Can we now please get rid of Affirmative Action?

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Now that we have an African-American in the highest position in the land, should we get rid of affirmative action?

Affirmative action is useless when blacks don't want jobs, or want to better themselves. See inner city thugs. Those who aren't thugs usually try a bit harder in life and usually don't need affirmative action.

Fuck you dude. You have no fucking clue. I've seen more white trash in the midwest without jobs then anyone else.

midwest? lowest concentration of the population? Chill man we arent talking about stupid, uneducated, unmotivated white boys. Just black ones. Thats a different thread

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Theres at least one state that voted to do just that last nite...cant rememer maybe MI> Cant remember. Should be a state issue but I agree. Can it.

Nebraska. Michigan went liberal last night. Liberal Judge Ann Hathaway won Supreme Court, Obama for Prez, Yes on med. marijuana, Yes on stem cells. Great night for the Great Lakes State.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Drakkon
CO had amendment 46 - initiative targeted at ending race- and gender-based affirmative action programs - apparently still too close to call -No leading by 10k with 86% reporting

How do you enforce that when kids of alumni get bonus points?

 

[Dari]

Yeah, we definitely need to get rid of it. It has hurt blacks long enough (as well as helped, but its time has passed).

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm all for making it illegal for employers to ask for race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other personal information that could be used to discriminate. That is the definition of equality.

Sounds good but too tough to prove in court. Remember that University of Chicago study where resumes were send out to companies. Qualifications were the same but a group had obviously black sounding names. That group got a 50% lower call back rate.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm all for making it illegal for employers to ask for race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other personal information that could be used to discriminate. That is the definition of equality.

Sounds good but too tough to prove in court. Remember that University of Chicago study where resumes were send out to companies. Qualifications were the same but a group had obviously black sounding names. That group got a 50% lower call back rate.

And, obviously, it wouldn't make much difference in face-to-face interviews.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Theres at least one state that voted to do just that last nite...cant rememer maybe MI> Cant remember. Should be a state issue but I agree. Can it.

Passed in nebraska

Only if Ward Connerly were in office. He is a great man.

Only if Ward Conman were in office-in Texas. This guy is a hypocritical douchebag.
He made tons of money - with his MINORITY enabled business. And now that he has made it to the top with the benefit of affirmative action, he wants to pull up the ladder on other minorities.

 

[alien42]

AAs time will come once every child in this country is given the opportunity for an equal education.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm all for making it illegal for employers to ask for race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other personal information that could be used to discriminate. That is the definition of equality.

Sounds good but too tough to prove in court. Remember that University of Chicago study where resumes were send out to companies. Qualifications were the same but a group had obviously black sounding names. That group got a 50% lower call back rate.

I'd like to see the same study on obvious "country" names like Hunter and such.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Now that we have an African-American in the highest position in the land, should we get rid of affirmative action?

Affirmative action is what got us a black president in the first place! The guy has no experience or qualifications for the position, yet, he was voted in because of its historical impact.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Now that we have an African-American in the highest position in the land, should we get rid of affirmative action?

Affirmative action is what got us a black president in the first place! The guy has no experience or qualifications for the position, yet, he was voted in because of its historical impact.

I hope you were being sarcastic. If not, FOAD.

 

[Insomniator]

AA should be gone, it just perpetuates discrimination.

And many institutions these days pride themselves on being diverse; why do we need AA to come in screw things up?

I knew a couple of kids in college that got in from AA.. they were simply taking the spots of people that were actually qualified.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Now that we have an African-American in the highest position in the land, should we get rid of affirmative action?

Affirmative action is what got us a black president in the first place! The guy has no experience or qualifications for the position, yet, he was voted in because of its historical impact.

Then why didn't Jesse Jackson make it in earlier?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
AA should be gone, it just perpetuates discrimination.

And many institutions these days pride themselves on being diverse; why do we need AA to come in screw things up?

I knew a couple of kids in college that got in from AA.. they were simply taking the spots of people that were actually qualified.

Unfortunately its true. I have a buddy in WA state with the statepatrol who, after 13 years of flawless service, applied to be a full time bike cop. There was one position. He didnt get it. A black cop with 2 years experience got it.

Go figure.

 

[JS80]

Who needs affirmative action when you have wealth redistribution?

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: JS80
Who needs affirmative action when you have wealth redistribution?

You're right, let's get rid of the mortgage interest deduction, it's wealth redistribution.

 

[QueBert]

AA should be killed off when a black person has the same opportunity that a white person does at getting a job. As it stands now, they don't, and even with AA Black people are still at a huge disadvantage. I don't like AA one bit, but it was something that was NEEDED to assure blacks had SOME shot at a FEW jobs and a FEW college scholarships. Who cares if AA leads to some black people getting some positions they aren't qualified for? White people land jobs they don't deserve all the time. Meanwhile a lot of the people hiring for jobs will still throw away a persons Resume before they even read it if the name sounds too "black"

 

[CanOWorms]

Opposing it or supporting it means to hurt others. However, Affirmative Action is basically opposition to Asians.

Affirmative Action hurts Asians the most, not the majority whites like most people think. Asian enrollment has increased substantially in institutions that drop Affirmative Action. One of the best examples of this is UC Berkeley. Asians remain one of the most politically disenfranchised groups. They earn some of the highest incomes yet are barely politically represented. I have no doubt some of this is due to Affirmative Action.

Diversity in education is still important though.

 

[XZeroII]

Obama is very pro-AA. It's not going anywhere if he has anything to say about it.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
Now that we have an African-American in the highest position in the land, should we get rid of affirmative action?

Yeah, that will fix the income and education gaps across all races :roll:

And AA has been *really* effective at fixing the aforementioned problems. :roll:

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Opposing it or supporting it means to hurt others. However, Affirmative Action is basically opposition to Asians.

Affirmative Action hurts Asians the most, not the majority whites like most people think. Asian enrollment has increased substantially in institutions that drop Affirmative Action. One of the best examples of this is UC Berkeley. Asians remain one of the most politically disenfranchised groups. They earn some of the highest incomes yet are barely politically represented. I have no doubt some of this is due to Affirmative Action.

Diversity in education is still important though.

What would America do without Asians?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Opposing it or supporting it means to hurt others. However, Affirmative Action is basically opposition to Asians.

Affirmative Action hurts Asians the most, not the majority whites like most people think. Asian enrollment has increased substantially in institutions that drop Affirmative Action. One of the best examples of this is UC Berkeley. Asians remain one of the most politically disenfranchised groups. They earn some of the highest incomes yet are barely politically represented. I have no doubt some of this is due to Affirmative Action.

Diversity in education is still important though.

What would America do without Asians?

So many non-PC jokes with that setup. Probably the wrong crowd though.


Making a decision on race is wrong. Period. You can't have it both ways.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
preemptive "THAT'S RACIST" on the OP...

No, ofcourse AA won't go away even though it's era and need is long gone. It's actually become what it fought to change - "equality".

I wouldn't say "its era and need is long gone." I'd say AA was a bit premature. You can't take people and throw them into good colleges and good jobs and let them sink or swim. We need to fix the problem with education at lower levels before we can hope for "equality."

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Opposing it or supporting it means to hurt others. However, Affirmative Action is basically opposition to Asians.

Affirmative Action hurts Asians the most, not the majority whites like most people think. Asian enrollment has increased substantially in institutions that drop Affirmative Action. One of the best examples of this is UC Berkeley. Asians remain one of the most politically disenfranchised groups. They earn some of the highest incomes yet are barely politically represented. I have no doubt some of this is due to Affirmative Action.

Diversity in education is still important though.

What would America do without Asians?

So many non-PC jokes with that setup. Probably the wrong crowd though.


Making a decision on race is wrong. Period. You can't have it both ways.

Bleh, people get offended too easily.

Seriously, so many Asians (East Asians and Indians) are engineers, researchers, doctors, etc. We're probably the most under appreciated ethnic group in the United States.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Opposing it or supporting it means to hurt others. However, Affirmative Action is basically opposition to Asians.

Affirmative Action hurts Asians the most, not the majority whites like most people think. Asian enrollment has increased substantially in institutions that drop Affirmative Action. One of the best examples of this is UC Berkeley. Asians remain one of the most politically disenfranchised groups. They earn some of the highest incomes yet are barely politically represented. I have no doubt some of this is due to Affirmative Action.

Diversity in education is still important though.

What would America do without Asians?

So many non-PC jokes with that setup. Probably the wrong crowd though.


Making a decision on race is wrong. Period. You can't have it both ways.

Bleh, people get offended too easily.

Seriously, so many Asians (East Asians and Indians) are engineers, researchers, doctors, etc. We're probably the most under appreciated ethnic group in the United States.

No, everytime someone calls Dell tech support, they appeciate them.

(ok, I did it, forgive me)