Canada considering giving aid to USA to help it meet maternal and childcare shortfall

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While I don't necessarily agree with everything the journalist says, if even half of the stats quoted in the article are true, it is disgusting.

I don't approve of the anti-republican bias, I think both parties are responsible for this, and pointing fingers at each other does not improve the landscape of the country.

The USA has become such a cut throat society, that people are willing to stab each other in the back to get to the top. Unfortunately, when all is done, I don't think people will be very happy with the view when they get to the top.

The fact that Canada is considering giving foreign aid to the worlds largest economy to take of its own kids is pathetic.

Before anyone says that we're being high and mighty, I also highlighted that the journalists comments that we Canadians are not without blame for our own shit situations.
Can Americans be saved from themselves?
Gerald Caplan
Globe and Mail Update
Published Friday, Jan. 14, 2011 4:05PM EST
Last updated Friday, Jan. 14, 2011 4:24PM EST



President Barack Obama and Jon Stewart believe if only Americans were more civil to each other, future Tucsons might be averted. Would that it were as simple as that.

In fact America faces a much deeper, more intractable, crisis that no one has a clue how to deal with, largely because it’s denied: a huge epidemic of mentally disturbed people, many with power and influence. That doesn’t mean all Americans are unstable, delusional or paranoid; there’s Senator Bernie Sanders, after all.

Now no one actually knows how many Americans have mental-health issues. The World Health Organization has found that 26 per cent of Americans have mental disorders of some kind or another, the highest rate on the planet, most of which goes completely untreated. But this was a clinical study and didn’t examine political or cultural manifestations of mental disturbance in the United States, a vast canvas. For all we know, the real total of those with mental disorders could be as low as that 26 per cent and as high as the sky.

Of course the total depend on one’s definition of a mental disorder. Take the following facts, for example. According to a 2010 poll:

» 67 per cent of Republicans (and 40 per cent of all Americans) believe Mr. Obama is a socialist;

» 57 per cent of Republicans (32 per cent overall) believe he’s Muslim;

» 45 per cent of Republicans (25 per cent overall) agree with the Birthers that the President was “not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president;”

» 38 per cent of Republicans (20 per cent overall) say Mr. Obama is “doing many of the things that Hitler did;”

» and 24 per cent of Republicans (14 per cent overall) say Mr. Obama “may be the Antichrist.”

As of this Friday at 9:24 a.m. there were exactly 311, 890,178 Americans. So, among other things, 124,756,071 Americans believe the President of the United States is a socialist. If only. Does this make them a) surprisingly shrewd, b) supremely ignorant, c) paranoid, or d) off their rockers? Choose one.

Some of these Americans are the Republican members of Congress who united last month to oppose government funding for New York firefighters, police officers and other emergency workers who were heroic “first responders” on 9/11 when the Twin Towers fell. As a direct result of toiling in those ruins, many became ill, often seriously, some terminally. Yet the Republicans – whose cynical exploitation of 9/11 defines egregious political opportunism – refused to support the bill unless the Bush tax cuts for the top 2 per cent of Americans were extended. I realize you’ll think I’m fabricating this story since it’s too crazy to be true. Except it’s true. Check out for yourself Jon Stewart’s remarkable program on Dec. 16 featuring four damaged but eloquent first responders. This was not a comedy program.

Another influential American is John Shimkus, a Republican who’s represented Illinois in Congress for the past 14 years. Mr. Shimkus believes nothing needs to be done about global warming. “I do believe in the Bible as the final word of God,” he says. “And I do believe that God said the Earth would not be destroyed by a flood [after Noah’s flood].”

Yet another is Darrell Issa, a senior California Republican, now chairman of an important congressional committee, who described Mr. Obama as “one of the most corrupt presidents of modern time.”

An even more prominent Republican congressional leader is Paul Ryan, whose “Roadmap for America’s Future” sets out the core policies that the new Republican-led Congress is expected to follow. It’s been summarized as follows:

It provides the largest tax cuts in history for the wealthy; raises taxes on the middle class; ends guaranteed Medicare benefits; erodes health care coverage; partially privatizes social security; and makes deep cuts in guaranteed Social Security benefits.

This was the platform that was supported by Tea Cuppers and other Americans furious at Mr. Obama for the economic meltdown. This is now the platform for a country which, according to UNICEF, ranks last on child poverty among 24 wealthy countries, with 42 per cent of American children living in low-income homes and about one in five in poverty. Prime Minister Stephen Harper is considering foreign aid to America to help meet its maternal and child health crisis.

This is a country, too, where the socialist President can choose for his new chief of staff a VIP at JP Morgan Chase and for the head of his National Economic Council a VIP at Goldman Sachs. According to The Market Oracle, a business-friendly financial markets analysis website, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs are “a powerful pair that is more responsible for destroying the entire U.S. financial system than 95 per cent of the American public has any awareness of.” But Mr. Obama is aware. A grateful business community is prepared to show its appreciation in donations to his next presidential campaign.

A prominent group of neo-cons and other hawks are pressing for an illegal American attack on Iran. Most had also promoted the illegal invasion of Iraq and are once again confident that success, as in Iraq, would be fast and relatively painless – at least for them. Given their track record, they of course have considerable influence.

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, a PhD in history, the most powerful Republican in the United States for much of the 1990s, a potential contender for the Republican nomination in 2012, much-quoted by the mainstream media, has stated that Mr. Obama and former House speaker Nancy Pelosi are part of a “secular-socialist machine” that’s as dire a threat to the United States as Hitler or the Soviet Union were in their day. As my esteemed colleague Professor J. Douglas Myers pointed out to me when I received my own doctorate in history, “It just shows that any damn fool can do it.”

The United States provides vast sums of money to allies like Saudi Arabia, much of which goes to promote Muslim fundamentalism that breeds anti-American terrorism, and to Pakistan, much of which goes directly into the pockets of the Taliban to help fight the Americans fighting against terrorism (or something) in Afghanistan.

Sarah Palin, the most popular Republican in America, was offended that the way she targeted certain Democrats in last November’s elections, including Gabrielle Giffords, was linked to the Tucson murders. She compares this assertion to the blood libel that Jews killed Jesus, and later Christian children, to use their blood in the baking of matzo for Passover.

Of course we Canadians have no right to complacency in this area. We have our own plausible candidates: folks who argue that the Alberta tar sands are ethical or that humans and dinosaurs moseyed around the earth together. An apparently deranged man killed a cop in Toronto this week. But how does Canada, or any other country, possibly begin to compare to the dishonour roll of America's mass and serial murderers, far and away the longest of any nation on Earth? Which logically raises the subject of murder weapons and popular culture.

No examination of the magnitude of American mental instability is incomplete without the singular role of the National Rifle Association being factored in. The tragedy in Tucson has elicited much concern about America's gun laws but only passing analysis of the politics of guns in American life. This fascinating and critical subject, illuminating the question of who’s really running the asylum, will be pursued next week.
 
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irishScott

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I looked up the first statistic you bolded. Apparently it's accurate, but I don't know about "highest in the world". Sounds like a lefty Canuk using statistics to call the right crazy based on no diagnosis other than "I don't agree with these people.".
 

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I looked up the first statistic you bolded. Apparently it's accurate, but I don't know about "highest in the world". Sounds like a lefty Canuk using statistics to call the right crazy based on no diagnosis other than "I don't agree with these people.".

I know that he sounds like a high and mighty prick. I'm Canadian but I love the USA with reckless abandon.

So take the political rhetoric out and just look at the facts.
 

irishScott

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I know that he sounds like a high and mighty prick. I'm Canadian but I love the USA with reckless abandon.

So take the political rhetoric out and just look at the facts.

Well the fact that we have "far and above the most mass and serial murderers of any nation" is complete bullshit, then they go on to target guns and the NRA. I've got a physics exam to study for, maybe I'll look up the other numbers and facts when I'm bored. Sounds like yet another left pundit to me though, not really worth analyzing.
 

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Well the fact that we have "far and above the most mass and serial murderers of any nation" is complete bullshit, then they go on to target guns and the NRA. I've got a physics exam to study for, maybe I'll look up the other numbers and facts when I'm bored. Sounds like yet another left pundit to me though, not really worth analyzing.

I was going to ask you for stats, but I see you're too tired.
 

Cogman

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Canada wants to send its money to the US? Cool. I don't care how much they hate our politics, if they want to waste their money on us, I'm all for it :D. Their people might not like it so much.
 

irishScott

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I was going to ask you for stats, but I see you're too tired.

I'm studying (taking a 5 minute break now) not sleeping, dipshit. Happy to see you think I should post in P&N as opposed to prepping for an exam that's 1/4 of my grade.

In any case, I imagine many African nations among others have a larger number of mass/serial murders than we do. The article provides no source for that statement and a few quick google searches turned up no legitimate statistics on the subject. So I'm tempted to believe the author's pulling that out of his ass.

Sorry if my pointing out that obviously bias articles aren't really worth my time offends your delicate sensibilities.
 
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CanOWorms

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Shouldn't 100% of Canadians suffer from a mental disorder? Monarchy seems like it should be classified as one.
 

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Well the fact that we have "far and above the most mass and serial murderers of any nation" is complete bullshit, then they go on to target guns and the NRA. I've got a physics exam to study for, maybe I'll look up the other numbers and facts when I'm bored. Sounds like yet another left pundit to me though, not really worth analyzing.

Well according to this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread640120/pg1

76% (140) of the world's serial killers are from the USA.
 

Infohawk

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There are a lot of educated Canadian professionals working in the states. Hard to imagine that we're much worse off if they're all trying to work here.

Let the canucks give aid. Might make up for the decades of security they've gotten from having a powerful neighbor.

Well according to this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread640120/pg1

76% (140) of the world's serial killers are from the USA.

This could merely suggest American police forces do their jobs better than other countries. Kind of like how wealthy counties tend to have higher rates of breast cancer. It's just that they're diagnosed more.
 

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Hum... let's see;

we have a big problem with urban and semi-rural people; something that hurts our scores on things like:
number of people in prison
per-capita GDP
number of people murdered
number of people raped
illiteracy
child molestation/abuse/abandonment (this is a big causal factor in crazy)
rich-poor life-expectancy gap

I could go on; but basically we've created a two monster society within our own society of people that are often taught to expect a cruel violent and hopeless world*.

Not so much in Canada, ya know?

*We need to reeducate and relocate these people; A dense population of people trained to be stupid is only going to perpetuate itself. Simple solution: Only pay for government housing and food-stamps if these people disburse amongst the population!
 

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*We need to reeducate and relocate these people; A dense population of people trained to be stupid is only going to perpetuate itself. Simple solution: Only pay for government housing and food-stamps if these people disburse amongst the population!

What do you plan on doing when the population they were disbursed in moves again?

I do agree that education is a big part of this but I think that can only big fixed by holding parents more accountable for their children

Does anyone actually have a link to how the study was done? I can find lots of references to the study but not the study itself
 

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As of this Friday at 9:24 a.m. there were exactly 311, 890,178 Americans.

There is know way of knowing the "exact" population. His credibility with statistics is now zero. Rest of the article isn't worth my time to read.
 

sandorski

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Being naive and just plain stupid is bad for certain, but not a Mental Health issue IMO.
 

sandorski

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There is know way of knowing the "exact" population. His credibility with statistics is now zero. Rest of the article isn't worth my time to read.

lol, he probably got that from some official estimate. Seems rather weak to dismiss his words on that point.
 

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lol, he probably got that from some official estimate. Seems rather weak to dismiss his words on that point.

Weak? Okay, sorry about that. I went on. The guy is full of shit with his calculations. Apparently, 40% of all the newborn babies born in the United States in the last month believe that Obama is a socialist. Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense. The guy is either a moron mindlessly playing with numbers, else is smart, hoping to deceive morons. Regardless, after reading a little more, I think it can be dismissed as nothing new except for meaningless math.
 

sandorski

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Weak? Okay, sorry about that. I went on. The guy is full of shit with his calculations. Apparently, 40% of all the newborn babies born in the United States in the last month believe that Obama is a socialist. Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense. The guy is either a moron mindlessly playing with numbers, else is smart, hoping to deceive morons. Regardless, after reading a little more, I think it can be dismissed as nothing new except for meaningless math.

That's better! :D