Can you think about the presidential race rationally?

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No I am not free. You are free. I am constrained by reason.

You are as free as you let yourself be.

Isn't this fucking cute.

I think it's sooo cute, maybe light a scented candle, take a bath toghether in rose water?

I'm sorry, did you think you were included in this conversation? You weren't and its ok, you can move on now

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No I am not free. You are free. I am constrained by reason.

You are as free as you let yourself be.

Isn't this fucking cute.

I think it's sooo cute, maybe light a scented candle, take a bath toghether in rose water?

What do you know of the essence of attar? Here is one of his poems:

Since there is no one to be our companion in Love
The prayer mat is for the pious: wine dregs and vice for us ...
If the wine-bringers of the spirit sit with the devout
their wine is for the aesthetics; lees and hangovers for us ...

"Cure is for the purists," the poems goes on, celebrating an ecstatic overthrowing of mere piety. In its place the Sufi wanted direct encounter with the beloved, which required nothing less than an extinguishment of the self.

Love of the Beloved burned me like a candle, head to foot.
My soul-bird burned like a moth, wing and feather.

The fire of her love smoked my heart like aloes;
then her fire consumed both the smoke and the aloes.

A coal from her face fell into the desert:
both worlds burned like kindling from her ember.

I was to offer my soul to the soul-mate.
The Beloved outsmarted me; I got burnt.

There's nothing left of my blood or flesh, but ash

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No I am not free. You are free. I am constrained by reason.

You are as free as you let yourself be.

Isn't this fucking cute.

I think it's sooo cute, maybe light a scented candle, take a bath toghether in rose water?

What do you know of the essence of attar? Here is one of his poems:

Since there is no one to be our companion in Love
The prayer mat is for the pious: wine dregs and vice for us ...
If the wine-bringers of the spirit sit with the devout
their wine is for the aesthetics; lees and hangovers for us ...

"Cure is for the purists," the poems goes on, celebrating an ecstatic overthrowing of mere piety. In its place the Sufi wanted direct encounter with the beloved, which required nothing less than an extinguishment of the self.

Love of the Beloved burned me like a candle, head to foot.
My soul-bird burned like a moth, wing and feather.

The fire of her love smoked my heart like aloes;
then her fire consumed both the smoke and the aloes.

A coal from her face fell into the desert:
both worlds burned like kindling from her ember.

I was to offer my soul to the soul-mate.
The Beloved outsmarted me; I got burnt.

There's nothing left of my blood or flesh, but ash

Well said!! Peace to you my friend!!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: hellod9
It is very clear to me that when it comes to politics, people have a very difficult time being rational, especially once they have taken sides with an issue.

So many political discussions come down to people searching for reasons to support decisions they've already made. It is often painfully obvious which candidate someone supports simply by looking at what facts or ideas they focus on.

Most people look for reasons they are right, instead of looking at the situation from an objective point of view.

In essence, it is extremely difficult to be rational about politics once you have made a decision.

Do you think this is true? I know that it is true for me.

How do you deal with this?

I think you're right on, and science now backs you up. Studies show that people's rational brain areas do not get engages when shown partisan material.

I sometimes feel myself pulled that direction, and sometimes it happens.

I'm not sure how to tell someone else to overcome it, but to try to practice.

I actually designed something of an exercise to help, that I've never told anyone about, that I thought might help people. I'm not sure the forum is ready for it, but you can PM

One thing that does seem to help is to read quality material, which helps remind you of the issues.

 

[StageLeft]

Obviously not. If I was rational I'd not spend time on P&N.