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Can someone explain rationally why we should not have an assault weapons ban?

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spidey07 said:
You cannot refute or argue my bulllet proof logic and facts, so you resort to insults.

That's how I know you are defeated.
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Yeah spidey, if there's one thing you're known for on this board it's your bullet proof logic and facts.

Oh yeah also insane rage, rampant racism, and always being wrong about politics.
 
eskimospy said:
Yeah spidey, if there's one thing you're known for on this board it's your bullet proof logic and facts.

Oh yeah also insane rage, rampant racism, and always being wrong about politics.
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Though you're right about him not being known for his bulletproof logic however, he is correct in the fact you that chose to attack him personally rather than post something relevant to the subject at hand.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Though you're right about him not being known for his bulletproof logic however, he is correct in the fact you that chose to attack him personally rather than post something relevant to the subject at hand.
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Of course I did, I can't remember a single run in with spidey that has been either productive or even interesting. His most notable feature is that he's probably got some sort of mental disorder.

With that in mind exactly why would he merit a substantive response?
 
Disarm the cops.

Cops are killing a lot of people and every time they take a life, that is part of the death by handgun statistics.
 
eskimospy said:
Of course I did, I can't remember a single run in with spidey that has been either productive or even interesting. His most notable feature is that he's probably got some sort of mental disorder.

With that in mind exactly why would he merit a substantive response?
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That being the case why bother responding to him? What lower yourself to making personal attacks against him?
 
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soulcougher73 said:
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I like that 1. The fact is we already know how effective an assault weapons ban will be since we had one in place for 10 years and it did very little to stem mass shootings. Our Gov will probably toss shit back and forth for a few months, pass another assault weapons ban and declare problem solved.
 
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"Gun control laws change nothing, criminals ignore laws." Is not an argument against gun control, it's an argument for anarchy.

Any argument about firearms needs to come from the natural right to defend oneself from threats, any other argument is specious at best.
 
Brigandier said:
"Gun control laws change nothing, criminals ignore laws." Is not an argument against gun control, it's an argument for anarchy.

Any argument about firearms needs to come from the natural right to defend oneself from threats, any other argument is specious at best.
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if this was actually real, we each would need a personal arsenal of nuclear weapons.

The natural truth is humans are not successful as individuals. Our success comes from our ability to function in groups, tribes, and larger societies.

So its a basic fallacy to think the best way for us to be safe as individuals is for every single individual have the means to kill lots of people.

Its irrational.
 
Your right. Successful criminals work in groups each of them being armed.

What is your best defense against this? An "assault weapon" that allows you to quickly engage and shoot multiple targets. An "assault weapon" is the best choice for defense there is.
 
Tom said:
if this was actually real, we each would need a personal arsenal of nuclear weapons.

The natural truth is humans are not successful as individuals. Our success comes from our ability to function in groups, tribes, and larger societies.

So its a basic fallacy to think the best way for us to be safe as individuals is for every single individual have the means to kill lots of people.

Its irrational.
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Its not about nuclear weapons, ugh. Our success does come from the ability to work in groups. Not everyone works very well in groups (criminals? those guys? heh).

An armed society is a polite society. Its only irrational if you have never been the victim of a crime and just don't understand. You aren't going to convince me the cops will get there in time to protect me when I've experienced "when seconds count the police are just minutes away" since I was robbed at gunpoint.

If you want to end up as a crime scene by all means be a defenseless victim. I think around 20% of people in the USA are the victim of some sort of crime. If you are the lucky 80%, great, you are lucky. Its a terrible thing to happen to someone. If you ever find yourself with your life legitimately threatened and there are no cops around, if you can't talk your way out of the situation and you don't have a CCW, you are dead. Bang. Thats what being mortal is all about.

It can actually happen to people, and it probably happens several times every day across the country. People don't get killed in crime because they are stupid, they get killed in crimes because they are very very unlucky. It is never the victims fault they get hurt or killed in a crime, that is ridiculous. A CCW is a last ditch defense. Would you prefer 0% survival or 50% survival if someone had it out for you? Pick 1.
 
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Tom said:
if this was actually real, we each would need a personal arsenal of nuclear weapons.

The natural truth is humans are not successful as individuals. Our success comes from our ability to function in groups, tribes, and larger societies.

So its a basic fallacy to think the best way for us to be safe as individuals is for every single individual have the means to kill lots of people.

Its irrational.
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Explain how you defend yourself or family with a nuclear weapon.
 
OverVolt said:
Its not about nuclear weapons, ugh. Our success does come from the ability to work in groups. Not everyone works very well in groups (criminals? those guys? heh).

An armed society is a polite society. Its only irrational if you have never been the victim of a crime and just don't understand. You aren't going to convince me the cops will get there in time to protect me when I've experienced "when seconds count the police are just minutes away" since I was robbed at gunpoint.

If you want to end up as a crime scene by all means be a defenseless victim. I think around 20% of people in the USA are the victim of some sort of crime. If you are the lucky 80%, great, you are lucky. Its a terrible thing to happen to someone. If you ever find yourself with your life legitimately threatened and there are no cops around, if you can't talk your way out of the situation and you don't have a CCW, you are dead. Bang. Thats what being mortal is all about. It can actually happen to people, and it probably happens several times every day across the country.
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Most crime victims are not murdered. Living with guns increases the chance of being murdered, it doesn't decrease it.

I understand the reason for wanting a gun. Its a matter of control. its the same reason some of us fear flying instead of driving even if its less safe. Its because we feel its out of our hands.

This is not rational thought. Its emotional. For some its a sign of mental illness, such as paranoia.

Now, I don't favor banning driving cars, or banning guns. But when we are talking about the reasons for owning a gun, its worth pointing out that what owning a gun is about..fear and control. Not actual security.
 
Tom said:
Most crime victims are not murdered. Living with guns increases the chance of being murdered, it doesn't decrease it.

I understand the reason for wanting a gun. Its a matter of control. its the same reason some of us fear flying instead of driving even if its less safe. Its because we feel its out of our hands.

This is not rational thought. Its emotional. For some its a sign of mental illness, such as paranoia.

Now, I don't favor banning driving cars, or banning guns. But when we are talking about the reasons for owning a gun, its worth pointing out that what owning a gun is about..fear and control. Not actual security.
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Youre using info from a study that admits in the notes not to use it as such. I dont have a fire extinguisher out of fear, nor do i own a firearm out of fear.
 
Its about security for me definitely. If you can't talk your way out, what do you propose people do? If you are the victim of a crime like that you are 100% helpless, you are at the whims of some asshole criminal until the cops arrive, if the cops are even aware of the crime happening.

Trying to say gun owners are mentally ill is just rich. I can't understand how people can be so naive about crime.

Control is definitely part of the equation because victims of crimes are 100% helpless. I don't know how you can say people who don't want to be a victim of crime are control freaks when they aren't even the ones holding a gun to someone aggressively. Its just being realistic and recognizing that ultimately you might have to defend yourself if you have shitty enough luck.
 
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