Canada doesn't just send thoughts and prayers...

Viper1j

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They ban assault weapons! :D

Maybe Justin show people over here how it's done.


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Ottawa is set to ban a number of assault-style firearms and weapons involved in mass shootings in Canada and abroad, including the Ruger Mini-14 that was used during the 1989 École Polytechnique massacre, federal officials say.

The formal announcement of the gun ban is expected by the end of the week, but the key measures have already been approved by cabinet, the officials said. In addition to the gun ban, according to officials, the government will be putting forward further gun control measures in a coming legislative package.

Along with the Ruger Mini-14, the government will ban the AR-15 and similar types of firearms that have been used in a number of mass shootings in the United States, officials said. They added that the ban will also include the CZ Scorpion, the Swiss Arms Classic Green, the Beretta Cx4 Storm, the Robinson Armament XCR and the Sig Sauer SIG MCX, among others, as well as firearms that use the same platforms.

The Globe and Mail is not disclosing the names of the officials because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged to act on gun control in the aftermath of the worst mass shooting in Canadian history, in which a gunman killed 22 people on April 18 and 19 in Nova Scotia.

During the 2015 federal election, the Liberal Party promised to make it more difficult to acquire “assault weapons,” but did not take action on that front after forming government. Mr. Trudeau and his ministers have frequently suggested that tougher measures were coming over the years, but are only now starting to bring them forward.

On Tuesday, RCMP Superintendent Darren Campbell said the gunman in Nova Scotia was carrying two semi-automatic rifles and several semi-automatic pistols as he rampaged through a rural swath of the province. He told reporters that one of the long guns could be described as a military-style assault rifle.

Supt. Campbell declined to disclose the make or calibre of the firearms, saying investigators were still conducting ballistic work to determine which gun was used against each victim.

In last year’s election campaign, the Liberals promised to ban military-style assault weapons, allow municipalities to ban handguns on their territory and bring in a series of new laws to restrict access to illegal weapons, among other elements. In addition, the Liberals said they would create a buyback program to require the owners of newly banned firearms to sell them back to the government.

The Liberals placed an estimated price tag of $250-million on the program in the election campaign, but critics said the final tab will likely be much higher to reflect the market value of the weapons. Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said earlier this year that the buyback program could come later than the ban.



The banning of firearms can be done by a decision of cabinet called an order-in-council and does not require the adoption of new legislation. There is no exact definition of a military-style firearm, which means the government’s decision is based on science as well as political choices.

Mr. Trudeau had already suggested last year that the Ruger Mini-14 would be among the banned weapons as part of remarks to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the massacre at École Polytechnique in Montreal. On Dec. 6, 1989, a lone gunman walked into an engineering classroom at the school and declared his hatred for feminists before killing 14 women using a Ruger Mini-14 rifle and a hunting knife.

“These weapons, designed to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time, have no place in our communities, in our streets, in our country,” Mr. Trudeau said in the House of Commons at the time.

The semi-automatic rifle held 30-round magazines and fired .223 Remington ammunition originally designed for military combat. In the days after the Montreal shooting, a group of survivors began advocating for a ban on all semi-automatic rifles, which fire one round with every pull of the trigger without having to manually chamber a new round.

Throughout the 1990s, the survivors’ push gained traction with Ottawa. Governments passed new gun laws that limited rifle magazines to five rounds, created a long-gun registry and placed onerous restrictions and prohibitions on models of firearms “not reasonably used in hunting.”

But the Mini-14 largely circumvented those efforts. Many enthusiasts consider the rifle ideal for hunting small game. With its polished wooden stock, the standard Mini-14 also looks more like a traditional hunting rifle than a modern black rifle, such as the AR-15.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Super Triggered.

Must really sear them 😛

Wonder what effect this will have if anything, only because it appears to be a specific ban by name and not by style/function.
So tomorrow if someone comes out with the "yuuuuuge-15", would that automatically be banned under Canada's regulations or would another law have to be enacted?
While I personally don't like AWBs, I'd rather ban handguns first if I had to pick and choose. I also think banning one form of semi-auto firearm is kind of silly. I'd rather see all semi-autos more strictly regulated than one specific type. Pistol or rifle, they both fire as fast as you can (or can't) pull the trigger.
 

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Must really sear them 😛

Wonder what effect this will have if anything, only because it appears to be a specific ban by name and not by style/function.
So tomorrow if someone comes out with the "yuuuuuge-15", would that automatically be banned under Canada's regulations or would another law have to be enacted?
While I personally don't like AWBs, I'd rather ban handguns first if I had to pick and choose. I also think banning one form of semi-auto firearm is kind of silly. I'd rather see all semi-autos more strictly regulated than one specific type. Pistol or rifle, they both fire as fast as you can (or can't) pull the trigger.

You must have pissed this part..

The banning of firearms can be done by a decision of cabinet called an order-in-council and does not require the adoption of new legislation. There is no exact definition of a military-style firearm, which means the government’s decision is based on science as well as political choices.
 

Fenixgoon

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You must have pissed this part..

The banning of firearms can be done by a decision of cabinet called an order-in-council and does not require the adoption of new legislation. There is no exact definition of a military-style firearm, which means the government’s decision is based on science as well as political choices.

Indeed I did :)
 

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I don't know why they bother, we have had less than what, 5 instances of mass shootings in the last 30 yrs with Assault type firearms.
There are by their guestimate 80000 + and it will cost a Billion to buy back. Yet Doctors for gun control don't seem to care about the 10,000 annual OXY deaths every year they themselves proliferate.
If in society you want to fix a real problem put your money to that, prescriptions drugs is ruining way more lives and families than semi auto rifles
 
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I don't know why they bother, we have had less than what, 5 instances of mass shootings in the last 30 yrs with Assault type firearms.
There are by their guestimate 80000 + and it will cost a Billion to buy back. Yet Doctors for gun control don't seem to care about the 10,000 annual OXY deaths every year they themselves proliferate.
If in society you want to fix a real problem put your money to that, prescriptions drugs is ruining way more lives and families than semi auto rifles

People choose to take drugs, people don't choose to get shot.

THAT'S the difference.
 

Ichinisan

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Do we know what kind of gun used in the recent massacre?

This law wouldn't have helped in this case. It was already illegal for the shooter to have these guns. He didn't have the license.
 
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I don't know why they bother, we have had less than what, 5 instances of mass shootings in the last 30 yrs with Assault type firearms.
There are by their guestimate 80000 + and it will cost a Billion to buy back. Yet Doctors for gun control don't seem to care about the 10,000 annual OXY deaths every year they themselves proliferate.
If in society you want to fix a real problem put your money to that, prescriptions drugs is ruining way more lives and families than semi auto rifles

Not sure where you're getting they don't care about that just because they also care about gun deaths. Which, where are you getting your stats on that, as according to various sites after a quick Google they're saying ~15,000 opiate related deaths over 3-4 years (between 2016-2019). Which I guess that means doctors shouldn't be able to care about cancer, car accidents, or any number of other causes of deaths? Or should we discard you caring about opiate related deaths because those are dwarfed by a lot of other causes? After all by your own logic, opiates aren't a real problem compared to those.

People choose to take drugs, people don't choose to get shot.

THAT'S the difference.

A lot of people that got hooked on opiates did not choose to do so. Lots of people were prescribed them because of things like surgery, and were told they were safe and non-addicting.

Most gun deaths actually are the person choosing to get shot (they're suicides, in Canada, think its like ~80% of gun deaths are suicides).
 

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It's a nice way to make a few people feel safer, and it gives the impression that government is doing something, so I guess it's winning strategy.
 
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It's a nice way to make a few people feel safer, and it gives the impression that government is doing something, so I guess it's winning strategy.
still way more effective than thoughts and prayers, but i mostly agree with you
 

desy

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Doctors initially overprescribe the opiates, of which starts the cycle downward. They seemingly take no culpability.
The number I heard was 10,000 I thought a year, it was over a couple years with about 200 firearm homicides per year you would have to go 50 years to match and most of those are handguns illegally brought in from the States
Handguns accounted for about six in ten firearm homicides.

Point is Assault 'style' weapons account for an incredibly low number of the total firearms deaths in Canada.
Go after Handguns at the border. Personally I wouldn't care if they banned AR 'style' firearms but I see it for what it is, useless
There are much better ways to spend Tax dollars that would have real meaningful improvements in Canadians lives instead of emotional panacea
 
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I suspect in Canada a ban might actually have a small effect on crime. Not long term.
Criminals always seem able to get their hands on whatever they want. The real solution is to look at the cause of crime and deal with it directly.
Lack of education and lack of employment are the main factors, and also the ones most commonly overlooked, especially by conservatives and their politicians.
 
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gun owners having a meltdown over this currently, meh


The ban includes guns that have been used in past Canadian shootings, such as:

  • the Ruger Mini-14 which was used in the Ecole Polytechnique massacre in Montreal in 1989, which the government estimates there are 16,860 currently in circulation in Canada;
  • the M14 semi-automatic which was used in the 2014 Moncton shooting, which the government estimates there are 5,230 in Canada;
  • the Beretta CX4 Storm which was used in the Dawson College shooting, which the government estimates there are approximately 1,510 currently in circulation; and
  • the CSA-VZ-58 which the gunman attempted to use in the Quebec Mosque shooting, which the government says there are 11,590 in Canada.

Another one of the firearms on Canada’s list of federally prohibited weapons is the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, which was used by the gunman who killed 50 people at a Christchurch, New Zealand mosque in 2019, as well as in other mass shootings in the United States including the Sandy Hook and Las Vegas massacres. A handful of similar models are also on the list, as well as guns with muzzle energy exceeding 10,000 joules and those with calibres exceeding 20 millimeters.
 

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Not sure why people are so freak out about this, this is one of his election promise. People knew full well this is going to happen with or without NS shooting even I am sure JT use it in his adv.

I don't own a gun and I have not problem people having one, I don't care one way or the other I am just surprised people are crying about the ban.
 

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Not sure why people are so freak out about this, this is one of his election promise. People knew full well this is going to happen with or without NS shooting even I am sure JT use it in his adv.

I don't own a gun and I have not problem people having one, I don't care one way or the other I am just surprised people are crying about the ban.

Because it makes no sense... spending a billion dollars on banning a few specific models of semi automatic rifles while leaving most of them legal does nothing but set money on fire.

The relatively small amount of murder by gun in Canada are majority handguns and mostly related to gangs and drugs.
 
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Oh man! He banned assault rifles! Whatever will someone do that has a fake cop car and a pistol?

Oh wait, the exact same thing. Deeeeeeeerp
 

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That SOB did not have PAL licence to purchace firearms in Canada so he went across the boarder and purchased an AR 15 and smuggled it back.

The Guns on that list have been restricted or prohibited for years in Canada - Nothing has changed in regards to Canadian Gun Laws - It's just a Political play.

As a Canadian we can own any Semi-Auto Rifle with a barrel over 18" limited to 5 rounds that can not easily be converted to full auto and all shot guns limited 3 rounds with barrel lengths not under 18".

Pistols although restricted can not have a barrel length less then 4" with a capacity and not then 10 rounds.

Been like this for years.

Most Canadian gun enthusiasts do not like the 556 or 223 round as only serves one purpose and that is Mame or Kill people.

We still have our long barrel SKS's, VZ 858's and Norinco AR 15 knock offs, all limited to 5 rounds.

We still have lever or bolt action full 30 cals that carry 10 rounds and over.

Feather weight Remington 30.06 Semi's are common - but limited to 5 rounds. Actually hate that gun ;o)

Nothing has changed.

Yes our Military uses the Nato 556 but it's dirty kill for any animal our size or bigger then us.

Our crime guns come illegally from the United States - KEEP your damn SBR's, Pistols and large capacity Mags outta Canada.

Even if Canada down right banned firearms, the criminal element will always bring them into Canada from the US.
 
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I always thought the best way to regain ones sanity and forever rid themselves of the horrors of Donald Trump would be to simply MOVE AWAY. I was seriously thinking of Portugal, somewhere along the coast but THEN this virus crap hit. But I'm STILL thinking about it and it would be sooooo nice to just leave Donald Trump and this TOTALLY F...ked up America behind for some fresh air and a new life with normal people. And, I speak fairly good Portuguese. ;) It would be nice to live somewhere that people do not worship THE GUN.
 

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I always thought the best way to regain ones sanity and forever rid themselves of the horrors of Donald Trump would be to simply MOVE AWAY. I was seriously thinking of Portugal, somewhere along the coast but THEN this virus crap hit. But I'm STILL thinking about it and it would be sooooo nice to just leave Donald Trump and this TOTALLY F...ked up America behind for some fresh air and a new life with normal people. And, I speak fairly good Portuguese. ;) It would be nice to live somewhere that people do not worship THE GUN.
Sounds like the place for you to go. A quick search indicates that all you really have to do is prove financial stability to get the equivalent of a green card.