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[akshayt]

what is better between sapphire and gecube in terms of issues and performance.
also, is the card too big to fit in an ordinary cabinet

 

[akugami]

Not to rain on anyone's parade. I have a BBA X1900XT and I'm very happy with it's performance but I had to RMA the first one I got because of artifacting in 3dmark and oblivion. So no manufactorer or manufactoring process is perfect and you would be stupid to expect this of them.

As far as ATI cards, they're all pretty much the same. The main differences are warranty and level of customer service. There are some differences like Sapphire's Toxic X1900XTX and HIS ICEQ III X1900XTX with different cooling but the card is pretty much the same as far as performance is concerned. nVidia allows much more variance in that their partners producing the cards are allowed to sell factory overclocked cards (ATI recently allowed this for certain cards I believe). Basically most nVidia cards are also about the same for each card except some might come factory overclocked.

I'm not sure what computer case you have but so long as it's not a small case such as those built for mini ATX, or smaller like those SFF cases, it should fit in just fine.

 

[akshayt]

a normal ATX, not very big though, of a local brand, is it fine? what are the dimensions of the card?

I want to ask a few things:
1) Rate them in order:
Asus
MSI
Sapphire
Gecube

How much better is 1900XT from a 7900GTX?
Will a antec sp500 do for 1900XT?
can i use 14x aa with 1900xt?

 

[akshayt]

can any body please help.

 

[hardwareking]

The x1900 xt though long will fit in a standard atx case.
The x1900 xt's performance is similar to that of the 7900 gtx,but the x1900 xt offers more features like AVIVO and HDR+AA in supported games.
And ucan't use 14xAA with a single card.To do that u need a dual card configuration,i.e crossfire or sli.
The max the x1900 xt can do is 6xAA(which can be performance adaptive or quality adaptive or just regular AA)
The 7900 gtx can do 8xAA(which can be transperency multisampling or transperency supersampling or regular AA)
But don't let the higher number fool u.The x1900 xt has much better image quality and has the option of high quality AF which the nvidia cards don't have.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: hardwareking
The x1900 xt though long will fit in a standard atx case.
The x1900 xt's performance is similar to that of the 7900 gtx,but the x1900 xt offers more features like AVIVO and HDR+AA in supported games.
And ucan't use 14xAA with a single card.To do that u need a dual card configuration,i.e crossfire or sli.
The max the x1900 xt can do is 6xAA(which can be performance adaptive or quality adaptive or just regular AA)
The 7900 gtx can do 8xAA(which can be transperency multisampling or transperency supersampling or regular AA)
But don't let the higher number fool u.The x1900 xt has much better image quality and has the option of high quality AF which the nvidia cards don't have.

A little biased are we?

While ATI has AVIVO, Nvidia has Purevideo which is just as good, probably even more so at deinterlacing. Other than HDR+AA there aren't many more features for either company.

I would say that performance is similar with ATI winning a few more games than Nvidia at high quality.

As for the IQ. The X1900XT does not have MUCH better IQ. Both cards have options for 16x AF, and with dual cards, 16x AA (Nvidia actually offers 32x I think, but i doubt anything will be able to manage that). What sets ATI apart slightly in IQ is their angle independant AF which is excellent.

-Kevin

 

[hardwareking]

sorry if i seemed biased kevin.
But all the reviews where avivo was compared with pure-video.The nod was always in favour of avivo.
And nvidia doesn't offer 32aax with sli or regular single crads.Thats only available with quad-sli,and we all know how expensive and buggy they are.
And ATI's HQ AF sets it apart from nvidia's best AF offering.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: hardwareking
sorry if i seemed biased kevin.
But all the reviews where avivo was compared with pure-video.The nod was always in favour of avivo.
And nvidia doesn't offer 32aax with sli or regular single crads.Thats only available with quad-sli,and we all know how expensive and buggy they are.
And ATI's HQ AF sets it apart from nvidia's best AF offering.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

As for AVIVO, Nvidia still beats it in deinterlacing. However, what sets ATI apart is that they offer hardware encode support for h.264. Nvidia claims support for decode, but that isn't supposed to happen until the release 85 or 90 drivers.

Buggy? Its not even out yet!? Not only that it is no more buggy than regular SLI!

As for as AF. I never said that it wasn't better. It just isn't like night and day. There is a noticable difference as in HQ ATI uses Angle Independant AF, while Nvidia since the 6 series does not support Angle Independant AF. Both companies offer 16x AF.

-Kevin

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: munky
The cpu should be fine. Though there are defective cards from any manufacturer, I've seen much less ppl posting about RMA'ing a x1900xt than a 7900gt. And a single x1900xt will handle just about any game with maxed out settings at 1280x1024, with the possible exception being Oblivion.

Agreed. I get playable (40+) fps in most games at mid-high settings at 1280x1024 on a s754 3200 Newcastle and my 7800gs, which is has only 16 pipes. Oblivion takes a dip in cities down to 25ish, but for the most part it's smooth. And the 1900XT should smoke my 7800gs right out of the water

You'll be fine.

 

[akshayt]

I want to play games like FEAR, GRAW, Quake 4, COD2 etc at 1280*1024, 4x aa, 16af at the minimum, if possible with 6x aa. OK?

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: akshayt
I want to play games like FEAR, GRAW, Quake 4, COD2 etc at 1280*1024, 4x aa, 16af at the minimum, if possible with 6x aa. OK?

I don't think you'll have problems as long as you don't go beyond 1280x1024.

 

[akshayt]

even if i use amd 64bit 3200 on stock with ordinary 2gb ram in an ordinary/local atx cabinet?

and the game should be fully fluid and smooth, in one word perfect.
OK?

 

[Captante]

I have an Opteron 170 oc'ed to 2.4ghz, 2gb's Kingston value RAM, the A8N-E, X-Fi Ex music & RAID 0+1 on a Promise SATA controller w/ 4 x 7200rpm Seagate SATA drives, along with an X1900XTX oc'ed to the maximum settings in CCC and even so theres no way I can say every game is PERFECT (!!!) @ 1280x1024 with all details maxed!
However "perfect" is a very strong word & I can say that I've yet to run into any problems at all up to 1600x1200 with the exception of Oblivion which can get choppy once in awhile above 1280x1024 with HDR & AA enabled & all distance settings at the highest levels.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: akshayt
even if i use amd 64bit 3200 on stock with ordinary 2gb ram in an ordinary/local atx cabinet?

and the game should be fully fluid and smooth, in one word perfect.
OK?

Hehe, not perfect. Like Captante said, even with top of the line hardware, you'll find hiccups here and there.

You'll get a smooth experience. Perfect? No, not even if you got a new rig every 4 months with the best money can buy at any given point.

Even the fastest system in the world will have to stop for a split second just to load a new texture off the HD. That's the way it goes.

 

[akshayt]

I am getting afraid. my current rig has problems running Most wanted at mid-high with no aa , no af and maybe maximum driver control performance. It is a 6600gt.
The only difference is 1900xt and 2gb ram along with new psu and mouse.

Can I run Most Wanted fine at 1280*1024, maxed out, 4x aa, 16x af?
What about Quake 4?

By perfect I mean the performance that my 6600gt gives in a single player deathmatch in UT04.
Will I get that perfection?
Also, I wawnt both smooth and fast.

 

[CP5670]

Yeah, easily. I play NFSMW at 1600x1200 with 4x/16x and some of the options turned down (shadows, motion blur, and a few other things), which gives at least 70fps at almost all times. In Quake 4 I use the same resolution but without AA at get above 60fps, again about 95% of the time.

You won't easily get it "perfect" though. These two games in particular have frameskipping problems that occur on any hardware. In Quake 4 you can get around it by using settings that always keep the framerate above 60, but NFSMW regularly stutters regardless of the framerate (although it's a lot better than it was on the dual 7800GTs I used to have).

The only games that run truly perfect for me (like constant 85fps at absolutely all times, without having to drop the resolution a lot) are things that are a few years old.

 

[akshayt]

a 1900XT beats dual 7800gt's, right?
also, I want all setting maxed, everything.
What is your cpu?

Will the performance at these settings be less than what a 6600gt does to ut04 in a single player death match?

 

[CP5670]

Depends on the game. In this case, the 7800s were faster in Quake 4 (I could play at 2048x1536 with about the same framerate) while the X1900 is better in NFSMW (had to play at 1280x960 with 2x AA before).

I have an opteron 165 at 2.85ghz, although that doesn't affect most games a whole lot.

 

[akshayt]

i have amd 64bit 3200 at stock

how about serious sam 2 and oblivion

will I get 40-60 fps at 1280*1024,16x af and 4x aa in MW?

 

[CP5670]

Not sure, I don't have those games. You'll easily get that framerate in MW though.

 

[akshayt]

also, your is an overclocked 1900xtx, doesn't that do wonders to your performance?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: akshayt
I am getting afraid. my current rig has problems running Most wanted at mid-high with no aa , no af and maybe maximum driver control performance. It is a 6600gt.
The only difference is 1900xt and 2gb ram along with new psu and mouse.

Can I run Most Wanted fine at 1280*1024, maxed out, 4x aa, 16x af?
What about Quake 4?

By perfect I mean the performance that my 6600gt gives in a single player deathmatch in UT04.
Will I get that perfection?
Also, I wawnt both smooth and fast.

You need to chill out. It is a video card, it isn't a life or death thing!

Not only that, you are comparing your 6600GT to an X1900XT. The X1900 is EASILY 4x as fast and powerful.

Finally, yes it will be perfect on all except Oblivion. THere will be loading delays in every game. While in ANY game, regardless of old or new, there will be a hiccup everyonce in a while. Even with your 6600GT in UT2004 there is an occasional hiccup.

Get the 2Gig and X1900XT/7900GTX.

-Kevin