Can someone explain "mainstream liberal media" ?

[deftron]

I do not understand the term "mainstream liberal media"?

Does that mean the most mainstream media of media types (newpaper, TV, radio, internet) is liberal?

Or does it mean the type of media the mainstream population prefers is liberal?


If the former, individual media types are usually split or favor conservatism

Radio - Almost completely conservative dominated.

TV - Of the 3 major news channels, one is overwhelmingly conservative (FOXnews), one is liberal (MSNBC), and one is reguarded to as neutral (CNN). Tie

Newspaper - In the 2004 election, 189 newpapers endorsed Bush , 208 endorsed Kerry. In 2000, 179 endorsed Bush, 124 endorsed Gore and 20 endorsed Nader. Tie

Internet - The websites ran by the above sources should folllow their main media type stances. Blogs can be reported by anyone with a computer and there's just as many conservatives as liberals . Tie

Since none of the individual media types are overwhelmingly liberal, it wouldn't matter which one is the mainstream one. However, you could theoreticly use the term mainstream conservative media, if you believed that radio was the most mainstream media outlet.




If the latter meaning is implied, that the type of media the mainstream population prefers, is the "mainsteam liberal media", would that not imply that the mainstream itself is liberal? First, is it not agreed that the people are pretty evenly spit between "liberal and conservative" (as evidenced by the last few elections)? Second, don't both liberal and conservatives prefer a media outlet that is inline with their views? That is why conservatives favor Fox and liberals watch MSNBC

 

[Moonbeam]

A liberal media is one that says anything contrary to the thinking of the American Taliban party, AKA Republicans.

 

[fskimospy]

The liberal media is a common myth among the far right that basically attempts to deflect criticism by permanently questioning the source. With individual sources you can check on someone's potential bias and make a determination. When you indict an entire medium (and the primary means by which Americans receive political information) you allow a huge potential for selective quotation, guilt by association, etc. This makes your claim of bias very difficult to disprove.

Basically, it's a defense mechanism for the right. No matter what you do about it they will continue the same narrative. I've sort of given up on the subject. The myth of persecution is too central to be given up easily I think.

 

[Insomniator]

It is admitted and well known that radio and fox news are conservative, but for some reason liberals refuse to admit that the rest of television and the media in general is heavily liberal.

If you watch the news for 5 minutes, the spin is clear, just as it is if you listen to talk radio for 5 minutes.

 

[deftron]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
It is admitted and well known that radio and fox news are conservative, but for some reason liberals refuse to admit that the rest of television and the media in general is heavily liberal.

If you watch the news for 5 minutes, the spin is clear, just as it is if you listen to talk radio for 5 minutes.

Ok radio is conservative and TV is split


I have cited the newspaper endorsements above being even
Links
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/natendorse5.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...dential_election,_2004



So ... all thats left is blogs.. are you saying internet blogs are the "mainstream media" ?

 

[Insomniator]

Eh good question actually. I wonder if Fox News gets 50% of the news viewers because ~half the country is conservative.

And does NPR still exist? Or do libs just listen to music while driving.

 

[JS80]

Amarillo Globe-News, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Gazette, etc are not "mainstream."

CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network. Fox News minus the commentators gets pretty damn neutral. Center-right at worst.

Then you left out CBS news, ABC news, NBC news, PBS, NPR, etc.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: JS80
Amarillo Globe-News, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Gazette, etc are not "mainstream."

CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network. Fox News minus the commentators gets pretty damn neutral. Center-right at worst.

Then you left out CBS news, ABC news, NBC news, PBS, NPR, etc.

Don't forget virtually all entertainment media, driven by Hollywood after all, is so far left wing liberal it hurts. Kids are growing up in a country where they can go their whole week with nothing but Bush bashing as far as politics going into their heads, and then they go out into the world, confused why not everyone hates Bush as much as they do.

 

[OrByte]

say the words together long enough and you get to believing that mainstream media is liberal

I think there is a term for that.....it escapes my mind atm.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
It is admitted and well known that radio and fox news are conservative, but for some reason liberals refuse to admit that the rest of television and the media in general is heavily liberal.

If you watch the news for 5 minutes, the spin is clear, just as it is if you listen to talk radio for 5 minutes.

That's because it's not. The news media goes so far to present both sides of the story that it has descended almost into self parody. It is centrist to a fault, because it is unwilling to take a side when one side is clearly correct. As someone else said, I swear that if a Democrat said the sky was blue, and a Republican said the sky was orange they would report "Democrats say that the sky is blue, but others in Washington dispute this" and leave it at that. Pathetic.

Oh yeah, and CNN is so liberal that when you look at the sort of hosts they employ what do you have? For right wing commentary you have Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, and Nancy Grace. From the left you have... nobody. Even with such a heavily skewed lineup you still have right wingers complaining that CNN is liberal. Riiiiiight.

The fact that people on here are even trying to cite NPR as liberally biased is flat out hilarious. If you just do some basic reading on NPR you'll find that it's frequently criticized for being too much of a tool of the status quo, too conservative, too liberal, too everything. If all the groups are complaining about you, that means you've hit things about dead on.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: OrByte
say the words together long enough and you get to believing that mainstream media is liberal

I think there is a term for that.....it escapes my mind atm.

Conservatism.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: JS80
Amarillo Globe-News, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Gazette, etc are not "mainstream."

CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network. Fox News minus the commentators gets pretty damn neutral. Center-right at worst.

Then you left out CBS news, ABC news, NBC news, PBS, NPR, etc.

Don't forget virtually all entertainment media, driven by Hollywood after all, is so far left wing liberal it hurts. Kids are growing up in a country where they can go their whole week with nothing but Bush bashing as far as politics going into their heads, and then they go out into the world, confused why not everyone hates Bush as much as they do.

Everyone DOES hate Bush as much as they do. On a score of polls he has recorded the lowest presidential approval ratings in US history since we have been able to measure them. And that's the US... where Bush is the most popular. He's so reviled the rest of the world over that every time I travel out of the country I feel compelled to follow up "hi, I'm an American" with "but don't worry, I hate Bush too". No exaggeration.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: OrByte
say the words together long enough and you get to believing that mainstream media is liberal

I think there is a term for that.....it escapes my mind atm.

Conservatism.

HA! bingo

nooo I was thinking what Bush used to do with 9/11, Iraq, WMDs, OBL, Iraq, Terror

etc etc etc

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

The fact that people on here are even trying to cite NPR as liberally biased is flat out hilarious. If you just do some basic reading on NPR you'll find that it's frequently criticized for being too much of a tool of the status quo, too conservative, too liberal, too everything. If all the groups are complaining about you, that means you've hit things about dead on.

you will get laughed out of the room if you think NPR is liberal leaning.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: JS80
Amarillo Globe-News, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Gazette, etc are not "mainstream."

CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network. Fox News minus the commentators gets pretty damn neutral. Center-right at worst.

Then you left out CBS news, ABC news, NBC news, PBS, NPR, etc.

Don't forget virtually all entertainment media, driven by Hollywood after all, is so far left wing liberal it hurts. Kids are growing up in a country where they can go their whole week with nothing but Bush bashing as far as politics going into their heads, and then they go out into the world, confused why not everyone hates Bush as much as they do.

The more I listen to conservatives, the more they sound like petulant crybabies convinced that the world is against them.

Wahhh librul medea

WWWAAAAHHH Hollywood Celebrities

keep it up, party of wealth and privilege. :thumbsup:

They're like disaffected suburban youth that listen to depressing emo music.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: JS80
CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network.

Great argument! Because some crazy conservatives who think John McCain is a liberal traitor have applied the "Communist News Network" label on CNN, that clearly PROVES that it's got a liberal bias!

People, especially the ones with the most extreme views, tend to think of their own views as the center point. Then anyone who agrees with them is "moderate" while anyone in the center or opposite their views is insanely liberal/conservative.

In reality, you've got a couple networks that are clearly biased one way or the other (FOX to the right, MSNBC to the left), with the rest pretty much in the middle. But because the people throwing these accusations around all think of themselves as moderate, their perception is skewed.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: JS80
Amarillo Globe-News, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Gazette, etc are not "mainstream."

CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network. Fox News minus the commentators gets pretty damn neutral. Center-right at worst.

Then you left out CBS news, ABC news, NBC news, PBS, NPR, etc.

Ummm...no. Having worked at Fox, I can assure you that everything is pretty much edited to assure a highly right-wing slant. The reasons are:
1. It's what Rupert wants
2. It's the reason they make money (they currently have the monopoly on extreme right wing reporting)

 

[smashp]

Thank God those soy-loving, peacenik, Marxist-loving Liberal media types didnt propagate their Hippie shit to the masses when we needed to protect the Freedom and Safety of the US of A and Liberate Iraq. We wanted revenge and needed to fight them there before Iraq casued another 9/11. I mean did Saddam think he could get away with Destroying the World Trade Center?

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: OrByte
say the words together long enough and you get to believing that mainstream media is liberal

I think there is a term for that.....it escapes my mind atm.

The problem is, you've given no reason to believe anything you say here. Nigerian scam artists would also vehemently deny that they're going to scam you. Until there's evidence, beware, especially when all they do is say "trust me" or "say the words together long enough and you get to believing that mainstream media is liberal".

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Eh good question actually. I wonder if Fox News gets 50% of the news viewers because ~half the country is conservative.

And does NPR still exist? Or do libs just listen to music while driving.

NPR is right winged liberal radio. They bend over backwards to include the right without sounding completely stupid. Of course they fail.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: JS80
Amarillo Globe-News, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Gazette, etc are not "mainstream."

CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network. Fox News minus the commentators gets pretty damn neutral. Center-right at worst.

Then you left out CBS news, ABC news, NBC news, PBS, NPR, etc.

Don't forget virtually all entertainment media, driven by Hollywood after all, is so far left wing liberal it hurts. Kids are growing up in a country where they can go their whole week with nothing but Bush bashing as far as politics going into their heads, and then they go out into the world, confused why not everyone hates Bush as much as they do.

The more I listen to conservatives, the more they sound like petulant crybabies convinced that the world is against them.

Wahhh librul medea

WWWAAAAHHH Hollywood Celebrities

keep it up, party of wealth and privilege. :thumbsup:

They're like disaffected suburban youth that listen to depressing emo music.

It's not just the media, I hear from conservatives on here about how scientists are liberal all the time, how the internet is liberal (wikipedia/ATPN), the media is liberal, etc... etc. As far as I can tell liberals appear to control pretty much everything. For some reason they can't seem to turn their world domination into US electoral success though. Whoda thought?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: OrByte
say the words together long enough and you get to believing that mainstream media is liberal

I think there is a term for that.....it escapes my mind atm.

The problem is, you've given no reason to believe anything you say here. Nigerian scam artists would also vehemently deny that they're going to scam you. Until there's evidence, beware, especially when all they do is say "trust me" or "say the words together long enough and you get to believing that mainstream media is liberal".

are you saying there is evidence of liberal media bias?

do you know how many threads we've had on this topic before?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: smashp
Thank God those soy-loving, peacenik, Marxist-loving Liberal media types didnt propagate their Hippie shit to the masses when we needed to protect the Freedom and Safety of the US of A and Liberate Iraq. We wanted revenge and needed to fight them there before Iraq casued another 9/11. I mean did Saddam think he could get away with Destroying the World Trade Center?

LOL...very funny (is that you Monsieur Colbert?)!

 

[deftron]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: JS80
Amarillo Globe-News, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Gazette, etc are not "mainstream."

CNN is hardly neutral, often called Communist News Network. Fox News minus the commentators gets pretty damn neutral. Center-right at worst.

Then you left out CBS news, ABC news, NBC news, PBS, NPR, etc.

Don't forget virtually all entertainment media, driven by Hollywood after all, is so far left wing liberal it hurts. Kids are growing up in a country where they can go their whole week with nothing but Bush bashing as far as politics going into their heads, and then they go out into the world, confused why not everyone hates Bush as much as they do.

So much Bush bashing on Blue's Clues :roll:

Are you saying that people should not have thier individual beliefs because it may influence ignorant people ? Why dont you blame the ignorant people that are politically influenced by those in non political professions?

Entertainment media?

Entertainment industry is kinda you know, for your entertainment, not news


The Christian Coalition movement is driven by for right wingers.
Yet, there's still alot of liberals that go to church.
They somehow know how to differentiate the two.

 

[Duwelon]

Remember all those stories about how lopsided the 2004 election was? The vast majority of Bush coverage was negative, and the vast majority of Kerry was negative on almost all TV and Cable News networks.

The media is overrun, at large, by liberals and it shows, each and every day.