Can someone help explain lenses to me?

SickBeast

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I have a Panasonic GF3 mirrorless camera on the way and it comes with a 4/3 14-42mm lens.

I also have an old Canon EOS camera with a 30-80mm lens on it which I'm going to use with an adapter.

What is the Canon lens going to do that the Panasonic one can't? How will focusing and zooming work with it? Will I have to do it all manually?

Any info that you guys have would be truly appreciated. Thank you for your time.
 

Madwand1

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Lenses are generally incompatible between brands these days, and while you may be able to get some basic functionality with third-party adapters, they're usually more trouble than they're worth unless you can deal with old-style manual photography, know what you're doing, and have some special reason to use incompatible lenses.
 

sswingle

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The Canon will give you much more focal length at the expense of needing to focus and zoom manually, and possibly losing metering.
 

SickBeast

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The Canon will give you much more focal length at the expense of needing to focus and zoom manually, and possibly losing metering.
What does more focal length give me? I'm sorry; I really need this in layman's terms.
 

sswingle

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What does more focal length give me? I'm sorry; I really need this in layman's terms.

More zoom. Basically the bigger your mm of the lens, the farther you can zoom in. There are other factors that may change this but thats the basics.
 

SickBeast

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More zoom. Basically the bigger your mm of the lens, the farther you can zoom in. There are other factors that may change this but thats the basics.
Cool, thanks.

Is it true that by mounting a full sized Canon lens to my micro 4/3 camera it's going to effectively double my "zoom"?
 

Munky

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Yes, because m43 has a 2.0x crop factor, which effectively doubles the focal length compared to a full-frame lens.
 

Scooby Doo

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Also is this the EF 30-88mm? If so not only will have to manual focus (which isn't bad) but you lose aperture control, unless the GF3 can communicate with the lens (doubtful)
 

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Is it true that by mounting a full sized Canon lens to my micro 4/3 camera it's going to effectively double my "zoom"?

There is nothing special about "Canon" in this respect. This applies to all lenses on your camera, even the kit lens, and it's because of the smaller size of the sensor compared to "full frame" / 35mm film.

People got used to referring to the old 35mm film lenses' focal lengths to describe the field of view, so it's conventional to restate small sensor cameras' focal lengths in 35mm terms.

The 14-42mm your camera comes with is going give you a field of view approximately the same as would a 28-84mm lens on a 35mm film or full frame digital camera. (Which BTW is very similar to the range the 30-80 lens would give on a film or digital full frame camera.)

Similarly, you would double any other lens' true focal length to get the 35mm equivalent field of view for comparison purpose. So that 30-80mm lens would give a field of view on the Panasonic equivalent to what a 60-160mm lens would on a 35mm film or full frame digital would.

There are many sites which explain this in more detail, with pictures. It can be very helpful to see this for yourself, by comparing the view given by the same lens on a crop format camera and a full frame film or digital camera.

http://dpanswers.com/content/tech_crop.php
 
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SickBeast

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Thanks so much for the info, guys. So it turns out my Canon lens will function as a telephoto lens for this camera which is great. I'm really looking forward to trying it out.
 

SickBeast

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Also is this the EF 30-88mm? If so not only will have to manual focus (which isn't bad) but you lose aperture control, unless the GF3 can communicate with the lens (doubtful)
How big of a deal is the loss of aperture control going to be? Will I be able to compensate by adjusting the ISO?
 

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According to info on Canon's new mirrorless, the adapter to use EOS lenses will cost about $200. I'm not sure your small increase in zoom will be worth it.

The Panasonic adapter may be a lot less. Just be aware to price in the adapter.
 
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How big of a deal is the loss of aperture control going to be? Will I be able to compensate by adjusting the ISO?

Loss of aperture control will make it difficult for you to control the depth of field in your photo's, and it will make it next to impossible for you to do things like stop way down for long exposures during daytime to simulate movement in water.
 

SickBeast

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According to info on Canon's new mirrorless, the adapter to use EOS lenses will cost about $200. I'm not sure your small increase in zoom will be worth it.

The Panasonic adapter may be a lot less. Just be aware to price in the adapter.
What Canon doesn't want you to know is that these adapters cost $10 shipped on Ebay.
 

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I guarantee you'll be disappointed with this adapter.

For $10, there are not going to be ANY electrical connections in the adapter. It's just a hunk of plastic that lets the lens mount. You will likely have to do full manual exposure, manual focus, manual zoom and you will lose much of the capability of both the lens and camera.

If you're comfortable simply eyeing a situation and setting manual exposure without any help from the camera, more power to you. I don't know too many people who are, especially not people who have never heard the term "focal length".

Good luck, though, let us know how it works out.
 

SickBeast

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I guarantee you'll be disappointed with this adapter.

For $10, there are not going to be ANY electrical connections in the adapter. It's just a hunk of plastic that lets the lens mount. You will likely have to do full manual exposure, manual focus, manual zoom and you will lose much of the capability of both the lens and camera.

If you're comfortable simply eyeing a situation and setting manual exposure without any help from the camera, more power to you. I don't know too many people who are, especially not people who have never heard the term "focal length".

Good luck, though, let us know how it works out.
Does the $200 adapter give you full auto focus? If it does then I'd say it's worth around $50. That's how much you can get full 4/3 to micro 4/3 adapters for that do the same thing.

I'm fine doing full manual focus with my extra lens. They say that when you're doing portraits and telephoto shots you should go manual anyways. Just because I didn't know much about this stuff it doesn't mean I can't learn. It's not rocket science turning a couple of dials. One is zoom, the other is focus, it's not exactly hard. The only problem is the lack of aperture control.

Seriously though, why drop $200 on an adapter instead of just getting a new lens in the 4/3 format? I could see its use if you have a ton of old lenses but really $200 is way overpriced for what it does.
 

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Loss of aperture control will make it difficult for you to control the depth of field in your photo's, and it will make it next to impossible for you to do things like stop way down for long exposures during daytime to simulate movement in water.

You'll also be shotting wide-open, probably not the best thing with those old 30-80mm lenses.
 

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For $10, there are not going to be ANY electrical connections in the adapter. It's just a hunk of plastic that lets the lens mount. You will likely have to do full manual exposure, manual focus, manual zoom and you will lose much of the capability of both the lens and camera.

iirc there aren't any canon power zoom lenses so he'd have to manually zoom anyway.

for focus he's have to manually control it.

from what i'm reading the gf3 can still do autoexposure with adapted lenses (similar to canon in that regard) but with (obviously) no aperture control. just set to 'A' mode when using adapted lenses.


Hey what about this:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Canon-EOS-EF...397?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2568d64f35

Does it allow auto focus? It definitely gives you aperture control. It looks cool! :)

that's kinda interesting but i wonder if it properly uses f-numbers? of course you'll start with a weird f-number because there's not going to be any way to properly match the adapter's blades to the rear of the lens. so you may have to do several clicks to get any effect and when you do you're at f/2.1 instead of a typical 1/3 or 1/2 stop. autoexposure would deal with it just fine though. if it doesn't use f-numbers to stop things down (and it might not), then there's really no way to reliably use it for manual exposure.

it's not going to autofocus as canon and panasonic use completely different signalling. i've only read of one adapter that actually converted the signals and that was contax autofocus lenses on canon bodies. for the most part its not worth the engineering effort because there's not much demand.

the canon 30-80 is a bit of a rubbish lens so unless you're really hard up for long lenses it's probably not worth doing. you *might* get better results just cropping down from your regular images. though you do get the benefit of only using the center part of the 30-80's image (which is the sharpest part of pretty much any lens).

at $60 that adapter's not worth putting on a 30-80. or, more accurately, the 30-80 isn't worth buying a $60 adapter to attempt to use.


Cool, thanks.

Is it true that by mounting a full sized Canon lens to my micro 4/3 camera it's going to effectively double my "zoom"?
as a fairly technical photo person i hate the term "zoom".

compared to your 42 mm lens the 80 mm long end of the canon will be ~2x "zoomed" but it will be exactly the same as a native 80 mm lens for the panasonic. so, it's not the fact that you're using a lens designed for a 35mm camera that doubles your "zoom," it's the fact that you're using a lens that's approximately twice as long.
 
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SickBeast

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Thanks for that detailed post, ElFenix.

I'm actually kinda glad I got the cheap adapter for now. It will let me see if the lens actually works ok and I will see if I actually use it. If I do, I might go for that $50 adapter with aperture control.

I will report back with sample pics once my camera finally shows up. It's going to be across the border in the US at a depot and I don't even have my passport yet so it will take a bit. Maybe even a month.
 

Scooby Doo

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If you want to use an adapter for other types of lenses and since you're getting a 4/3, look at the much older manual focus lenses (especially the cheaper FD canon's). You'll have full control of focus and aperture unlike the modern auto-focus models.

BTW do you mean 35-80mm? I've got several from old film cameras and honestly I've found the much older manual primes to be as good if not better than them. Now the modern EF lenses are a different story.
 

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Manual focusing is not easy... especially not on that low res screen. You literally won't be able to tell when you're focused unless the camera has focus peaking highlights