Can someone help me understand thinking that obesity is ok?

[BurnItDwn]

Fat people are fat because its a survival trait to keep some extra weight on the body.

Yes, its possible for fat people to reduce their weight, but only through major long term life practices.

options include, self starvation, work a job which is physically demanding, work out several hours per day.

Please note, that for many people, only doing 1 or 2 of the above will still be heavy.

 

[purbeast0]

Fat people are fat because its a survival trait to keep some extra weight on the body.

Yes, its possible for fat people to reduce their weight, but only through major long term life practices.

options include, self starvation, work a job which is physically demanding, work out several hours per day.

Please note, that for many people, only doing 1 or 2 of the above will still be heavy.

lol for conveniently leaving out the option of eating healthy foods at a slight calorie deficit.

when i lose weight, the ONLY thing i change is what i eat. i don't up my workout intensities and i don't add in any cardio. i simply change what i eat, and what do you know, the pounds come off.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Fat people are fat because its a survival trait to keep some extra weight on the body.

Yes, its possible for fat people to reduce their weight, but only through major long term life practices.

options include, self starvation, work a job which is physically demanding, work out several hours per day.

Please note, that for many people, only doing 1 or 2 of the above will still be heavy.

Self starvation? 500 calorie deficit a day is starvation?

 

[purbeast0]

Self starvation? 500 calorie deficit a day is starvation?

dude that is like a king sized reeses peanut butter cups package. definitely starvation.

 

[Newell Steamer]

It is totes about lowering food intake.

I recently put off 25 pounds because I have been living like a cheap bastard - banana and almond butter breakfasts, sandwich lunches and sandwich/left over dinners (@ $45 a week) VS eating out for every meal (@ $315 a week).

Shut the food hole and do some cardio per week.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Fat people are fat because its a survival trait to keep some extra weight on the body.

Yes, its possible for fat people to reduce their weight, but only through major long term life practices.

options include, self starvation, work a job which is physically demanding, work out several hours per day.

Please note, that for many people, only doing 1 or 2 of the above will still be heavy.

There's a lot more to it than that.

Most people, minus the <5% outliers, are fat because they eat too much, and it's not for survival, it's because of a lack of self control, bad food choices, and a sedentary life style. 9/10 times the person is fat because they're lazy and they eat too much.

"but only" is excuse language. 9/10 fat people could lose their weight by eating right and working out. No buts about it. That's what it takes. But they won't do it because they don't have the will to help themselves.

 

[Safeway]

Fat people are fat because its a survival trait to keep some extra weight on the body.

Yes, its possible for fat people to reduce their weight, but only through major long term life practices.

options include, self starvation, work a job which is physically demanding, work out several hours per day.

Please note, that for many people, only doing 1 or 2 of the above will still be heavy.

Being lean and healthy is the survival trait. Run and kill animal, escape dangerous situations. Being fat is a survival trait for very specific circumstances - famine. We allllllllll fucking know that the fatties around today aren't fat because they need to survive a famine.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Being lean and healthy is the survival trait. Run and kill animal, escape dangerous situations. Being fat is a survival trait for very specific circumstances - famine. We allllllllll fucking know that the fatties around today aren't fat because they need to survive a famine.

But skinny people are still running down animals to survive?

 

[Safeway]

But skinny people are still running down animals to survive?

No, but if he wants to bring up a fucking evolutionary survival trait, I will respond with what that trait was intended to do. Similarly, from an evolutionary stand point, we were designed to be fit, thin, and healthy. We were not designed to be fat. That's just a lack of self-control.

 

[TechBoyJK]

But skinny people are still running down animals to survive?

The inverse doesn't negate the original statement. There's absolutely zero 'advantage' to being fat in modern society. In fact, the harms of being obese are clearly a disadvantage considering what it takes to succeed in today's world. You won't have as much energy as your fit twin. You'll have higher stress levels and blood pressure than your fit twin. You'll be less desirable as a mate compared to your fit twin. You'll die younger than your fit twin. You'll be far more susceptible to deadly disease as your fit twin.

Simply put, the only way to rationalize obesity as a plus is to be delusional and in denial.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The inverse doesn't negate the original statement. There's absolutely zero 'advantage' to being fat in modern society.

Sure there is. If you get fat enough, they let you park in the handicapped spaces. Stores will even give you a little scooter for perusing the aisles because walking is so cumbersome. That's a pretty sweet perk. All it costs is 30 years of your life.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Self starvation? 500 calorie deficit a day is starvation?

Well...yeah. I mean what would happen if you stayed on a 500 calorie deficit forever? Eventually you'd starve to death.

I think some people's bodies respond very strongly to a caloric deficit. Instead of becoming a little bit hungry sometimes, they become ravenous all the time. I'm somewhere in between. On a caloric deficit I'm just hungry all the time. Eating whole, unprocessed foods helps, but the only thing that solves it is to eat enough of anything to gain weight again. Furthermore that feeling of hunger slowly intensifies over the weeks or months that I'm on a caloric deficit, as though my body is gradually increasing the volume of it's warning that I'm starving myself. I've heard enough people claim that they can maintain a 500 calorie deficit indefinitely with the right foods to believe that they MUST be feeling something different than me.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Sure there is. If you get fat enough, they let you park in the handicapped spaces. Stores will even give you a little scooter for perusing the aisles because walking is so cumbersome. That's a pretty sweet perk. All it costs is 30 years of your life.

Heh, Touche.

I actually posted a link earlier in this thread about a terribly obese lady that refused .gov provided treatment because it would mean an end to her benefits.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Well...yeah. I mean what would happen if you stayed on a 500 calorie deficit forever? Eventually you'd starve to death.

I think some people's bodies respond very strongly to a caloric deficit. Instead of becoming a little bit hungry sometimes, they become ravenous all the time. I'm somewhere in between. On a caloric deficit I'm just hungry all the time. Eating whole, unprocessed foods helps, but the only thing that solves it is to eat enough of anything to gain weight again. Furthermore that feeling of hunger slowly intensifies over the weeks or months that I'm on a caloric deficit, as though my body is gradually increasing the volume of it's warning that I'm starving myself. I've heard enough people claim that they can maintain a 500 calorie deficit indefinitely with the right foods to believe that they MUST be feeling something different than me.

The thing is, many of the dietary tactics a healthy person can use to stay healthy are thrown out the window once they become obese.

That's my problem with fatAcceptance. I don't subscribe to personal fat shaming, but I'm going to buck and reject anybody that tells me that obesity is 'ok and healthy'. Why? Because we don't want to convince healthy people that it's ok to let themselves become obese. We don't want people who are struggling with their weight to just give up and become slobs because someone gave them the idea they'll still be healthy if they put on 200 pounds.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Well...yeah. I mean what would happen if you stayed on a 500 calorie deficit forever? Eventually you'd starve to death.

I think some people's bodies respond very strongly to a caloric deficit. Instead of becoming a little bit hungry sometimes, they become ravenous all the time. I'm somewhere in between. On a caloric deficit I'm just hungry all the time. Eating whole, unprocessed foods helps, but the only thing that solves it is to eat enough of anything to gain weight again. Furthermore that feeling of hunger slowly intensifies over the weeks or months that I'm on a caloric deficit, as though my body is gradually increasing the volume of it's warning that I'm starving myself. I've heard enough people claim that they can maintain a 500 calorie deficit indefinitely with the right foods to believe that they MUST be feeling something different than me.

You don't need to eat at a 500 calorie deficit forever. You would only do that until you brought your weight down to a healthy level. At that point, you'd continue to eat at the level that maintains that weight.

Conversely, you could then start to eat at a controlled surplus where you try to maximize lean muscle growth and minimize fat tissue growth.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Being lean and healthy is the survival trait. Run and kill animal, escape dangerous situations. Being fat is a survival trait for very specific circumstances - famine. We allllllllll fucking know that the fatties around today aren't fat because they need to survive a famine.

Hunger and ability to make best use of scarce resources is the survival trait. Think of it this way, if you took someone who tended toward obesity in our modern times and placed them in prehistoric times, they'd be much more likely to flourish than someone who tended toward being thin in modern day times. Neither one of them is going to get enough calories to be obese. The person who can gain weight more easily is going to store more calories, eat more of what they do manage to find before it spoils or is carried away by scavengers, and generally be heartier and stronger than the person who can barely get up to a healthy weight even in modern times. The person who would be obese now would just be healthy then, and that would make them better at running and killing animals or escaping dangerous situations.

 

[SlitheryDee]

You don't need to eat at a 500 calorie deficit forever. You would only do that until you brought your weight down to a healthy level. At that point, you'd continue to eat at the level that maintains that weight.

Conversely, you could then start to eat at a controlled surplus where you try to maximize lean muscle growth and minimize fat tissue growth.

Of course no one stays on a caloric deficit forever, but knowing that you're eventually going to get off of it doesn't change how your body responds to it. That's my overall point, aside from the fact that ANY caloric deficit is just very slow, controlled starvation when you get down to it. You're literally giving you body less than it needs to maintain without dipping into fat stores. That should make you hungry.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Hunger and ability to make best use of scarce resources is the survival trait. Think of it this way, if you took someone who tended toward obesity in our modern times and placed them in prehistoric times, they'd be much more likely to flourish than someone who tended toward being thin in modern day times. Neither one of them is going to get enough calories to be obese. The person who can gain weight more easily is going to store more calories, eat more of what they do manage to find before it spoils or is carried away by scavengers, and generally be heartier and stronger than the person who can barely maintain a healthy weight even in modern times. The person who would be obese now would just be healthy then, and that would make them better at running and killing animals or escaping dangerous situations.

I think I'd rather be fit than obese in prehistoric times. Cause... running.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I think I'd rather be fit than obese in prehistoric times. Cause... running.

In prehistoric times they WOULDN'T be obese. There wouldn't be enough calories for them to get obese. They'd just be fit and strong because they are able to make better use of what calories they did get. That would make them better at running than someone who can barely get UP to a healthy weight with the plentiful, easy to procure calories we have now.

 

[TechBoyJK]

In prehistoric times they WOULDN'T be obese. There wouldn't be enough calories for them to get obese. They'd just be fit and strong because they are able to make better use of what calories they did get. That would make them better at running than someone who can barely get UP to a healthy weight with the plentiful, easy to procure calories we have now.

True, but this just gives credit to the idea that it's diet/lifestyle making most people obese. Not genetics. If they were forced to eat less and work to survive, they'd be perfectly fit.

 

[soulcougher73]

They don't care if you think its ok.

 

[TheSlamma]

It's definitely that our careers and forms of entertainment allow people to be very lazy combined with crazy food availability. Look back at film footage from the 1940's and earlier, roundies were pretty scarce if you can spot one at all. Now bring on the super value meal and the supermarket and even welfare people are the size of baby hippos.

I simply cannot subscribe to any genetics, disabilities/disorders that are just excuses for why people are obese. Show me an obese person and I will show you someone who eats like shit and cannot get off their dead ass. Most vegetables you can eat until you rupture your stomach and still not gain any weight.

 

[SlitheryDee]

True, but this just gives credit to the idea that it's diet/lifestyle making most people obese. Not genetics. If they were forced to eat less and work to survive, they'd be perfectly fit.

Oh I believe that completely. You can't cheat physics. Reduce your calorie intake enough and you'll lose weight no matter who you are or what kinds of problems you have. Any arguments I have about it would stem from the relative difficulty of doing that between different kinds of people. It's just going to be harder for some people than it is others. That's no reason to not do it though. Having a harder go of something than someone else is a poor reason to throw up your hands and give up.

 

[ImpulsE69]

It's definitely that our careers and forms of entertainment allow people to be very lazy combined with crazy food availability. Look back at film footage from the 1940's and earlier, roundies were pretty scarce if you can spot one at all. Now bring on the super value meal and the supermarket and even welfare people are the size of baby hippos.

I simply cannot subscribe to any genetics, disabilities/disorders that are just excuses for why people are obese. Show me an obese person and I will show you someone who eats like shit and cannot get off their dead ass. Most vegetables you can eat until you rupture your stomach and still not gain any weight.

I agree, but the people on a tangent/obsessing about it are more than likely covering up some personal issue of their own.

Or they are really hungry.

 

[William Gaatjes]

There's a lot more to it than that.

Most people, minus the <5% outliers, are fat because they eat too much, and it's not for survival, it's because of a lack of self control, bad food choices, and a sedentary life style. 9/10 times the person is fat because they're lazy and they eat too much.

"but only" is excuse language. 9/10 fat people could lose their weight by eating right and working out. No buts about it. That's what it takes. But they won't do it because they don't have the will to help themselves.

Was it not the case that in the past, in Africa (and other parts of the world) there were certain cultures that saw being big and fat as desirable ? Because it meant that there was a lot of food. See this venus :

Could it not have been possible that those "fat genes" have been cultured by humans ? It makes sense that a healthy and fit person would have all the benefits evolutionary wise. But human culture might have decided differently. Especially when there was and is enough food. It is true that it depends on will power and food intake, but some people might just get a bit faster fat than others.