought the registry was a waste of time. Never registered my long gun.

That said, the dick in charge of taking this thing apart due to 'privacy issues' has just launched an internet bill that will allow warrantless monitoring. He came out and said anyone against the bill is obviously pro child porn. What the fuck? I thought you liked privacy?

Always has been a stupid wedge issue, very little will change.
As stupid as the registry was, I'd take it over having these morons in power, burning money and destroying privacy on a greater scale.
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I will point you to this article that explains what the Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act actually does.

http://www.lfpress.com/comment/columnists/lorrie_goldstein/2012/02/15/19385631.html
 
Squisher said:
I wonder if this changes any of the procedures you have to go through as a US citizen that wants to hunt in Canada and take your guns and ammo across the border with you?
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no, it won't. That would be a whole different set of laws.

The registry was just for law abiding Canadians to adhere to.
 
silverpig said:
Vic Toews is a tool.

The registry was cumbersome and expensive and it's probably better that it is gone, but apparently the RCMP use it all the time and have used it to solve gun crimes.

I'm not saying it's worth it, but Toews' information is incorrect, and that is the worrying part about this for me.
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Indeed. Wish the Libs would get their act together, the Cons annoy me so much.
 
bfdd said:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Seriously get that through your head. EVERYONE in Switzerland has to have a gun, EVERYONE is armed. Go look at their crime and murder rates. Using the argument "GUNS ARE DANGEROUS" is like using the argument "CARS ARE DANGEROUS" of course they are in the hands of an idiot or someone wishing to do harm. Why should everyone else be punished because of them? Stupid ass reasoning. People wonder where hate comes from, it comes from stupid shit like that. "no you can't do that because some other idiot killed himself" so? Let me kill myself then, pussy.
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They don't carry them around armed all the time though and you can't get a carry permit without a justified reason (like you work in security). In many ways their gun laws are more strict that of many states in the U.S.

And you can't compare crime rates of a country that is roughly twice the size of New Jersey to Canada or the U.S.
 
JulesMaximus said:
They don't carry them around armed all the time though and you can't get a carry permit without a justified reason (like you work in security). In many ways their gun laws are more strict that of many states in the U.S.

And you can't compare crime rates of a country that is roughly twice the size of New Jersey to Canada or the U.S.
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It does prove the point that guns are not the culprit though. The culprit is guns in the hands of those who will misuse them. The latter is largely solvable through adequate background checks and training, which is what should be the focus of gun legislation. Instead we have "bans" and "registries" and bureaucratic bullshit designed to prevent all people, good and bad from owning and carrying guns. Then politicians and gun grabbers pat themselves on the back while good people are criminalized, ostracized and subjected to moral witch-hunts, for doing nothing.

And given the ridiculously low crime rate among concealed carry permit holders, your point there is largely irrelevant. Yes their gun regulations are stricter than most states here, but then again everyone is armed, compared to 40% of households in the US. The key difference is that their entire population is military trained and knows how to handle the firearms. Were that the case over here, combined with a crackdown on illegal firearms gun deaths would drop steeply.
 
I'm not a gun owner but I do agree the registry was silly.

One of the purposes of it was that when the cops needed to raid a house, they could look up if the owner had guns. This is very flawed though. First of all a criminal probably wont register his guns. And in a perfect world where every gun is registered, he could always have a friend's gun with him, and not actually have any of his own.

Also from what I hear the existing info will also be destroyed. Though I have a big feeling there will be copies of it somewhere, but there will be a bunch of hoops to go through to get to it. For example in a huge murder case or something, the cops will probably go through these hoops to get to the data but a normal drug bust type case, I doubt it.
 
Fight for your rights. We won the right to concealed carry weapons in Wisconsin recently and already it is paying off: http://www.wisn.com/news/30374159/detail.html

Fight Vic Toews and his internet legislation next.

I think we're worse off in the US than you Canucks after the NDAA and extension of the Patriot Act. And the redisguised versions of SOPA and PIPA that are being drawn up behind closed doors.
 
Mk262 said:
Fight for your rights. We won the right to concealed carry weapons in Wisconsin recently and already it is paying off: http://www.wisn.com/news/30374159/detail.html

Fight Vic Toews and his internet legislation next.

I think we're worse off in the US than you Canucks after the NDAA and extension of the Patriot Act. And the redisguised versions of SOPA and PIPA that are being drawn up behind closed doors.
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Yeah this sopa crap is scary, and it will affect all of us, not just americans. What's scary is our government is also working on it's own version behind closed doors. In fact, it's been pretty much masked by the gun registry news as well as the keystone pipeline. They always do these bills at the same time as other important stuff so they can hide it better.

http://ibackpackcanada.com/help-stop-bill-c-11-from-ruining-the-internet/

Though the US government has shown they don't need SOPA or anything like that to do what they want. They just do it anyway. Look at Megaupload's situation. They pretty much did what SOPA would allow them to, before SOPA even being passed. They did it on the protest day too, as a big "fuck you" to it's citizens.
 
The Coalition for Gun Control here is busy spewing its hyperbole at near frenetic levels.

Their histrionics knows no bounds. No matter how stupid it is, as long as it is pro-gun control, they will repeat it ad-infinitem.

Wendy Cukier is a real piece of work. She still believes that the gun registry saved lives and prevented crimes.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Yeah this sopa crap is scary, and it will affect all of us, not just americans. What's scary is our government is also working on it's own version behind closed doors. In fact, it's been pretty much masked by the gun registry news as well as the keystone pipeline. They always do these bills at the same time as other important stuff so they can hide it better.

http://ibackpackcanada.com/help-stop-bill-c-11-from-ruining-the-internet/

Though the US government has shown they don't need SOPA or anything like that to do what they want. They just do it anyway. Look at Megaupload's situation. They pretty much did what SOPA would allow them to, before SOPA even being passed. They did it on the protest day too, as a big "fuck you" to it's citizens.
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To be fair, from what I've read the Megaupload seizure was legit. My only issue with it was that they've denied everyone access to their files, even the millions of perfectly legal ones.
 
bfdd said:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Seriously get that through your head. EVERYONE in Switzerland has to have a gun, EVERYONE is armed. Go look at their crime and murder rates. Using the argument "GUNS ARE DANGEROUS" is like using the argument "CARS ARE DANGEROUS" of course they are in the hands of an idiot or someone wishing to do harm. Why should everyone else be punished because of them? Stupid ass reasoning. People wonder where hate comes from, it comes from stupid shit like that. "no you can't do that because some other idiot killed himself" so? Let me kill myself then, pussy.
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you do realize you can't compare the gun culture in Switzerland to that in the US right?
 
Should have kept it, but Harper has to scrap it. What is ridiculous is not releasing the data to the provinces that wants to keep the data.

best part is this government that is selling privacy concern on long form census and long gun registry is trying to ram through Canadian version of SOPA.
 
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irishScott said:
No, but it does make the point that the guns themselves are not at fault. Something a lot of gun grabbers and politicians seem to miss.
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of course guns are not the problem, people are the problem.

imo, the US is screwed on the subject of guns, there's nothing that can be done at this point without only hurting law abiding citizens (for a long time at least).
 
Colt45 said:
Always thought the registry was a waste of time. Never registered my long gun.
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Man, don't admit to crimes on the internet. Probably like 50% of Canadians own unregistered guns but it's hush hush for a reason.


That said, the dick in charge of taking this thing apart due to 'privacy issues' has just launched an internet bill that will allow warrantless monitoring. He came out and said anyone against the bill is obviously pro child porn. What the fuck? I thought you liked privacy?
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Then in a blaze of irony, someone posted the details of his divorce online and he totally flipped out. How dare you invade my privacy????
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...dry-divorce-details-published-to-protest-bill
Many experts say the law threatens to violate Canadians’ privacy and restrict the relative freedoms that they enjoy online. So one enterprising Twitter user went to the Winnipeg courthouse where Toews and ex-wife Lorraine Fehr legally ended their 32-year marriage, obtained the public affidavits filed in the case and started broadcasting them in 140-character bursts late Tuesday evening.

It started with a menacing justification first posted Tuesday evening before delving into details of Toews’ history of infidelities, finances and a love child born in July, 2007. The private lives of Canadian politicians, unlike their American counterparts, are usually considered no-go zones for the public and media, and the minister’s office said it would not comment on sleazy allegations.

But the anonymous poster, code name @vikileaks30, may have been inflamed by the minister’s accusation that anyone who does not support his legislation is in effect siding with child pornographers.

“Vic wants to know about you. Let’s get to know about Vic,” read the first posting from the account.
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Holy shit, gun laws that actually make sense! In Canada?!
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The main sensical part of guns in Canada is that you need a license to buy a gun. As much as I hate that, it's probably a good idea. We don't give kids a set of keys and turn them loose on the road without any training....
 
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