Motorheader
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The Greeks pondered this 2500 years ago. Zeno's Paradox
...how could you get to infinity to actually get beyond it if there was never a point that you acutally started.
...how could you get to infinity to actually get beyond it if there was never a point that you acutally started.
So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...
One could say that you = recorder as in the recorder captures all sounds just like your ear would have if you were there.
People only exist when I'm perceiving them, their actions, or repercussions of their actions. Whenever they stray beyond my senses, they are immediately sent to NIL space.
Infants think like this. That's why they're such fans of peek-a-boo.
so are we to assume that all noise-making entities can willfully make or not make noise in the course of their activities, based solely on whether a hearing-capable lifeform or it's representative is present?
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Sure can. My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives. It is is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention.
No, you're just craaaaaazy.
The vibrations caused by the falling of the tree would be stored in a recording and would become noise/sound when played back and perceived by a living creature.
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
I would think that sound happens whether or not something is there to hear it. Hearing the sound only occurs if something is there to hear the sound generated.
I can't believe that a tree falling in the woods does not produce sound waves just because nothing is there to interpret them.
I can't believe that a tree falling in the woods does not produce sound waves just because nothing is there to interpret them.
Hearing is the process of vibrations, which you call sound waves, hitting your ear drums causing them to vibrate sending signals to your brain. These vibrations become sound when you perceive the sound.
We start with the environmental stimulus, the vibrations, being produced. Next, attend to this stimulus. The stimulus (the vibrations) then hit the receptors (the eardrum). Transduction occurs, creating an electrical signal that is sent to the brain, where it begins processing the signal. We then perceive the vibrations as sound; we hear it. After we perceive it, we recognize it, giving the sound meaning (this is affected by our experience). Lastly, we take action which changes the perception and starts the process over.
Vibrations do not become sound until near the end of the perceptual cycle.
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DrPizza
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Let's start with this: I cannot fathom all of the integers. I cannot fathom all the rational numbers. There are an infinite number of rational numbers. However, the square root of 2 cannot be written as the ratio of two numbers, regardless of how many you have to use (an infinite number of choices.) Thus, I can perceive something that is beyond (or in addition to) a set of infinite members.
When I walk, ever time I move, I cross over an infinite number of points. Yet, I'm able to perceive motion... some how, I get to a point beyond those infinite number of points.
exactly. Something I tried to explain before with the odd and even number sets.Originally posted by: DrPizza
Let's start with this: I cannot fathom all of the integers. I cannot fathom all the rational numbers. There are an infinite number of rational numbers. However, the square root of 2 cannot be written as the ratio of two numbers, regardless of how many you have to use (an infinite number of choices.) Thus, I can perceive something that is beyond (or in addition to) a set of infinite members.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Let's start with this: I cannot fathom all of the integers. I cannot fathom all the rational numbers. There are an infinite number of rational numbers. However, the square root of 2 cannot be written as the ratio of two numbers, regardless of how many you have to use (an infinite number of choices.) Thus, I can perceive something that is beyond (or in addition to) a set of infinite members.
You are not perceiving something beyond a set of infinite members. You are creating an idea of something beyond a set of infinite members.
Infinity is all that ever was/is/will be. Everything.
I really like http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php website.
I really like http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php website.
damn! thats sweet! very thought provoking. now my brain hurts
(you gotta click the "imagininfg the 10th demnsion" link in the navagation menu)
Sorry, should have mentioned this.Originally posted by: thecrecarc
damn! thats sweet! very thought provoking. now my brain hurts
(you gotta click the "imagininfg the 10th demnsion" link in the navagation menu)
Credit goes to "silent tone" from this thread.
No, they are vibrations/sound waves, that is why they have independent names and definitons. They become sound when they are perceived.
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