Can u perceive beyond infinity?

[her209]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

What if the sound caused an avalanche? Did the avalanche happen?

 

[Motorheader]

The Greeks pondered this 2500 years ago. Zeno's Paradox

...how could you get to infinity to actually get beyond it if there was never a point that you acutally started.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209
The real question is did the Big Bang make a really loud sound when it banged?

No. For sound to exist it must be perceived. There was nothing to perceive, thus the sound did not exist.

So if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it than it didn't make a noise?

If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209
The real question is did the Big Bang make a really loud sound when it banged?

No. For sound to exist it must be perceived. There was nothing to perceive, thus the sound did not exist.

So if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it than it didn't make a noise?

If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

One could say that you = recorder as in the recorder captures all sounds just like your ear would have if you were there.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209
The real question is did the Big Bang make a really loud sound when it banged?

No. For sound to exist it must be perceived. There was nothing to perceive, thus the sound did not exist.

So if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it than it didn't make a noise?

If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

One could say that you = recorder as in the recorder captures all sounds just like your ear would have if you were there.

Sounds like you're trying to use your trump card...

 

[mundane]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209
The real question is did the Big Bang make a really loud sound when it banged?

No. For sound to exist it must be perceived. There was nothing to perceive, thus the sound did not exist.

So if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it than it didn't make a noise?

If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

One could say that you = recorder as in the recorder captures all sounds just like your ear would have if you were there.

People only exist when I'm perceiving them, their actions, or repercussions of their actions. Whenever they stray beyond my senses, they are immediately sent to NIL space.

Infants think like this. That's why they're such fans of peek-a-boo.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209
The real question is did the Big Bang make a really loud sound when it banged?

No. For sound to exist it must be perceived. There was nothing to perceive, thus the sound did not exist.

So if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it than it didn't make a noise?

If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

One could say that you = recorder as in the recorder captures all sounds just like your ear would have if you were there.

so are we to assume that all noise-making entities can willfully make or not make noise in the course of their activities, based solely on whether a hearing-capable lifeform or it's representative is present?

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

What if the sound caused an avalanche? Did the avalanche happen?

The cause of the avalanche would not be the sound, but the vibrations caused by some action.

 

[Xyo II]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Sure can. My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives. It is is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention. 😛

No, you're just craaaaaazy. 😛

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

The vibrations caused by the falling of the tree would be stored in a recording and would become noise/sound when played back and perceived by a living creature.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
Ditto!

"Ditto"?
"Ditto," you provincial putz? 😛

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

What if the sound caused an avalanche? Did the avalanche happen?

The cause of the avalanche would not be the sound, but the vibrations caused by some action.

Hearing is the process of the sound waves hitting your ear drums causing them to vibrate sending signals to your brain.

 

[pulse8]

I would think that sound happens whether or not something is there to hear it. Hearing the sound only occurs if something is there to hear the sound generated.

I can't believe that a tree falling in the woods does not produce sound waves just because nothing is there to interpret them.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209
The real question is did the Big Bang make a really loud sound when it banged?

No. For sound to exist it must be perceived. There was nothing to perceive, thus the sound did not exist.

So if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it than it didn't make a noise?

If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

One could say that you = recorder as in the recorder captures all sounds just like your ear would have if you were there.

so are we to assume that all noise-making entities can willfully make or not make noise in the course of their activities, based solely on whether a hearing-capable lifeform or it's representative is present?

or ever present, correct.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

What if the sound caused an avalanche? Did the avalanche happen?

The cause of the avalanche would not be the sound, but the vibrations caused by some action.

Hearing is the process of the sound waves hitting your ear drums causing them to vibrate sending signals to your brain.

Hearing is the process of vibrations, which you call sound waves, hitting your ear drums causing them to vibrate sending signals to your brain. These vibrations become sound when you perceive the sound.

We start with the environmental stimulus, the vibrations, being produced. Next, attend to this stimulus. The stimulus (the vibrations) then hit the receptors (the eardrum). Transduction occurs, creating an electrical signal that is sent to the brain, where it begins processing the signal. We then perceive the vibrations as sound; we hear it. After we perceive it, we recognize it, giving the sound meaning (this is affected by our experience). Lastly, we take action which changes the perception and starts the process over.

Vibrations do not become sound until near the end of the perceptual cycle.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: her209
The real question is did the Big Bang make a really loud sound when it banged?

No. For sound to exist it must be perceived. There was nothing to perceive, thus the sound did not exist.

So if a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it than it didn't make a noise?

If there were no living creatures in the surrounding area capable of perceiving the noise then it would not make one.

So what if a recorder captured the noise with no living creatures around? The recorder isn't living...

One could say that you = recorder as in the recorder captures all sounds just like your ear would have if you were there.

so are we to assume that all noise-making entities can willfully make or not make noise in the course of their activities, based solely on whether a hearing-capable lifeform or it's representative is present?

or ever present, correct.

Um... riiiiiiight. I was being sarcastic... I didn't expect an agreeance. I just don't buy it.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

CLINT

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: DrPizza
No problem for me to perceive beyond infinity. Which infinity, btw? Aleph-nought? Continuum?

No you cannot. You have an idea of "beyond infinity," but ideas are inaccurate representations of actualities. Perception comes only from sensation.

Let's start with this: I cannot fathom all of the integers. I cannot fathom all the rational numbers. There are an infinite number of rational numbers. However, the square root of 2 cannot be written as the ratio of two numbers, regardless of how many you have to use (an infinite number of choices.) Thus, I can perceive something that is beyond (or in addition to) a set of infinite members. 😛

When I walk, ever time I move, I cross over an infinite number of points. Yet, I'm able to perceive motion... some how, I get to a point beyond those infinite number of points.

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: DrPizza
No problem for me to perceive beyond infinity. Which infinity, btw? Aleph-nought? Continuum?

No you cannot. You have an idea of "beyond infinity," but ideas are inaccurate representations of actualities. Perception comes only from sensation.

Let's start with this: I cannot fathom all of the integers. I cannot fathom all the rational numbers. There are an infinite number of rational numbers. However, the square root of 2 cannot be written as the ratio of two numbers, regardless of how many you have to use (an infinite number of choices.) Thus, I can perceive something that is beyond (or in addition to) a set of infinite members. 😛

exactly. Something I tried to explain before with the odd and even number sets.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: DrPizza
No problem for me to perceive beyond infinity. Which infinity, btw? Aleph-nought? Continuum?

No you cannot. You have an idea of "beyond infinity," but ideas are inaccurate representations of actualities. Perception comes only from sensation.

Let's start with this: I cannot fathom all of the integers. I cannot fathom all the rational numbers. There are an infinite number of rational numbers. However, the square root of 2 cannot be written as the ratio of two numbers, regardless of how many you have to use (an infinite number of choices.) Thus, I can perceive something that is beyond (or in addition to) a set of infinite members. 😛

You are not perceiving something beyond a set of infinite members. You are creating an idea of something beyond a set of infinite members.

 

[chambersc]

Infinity is all that ever was/is/will be. Everything.

I really like http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php website.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
Hearing is the process of vibrations, which you call sound waves, hitting your ear drums causing them to vibrate sending signals to your brain. These vibrations become sound when you perceive the sound.

These vibrations/sound waves are sound. They are physical descriptions of what sound is.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Infinity is all that ever was/is/will be. Everything.

I really like http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php website.

damn! thats sweet! very thought provoking. now my brain hurts 🙁



(you gotta click the "imagininfg the 10th demnsion" link in the navagation menu)

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc

Originally posted by: chambersc
Infinity is all that ever was/is/will be. Everything.

I really like http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php website.

damn! thats sweet! very thought provoking. now my brain hurts 🙁



(you gotta click the "imagininfg the 10th demnsion" link in the navagation menu)

Sorry, should have mentioned this.

Credit goes to "silent tone" from this thread.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: her209
These vibrations/sound waves are sound. They are physical descriptions of what sound is.

No, they are vibrations/sound waves, that is why they have independent names and definitons. They become sound when they are perceived.

We start with the environmental stimulus, the vibrations, being produced. Next, attend to this stimulus. The stimulus (the vibrations) then hit the receptors (the eardrum). Transduction occurs, creating an electrical signal that is sent to the brain, where it begins processing the signal. We then perceive the vibrations as sound; we hear it. After we perceive it, we recognize it, giving the sound meaning (this is affected by our experience). Lastly, we take action which changes the perception and starts the process over.