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Can someone please explain to me how people shoot up a military base?

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A family member of mine (US Army) is stationed in Monterey, CA. That place looks like it is allergic to guns. It takes a 2 hour bus ride to get to a range.
 
rudeguy said:
TB I value your opinion and input on this.

Can you share a bit of knowledge with me? Is this something that can happen on most bases or only a couple that are really bad?
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It can happen anywhere frankly. Unlike what the politicians try to sell, you can't stop everything all the time.

Most people who do these kind of things plan on dying anyway so you probably aren't going to shoot them first not knowing it's going to happen beforehand. Point being the "everyone has nukes to keep ppl from using nukes" scenario probably wouldn't help prevent people from going on shooting sprees.

As mentioned many times, the world isn't exactly like the movies. Thus, movies.
 
According to WaPo, the shooter took a Biden-approved shotgun, dropped a security officer, and continued his assault with that officer's 9mm and AR-15.
 
it's quite easy as long as you work there.

put firearm in trunk.

drive onto base as normal.

go on shooting spree.


everyone thinks of military bases as uber heavy guarded fortresses. not really.
 
Eureka said:
1) Military personnel are not necessarily allowed to carry weapons on base. They often do not.

2) The aformentioned location is a NAVSEA facility; NAVSEA is military-owned but civilian-run. Many of these civilians are indistinguishable from your everday pedestrian.
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As a military facility, shouldn't there be a Federal Protective Service or Military Police presence? I know it's civilian-run, but IIRC FPS is the law enforcement agency for federal property.
 
rudeguy said:
In my mind, a military base has members of the military in it. Lots of them!

Members of the military are issued guns. Large guns that I cannot buy.

How in the hell does someone pull a gun in such a location without five thousand people putting holes in him within ten seconds? This should be like robbing a gun store but worse. I mean these are soldiers. Trained and armed to the teeth.

How in the hell does someone shoot up a military base?
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I too have watched a lot of TV, and was equally upset to find out the real world wasn't like the shows I'd enjoyed.
 
When I was in the only people allowed weapons for anything other than a class or active practice were the gate guards and ASF (auxiliary security force). That made for 3-10 armed people on the entire base at any given moment. The gate guards can't leave, and the ASF only roves sometimes, so that left no one to respond to emergencies. We called the police, just like anyone else.
 
Apparently, the news is now also making a big deal that this guy was also a loner who played video games.

Using that logic, half of the people here are potential murdering psychopaths. Nice to see I'm in good company.
 
This just doesn't make sense to me.

As a citizen I am able to carry weapons more freely than a soldier on a military base?

Does that sound right?
 
jpeyton said:
According to WaPo, the shooter took a Biden-approved shotgun, dropped a security officer, and continued his assault with that officer's 9mm and AR-15.
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Well, there ya go. We need to outlaw Joe Biden! He's putting dangerous thoughts into the heads of American citizens!
 
TallBill said:
This could certainly happen on any post. It isn't that security is lax or has regular vulnerabilities, but typically shooters at military bases have military training.

I obviously won't go into detail but I've identified ways that this could happen where I'm at. Not saying that installation security hasn't observed them as well, but it also takes a LOT of resources to increase and maintain higher security.
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Stay safe my friend.
 
xanis said:
As a military facility, shouldn't there be a Federal Protective Service or Military Police presence? I know it's civilian-run, but IIRC FPS is the law enforcement agency for federal property.
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There is law enforcement. But you're talking about military areas which can be are tens of miles from one end to the other. Because the entire area is restricted and most of the people in it have security clearances, it just isn't practical to post guards everywhere.

rudeguy said:
This just doesn't make sense to me.

As a citizen I am able to carry weapons more freely than a soldier on a military base?

Does that sound right?
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Yes, that sounds right. As a citizen you enjoy the rights upheld by the Amendments and restricted only by the Constitution. As a uniformed member you are subject to the UMCJ and at mercy of the local CO.
 
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rudeguy said:
This just doesn't make sense to me.

As a citizen I am able to carry weapons more freely than a soldier on a military base?

Does that sound right?
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So...either the military needs more guns, or the citizenry needs less guns.

Is that what you're getting at?
 
How did the shooter(s) entered the building with those large weapons? Those building have armed guards..
 
You people forgot about the psychiatrist that killed around the same number of people and how a civilian cop had to take him down...
 
rudeguy said:
In my mind, a military base has members of the military in it. Lots of them!

Members of the military are issued guns. Large guns that I cannot buy.

How in the hell does someone pull a gun in such a location without five thousand people putting holes in him within ten seconds? This should be like robbing a gun store but worse. I mean these are soldiers. Trained and armed to the teeth.

How in the hell does someone shoot up a military base?
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Derp .


Military bases have more gun control than Chicago. They're locked up in armories and have strict carry requirements to and from a destination. Do you clowns really think that people walk around with M-16s everywhere?

Only people with loaded weapons are the cops.
 
Nintendesert said:
Derp .


Military bases have more gun control than Chicago. They're locked up in armories and have strict carry requirements to and from a destination. Do you clowns really think that people walk around with M-16s everywhere?

Only people with loaded weapons are the cops.
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rudeguy said:
This just doesn't make sense to me.

As a citizen I am able to carry weapons more freely than a soldier on a military base?

Does that sound right?
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Yes and no. You're SUPPPOSED to be, but in truth we're HEAVILY restricted as to what, where, and how we can carry. There are tons of places I can't go, and a military base is one of them.
 
I guess the big question even though I assume I know the answer is was this a military person that was supposed to have access? I haven't seen anything regarding this.
 
ImpulsE69 said:
I guess the big question even though I assume I know the answer is was this a military person that was supposed to have access? I haven't seen anything regarding this.
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Aaron Alexis was an IT contractor who used to work on a HP project over there. Played violent video games too.
 
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