Can someone prove to me (with benchmarks) that a Mac is faster than a PC??

[Caitiff]

NSF4
"What about USB?
The newest kernel out sopports USB. I'm by no means a Linux guru, and have only just started to fool around w/ it in my spare time, but it takes me back to when computing was done by the guy looking at the monitor, not some corporate weenie doing it for you! I personally had to be dragging into the gui world, and while I admit that it is superior to Command Line Interfacing for many things, the complete control you get w/ CLI can't be beat! It's also a techno-weenie thing. I LIKE being able to script my own proggie that will do (insert common computer task). Given that as little as 2 years ago, the word Linux was used only be used by Serious Geeks, and can now be installed and useable by your average DUH computer keyboarder, IMO very shortly it will be grabbing SERIOUS market share. Dat's my nickel, cuz it's too long to be just a couple .02 cents.

 

[Eug]

(Quotes from different people)

"because the only justification for buying a fast, modern computer (other than professional graphics rendering) is 3D gaming"

Personally I think too many PC guys have an unhealthy zealotry against Macs. Just because many Mac users are zealots (even more so), doesn't mean we have to be.

The current Mac OS currently is poor to mediocre but the bottom line is much of the actual hardware is excellent. If you happen to mostly use software that takes advantage of that hardware (eg. Photoshop) then wouldn't it make more sense to buy that hardware? And part of that decision MUST be partially related to what that person is used to using. Actually a PIII 1 Gig does very well in P'shop, but if person likes using a Mac, there's nothing wrong with that.

That's why people buy PCs to play Q3, but buy Macs to do 2D graphics.

People here seem to think it's sacrilege to make informed decisions, if the decision isn't a PC.


NFS4,

Have you ever used graphics software on a G4? If not, then why are you criticizing people who like it? Windows is a reasonable OS, but it isn't the only thing in the world. I hate Linux, but then again, I'm a home user. It is a VERY powerful OS for specific uses, and a heluvalot more stable than any version of Windows.


"PC user trying to convince a Mac user that their PC is superior? nope, cus we don't need to"

Isn't this what this whole thread is about? No wait... it's more to convince themselves that their PC is superior.

This is annoying. On this Mac to PC issue there seems to be middle ground, both with Mac users and PC users. The other platform is always suck, despite the facts.

 

[Zak]

Jobs is getting carried away. He was let go from Apple before for getting outrageous ideas and he should go now again. He's a good salesmen, buy unfortunately thinks that everybody is stupid and will buy int his bullshit.

Sure, Macs ARE faster in Photoshop, Premiere, etc, but will fall behind in most everything else. They suck for games and 3D stuff. Jobs claims at the NY Expo were ridiculous.

Macs are nice, decently fast and OS is easy to use. They're easy to troubleshoot, etc., but the multitasking sucks and there are no BTO options for cards. I don't know, but Apple relationship with ATI stinks and they should make a deal with 3dfx.

I used to be a hard core Mac user and couple eyears ago switched to PCs for my personal use, games, etc. I still use Macs, work with Macs have a Mac laptop (and 3 PCs), but I'm sooooo tired of Apple crap and ignorance.

Finally, yes... there is way too much bigotry, hate and stupidity on both sides. Mac users flame PC users and vice versa. It's plain stupid.

Zak

 

[NFS4]

<< Have you ever used graphics software on a G4? If not, then why are you criticizing people who like it? >>


WTF are you talking about. I NEVER criticized the Mac USER. You find that statement.

 

[NFS4]

I'm still waiting Eug

 

[Eug]

Well, I was referring to the Steve Jobs and ZDNet reviewer comments. I guess it depends on how one interprets those comments. If only directly at them then I can understand your position (although they are still a bit harsh).

But have you ever used a G4 for graphx progs, or a G4 at all for that matter? You didn't answer my question either.

 

[Lore]

NaughtyusMaximus:

As a web designer myself, I find Netscape to be an indispensable tool. Why? Because it adheres strictly to the HTML guidelines - which means if your website isn't showing up on your Netscape window, chances are you forgot to close a tag or a table somewhere. IE is MUCH more forgiving.

You'll spend 5-8 hours more to make it look right in Netscape because your code was incorrect in IE to begin with. (No offense) If it was correctly entered into Netscape it would have been correctly parsed, and as a result it would produce a great looking page. Of course, Netscape doesn't get the cool on-mouse overs and stuff that you can do in IE with a .CSS file, but again, it adheres strictly to the HTML guidelines and could care less about eyecandy.

Now, about Linux. I run slackware. Not as my primary box, (which is Win2k, by the way) but as an &quot;everything else&quot; box. What do I mean? Well, it's a small dual processor Pentium Pro 150 with almost 128 mb of RAM. And it is always on, always connected to the DSL line. It runs my 25 domain names, (whether I'm slave or master nameserver) my web server, my email, my routing, etc. I don't think my Win2k machine would do that nearly as gracefully. I have never crashed a Linux box either - the times it died was because of power outtages (numerous) and a hard drive failure (once).

The world does not revolve around Windows. The end-user at a large corporation might, but you can bet that the ISP providing that corporation with its Internet connectivity is running a variant of Unix. The home users may use Windows, but again, the companies maintaining that user's Internet access is probably has an environment based on *nix. The world does not revolve around Windows. However, the backend of the connection (Internet) that makes it possible for you to communicate with the world revolves around *nix.

I don't think I'll be using Linux for my personal computer in the near future. I have to say, however, that Linux definitely has a future in the end-user market but already owns the market for the Internet market.

 

[Lore]

I forgot to reply the another claim stated above:

I was at Fry's Shitronics this weekend and I saw two kids using the demo machines to play Unreal Tournament. They were on iMacs and the game was playing pretty fast - no lost frames as far as I could tell and definitely very smooth. The sound was weak, of course, coming out of those 1 inch speakers.

I've always been impressed with Apple's hardware design. I despise the operating system but I have to say that Apple's design is ingenious, neat, and gives PC users a bad face. I have never seen such a neat innards of a computer as the G4. You tear that baby apart and you see a harddrive mounted to the surface of one of walls, you see a cable that is perfectly sized for it, and you see... space. They don't have a ton of cables running around, but I guess that's because it wasn't exactly meant for expansion. Still... very neat.

Their Powerbooks are very well designed too! I've seen hundreds of PC laptops and none of them work as nicely and as &quot;stably&quot; as the G3 laptops. Battery life of a Powerbook is impressive, speed, compactability, etc.

Design of a Mac, the aesthetics of it, the pure genius behind it - it makes it a good all-around computer. I'll probably get flamed for these statements, but know this:

I used to hate Macs with a passion No, I mean it. I tore up every Mac user I could find. But over the years I matured and I realized that Apple had to be doing something right for their sales to suddenly swoop. Most everyone here remembers how Apple almost died several years ago. (Boy, I was sooooo happy then) What were they doing right? I think they engineered a good product. I think they stick to it. And I think they have the innovation to continue.

Yes, it might be slower, yes, it may only be for Photoshop, but heck, if Photoshop wants to run 5 times faster, for the same price as a PC laptop, I'd buy one. Why? Well, if I'm on the road for a webdesign meeting (which is the only reason I'd buy a new laptop right now), chances are I'll just need a text editor and, well, Photoshop &amp; ImageReady.

 

[NFS4]

Yes, I've used a G4 before at school. The pansy blue flavored one I hated it with a passion. Damn single mouse button crap.

I've also worked on Powerbooks and various other sour apple stuff

 

[IvoryGrail]

macs aren't that bad......for video-editing and 2dstuff. But if you want to play games or do 3dwork forget it(I don't want my choices limited to just Maya or Lightwave).

 

[Eug]

Yeah, that mouse is the worst I've ever used. Their new one sounds interesting, but I'll reserve my judgement until I can try it.

 

[Eug]

&quot;I was at Fry's Sh!tronics this weekend and I saw two kids using the demo machines to play Unreal Tournament. They were on iMacs and the game was playing pretty fast - no lost frames as far as I could tell and definitely very smooth.&quot;

Well, believe or not, I ran UT on an ATI Rage Pro based card and could play it smoothly at 640 x 480 with the detail on low. As an fps game it the detail isn't as important. However, once you've have played it with better eye-candy and higher resolution it's hard to go back (unless you're a hardcore gamer). In comparison to what I have now the performance sucked (even though it looked OK back then).

Edit:

Interesting. I quoted your post and was prevented from posting because of bad language. How did you post that in the first place?

 

[LXi]

Oh yea I went there too, I played UT, it was pretty damn smooth and it was impressive because it was to my understanding that Macs suck at these games, it was on a G4, didnt see any iMac. The thing is, they have 19&quot; monitors with the Macs, and they run the game at a mere 640x480 with very low details, even though it was smooth it didnt look very good. The one button mouse is totally stupid, meaning no secondary fire! That sucks big time, and the lack of wheel also killed my ability to change weapon quickly. If Jobs wants to target these at gamers, they better get rid of those crappy mouse.

 

[Soccerman]

oh come on.. &quot;that mouse sucks&quot;

get a new one.. what? don't like the one that came with your Compaq (no real offence). I guess Compaq must suck? ya that sounds right...

that's what you guys sound like..

Macs OS's were cool, still are cool. they may not be as stable as Win2K or NT (I don't know about 9x though, I'll have to try them). the Mac OS simply outclasses PC's os IMHO. the GUI is one of the best IMHO again, though that's a matter of taste.

the thing about u guys is that you hate one part of the mac, and therefor think the rest sucks sh!t.

now, as for it not being good for games etc.. well that's simply becuase there are barely any out there for crying out loud.. the Radeon will give it a nice big speed boost hopefully.. I like the case designs of the G3 and G4 towers. that's some cool stuff (the way you pull out the side.. cool.

Speed wise, to find which is better, you need to have the same video card, same OS (going to have to be Linux of some sort) and as little different as possible. I don't think anyone has ever tried this sort of thing. so Anand would be one of the first to do it (let alone that he has alot of publicity.

Ok, Windows as we all know has become a pretty good OS am I right? the fact that it was spurred on by the success of the Mac OS doesn't bother u? Windows 9x was pretty buggy as most of you know. I personally would like to try a Mac for a good long while to see if all of you're comments about unstability etc are true..

 

[NFS4]

<< now, as for it not being good for games etc.. well that's simply becuase there are barely any out there for crying out loud.. the Radeon will give it a nice big speed boost hopefully.. I like the case designs of the G3 and G4 towers. that's some cool stuff (the way you pull out the side.. cool. >>


They've had plenty of time to develop games. They haven't developed them up this point. I don't think that the Radeon is gonna change their minds one bit They said the same thing when the iMac was introduced and Carmack was all giddy about the Rage 128 on the Mac system. Still hasn't been much progress since then.

IMHO Macs belong in either elementary/middle schools, or graphics design/web design firms.

 

[Remedy]

I thought that you could use Usb Logitech mice with Macs or any 3 and 4 button usb mice with them?

 

[LXi]

Yea you can, but Apple basically ruined our experience with those crappy mouse. It doesnt hurt for them to design a better one and bundle it with their high end machines. I mean, why do people need to buy new mouse just for gaming purposes? It's like you buy a car and you dont like the handle of the steering wheel and so you should spend a thousand or two just to replace that. Even those crap Compaq mice has wheels and 2 buttons.

 

[ltk007]

OK, i use photoshop on my Athlon 700@850 all the time. Do the filters take any time, no. I barely have to wait more than 1 or 2 seconds. Is it worth getting a $5000 mac to wait .5 seconds, NO!!! The only things Macs are good for is decoration (perrrrttttyy colors), RC5 (i'm on crack and I can't quit), and pretty OSes (OSX has window transparency and bigger icons... TRANSPARENCY PEOPLE TRANSPARENCY). I can't believe I actually considered a IMac at one point. Thank God for Anandtech. I actually thought Mac OS was more stable than windows (NT4.0 and 2000 rock!).


Steve Jobs promoting ignorance, stupidy, pretty colors, and the Mac way.

 

[NFS4]

Yeah, down with the astsy fartsy stuff It's not what's on the outside that matters

 

[JPT]

Yup! If you go for a mac because of the cool case, then take a look at the Visual Workstations by SGI. Now those are cool!
I cannot understand how people consider the Mac OS anything good. There is one pc and three macs at work (the rest is all SGIs...) and everyone avoids the macs at all costs, because the damn things are constantly crashing, can't do multitasking, and you have to tell it how much memory to use for each application (duh...). It could be the best processor in the world, but still with such an unreliable OS it doesn't compete with other machines.

 

[xtreme2k]

win2k actually got transparency u just have to enable it

it might have cool vector performance but i think it is lacking some integer perf

 

[Soccerman]

see the thing is, Microsoft is getting just as bad as Mac OS where they bloat it soo much that you basically need 128 megs RAM for Win2K. come ON. what a piece of crap. I'm never going to run that (unless I somehow get it for free... heh heh)

OS X is based on Linux right? If so, all you're arguments about it being a POS when it comes to stability will be nill.

the only thing I don't like about Mac's is that they don't have near enough software. Developers could easily make some good games on the Mac. for some reason they just haven't.

 

[BoberFett]

Just to piss off the Mac users...

http://bbspot.com/News/2000/7/new_macs.html



Edit: OMG I'm a terrible speller lately.

 

[StanTheMan]

mac sucks.
I know mac is better thab pc, but it's only a skindeep
he he he....
yeah, it looks better, but it performs like sh1t

 

[StanTheMan]

I will only use macincosh only and only if microsoft makes a windows OS based on mac. You see, in mac os, we only have 1 button of mouse. It restrict us bcos with windows we have a very powerful right click