LunarRay
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And there is nothing wrong with being an veteran. But, I'll tell you what... I saw that movie 'Full Metal Jacket'... some folks ought not be in the military subjected to the reality of war. Some folks come back and are not right in the head. They need help. They don't know they need help and hardly anyone cares to enable them to get it.
When folks see a veteran with a limb missing folks know he's disabled... but the veteran with bits of mind missing or not functioning don't get the same kind of attitude toward them. It is invisible until it manifests itself on some other human... and even then it is chalked up as something else.
You teach a person to terminate without thinking then put them in situations where they must do that to survive and then bring them home. Some can cope just fine while others are still in Iraq or Afghanistan mentally. Their method to survive entails a mind set that just don't fit into our peace loving society.
Look in the eyes of that guy.....
I used to know a guy who was an army psychologist and later in private life, a highly successful and high functioning member of society, a family man with kids and a great wife, and a person who himself had undergone intensive psychoanalysis as part of his training, and who claimed that the early traumatic experiences of childhood leave us all with life long post traumatic syndrome. It would be quite understandable, at least to me it is because I know it is true, if under those conditions hardly anybody cares. People don't care when they have their own wounds. And as for what you describe as our peace loving society, I would ask you to take another look.
kylebisme
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Sure, "good" people believe structural damage and office fires caused the instant and complete removal of structural resistance from over 100 feet of WTC7, allowing it to collapse with the well documented 2.25 second period of free fall acceleration which it did, eh?
I dont normally call other people names, or insult them. But you're a complete idiot.
And some common sense. ^^
LunarRay
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I can't argue with that! It is ironic that so many wars seem to start or escalate based on some lie... but ya know what... At the time of my adventures I supported the war. I felt we were spot on.. them dirty communistic bad guys ain't going to get one inch of freedom soil... hmmmmm... Gulf of Tonkin... what a lie, 55000 dead, for what?
kylebisme
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I opposed the war, because the arguments presented were full of fallacies and misinformation. I mean no offense to you in saying this, but acting on feelings rather than understanding is exactly why so many wars are allowed to start or escalate based on some lie, and why so much other ill-conceived action is allowed. I am constantly assaulted with an array of emotionally driven arguments whenever I contested the propaganda being spewed by our government and our media, while the facts and reasoning I presented was misrepresented to strawman against me if not outright ignored.
I recently stumbled across an excellent quote from Gore Vidal, where he highlighted this problem:
Granted, lumping Americans together in one monolithic group is an overgeneralization, and of course there are plenty such people all over the world, but in that general sense I contend he hit the nail on the head.
As my father served two tours as a Marine infantry sergeant in Vietnam, and one of my aunts is the daughter of a man who was a prominent south Vietnamese official at the time, I've been fortunate enough to gain some intimate insight into the answer to your question, and would happily participate in discussion on it. That said, here is an excellent documentary on the subject which would be a good place to start if you are interested into looking into the matter.
LunarRay
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Ok Kyle, I'll read that.
I'm in two minds on the Vidal bit. I think age has alot to do with perceptions.
But, I do agree we are gullible to the voice we see as our choice in leadership across all ages. We are simply instruments to be played and they are concert masters sitting in power and no matter who the conductor is the CM keeps the tempo going.
I'm in two minds on the Vidal bit. I think age has alot to do with perceptions.
But, I do agree we are gullible to the voice we see as our choice in leadership across all ages. We are simply instruments to be played and they are concert masters sitting in power and no matter who the conductor is the CM keeps the tempo going.
kylebisme
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I'm quite sure it does, and hope I might be fortunate to live long enough to gain such a range of knowledge and understanding as him.
many are, but being such each individual's own choice rather than any inherent trait, and you are always free to change your mind on such matters.
LunarRay
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I'd agree with the first part and sorta agree on the second. The way I see it is sorta like we act on instinct which is not easy to override with reasoning. I think we somehow grab onto something that sates some need and instinctive behavior takes over. Now some folks grab different things, so don't get me wrong. You may grab onto a systematic approach and react accordingly to the stimuli while I may grab onto a political party and instinctively rely on the Party as the approach cuz they said so.. brain dead iow. I feel that we are 'programmed' to do this much like I've said about religion or god. The mind of the individual enables the ability to be what ever they are. In this case the Democratic or Republican Party is much like a religion and the person in power from either party is the new god and the other side thinks it is the anti christ... You may feel none of that and see, actually see what others are blind too. But that is my take as it answers alot of whys for me. All of the whys actually.
kylebisme
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We, as humans, seem far better suited to doing so than any other creature I have come across so far.
The "somehow" you propose is the act of free choice, and we all have the choice to not allow instinctive behavior to take over.
Rather, I do my best to avoid any such grabbing. Being comfortable with the understanding that I will never know everything, I have no desire to take as fact anything beyond that which is demonstatably true.
Yes, many are heavily programed by Vidal's "good advertisers", in regard to religion, politics, and many other systems of belief which some choose to impose on others. As I see no good in such manipulation, I've never taken any interest in learning to deceive people as such advertisers do. Hence, people who've grown accustomed to such chicanery perceive my forthrightness as harsh, as I simply present the available evidence and propose the most reasonable conclusions on those grounds rather coaxing others into accepting my answers on faith.
We all see things others are blind to, each of us viewing reality from our own unique perspective. Some of us are simply less prone than others to cling to what one might want to see in spite of what is, and hence posses a less subjective understanding of objective reality.
Your take does answer much, but there are far more "whys" in this existence than any one of us could ever even think to ask, let alone answer. I believe Leonard Cohen summed this up well in his Anthem.
Whoozyerdaddy
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