Can someone explain "Creation Science" to me?

[Whitedog]

Intersting stuff Ornery!

apoppin, I applogize for being so hard fisted last night. I'm glad the server locked up (or whatever it did), I needed a nights rest

I just tire of stating something as my opinion just to hear someone cry out "Back that up pal!"


Honestly, I don't think it matters to us how long, or when the beginning of the Earth was. If it were that important I believe God would have been a lot more specific with Moses about what to write. I think God's point was only that He was responsible for it all!

The bible is full of mysteries and parables and such... Why? well, for one, I know Jesus spoke in parables for the reason that his stories didn't just relate to one particular thing in life, but Many things. [edit] Another reason he spoke in parables is to confuse the unbeliever. Only those who believed in him could understand what he was trying to say. [/edit] I don't think God purposly is trying to confuse us with some of His mysterious stories because he doesn't want us to know what they mean, however, I do believe there are "some" things written in the bible that are God's way of telling us "That's not for you to know", or will only be revealed when the time comes we need to know.
Much of the revalation is written in this manner. I've just started a 6 month long bible study class on the Revalation which I am sure is going to produce a Lot of interesting questions.

Anyway, the bible is both literal and symbolic, which has to be interpreted. Not everyone interprets the bible the same, that's why study groups (or the internet) are necessary so that your own opinion doesn't become biased.

I think I've done all I can for the topic of this thread, therefore, I'm outta here!

 

[Whitedog]

OK, Just one more post

apoppin, you asked for what I would use to "back up" my opinion of literal 24 hour days for the creation (and that the 7th day came and went just like the rest of them). Ornery's links provided me with some useful ammo (for lack of a better word )

Exodus 20:11 is a very good statement. I'll paste several different translations if you want me to,

KJV: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
NIV: For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
NASB: For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

All state basically the same thing. I'll paste the KJV once again and bold out what I consider key words.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested(past tense, not resting, or is resting in) the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed(again, past tense) the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 31:17 basically says the same thing.
KJV: It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed

Sounds like he's speaking of something that had already occured.

 

[apoppin]

Good morning, Whitedog.

Actually, I'd like to get Athanesius in here on the original Hebrew translations.

I don't see, however, where "rested on the 7th" day implies the rest is over. Plus my other references to each of the preceeding 6 days having an ending and no mention of the 7th day ending (which was not even brough up in Ornery's links).

I guess my argument hinges on whether we are talking about a day from God's viewpoint or man's.

Anyway, we are in absolute agreement on one thing - that the Universe including the earth and life on it had a creator - an intellegent designer - God. That life did not begin by abiogenesis.

 

[Windogg]

BMW X5 3.0

 

[apoppin]

Well, I couldn't find any reference by Athanasius to "rested" and he isn't on today. However, his answer to Pyro in the other evolution thread gives us an idea of "in the beginning" and a possible time-frame reference.

<<The Original Hebrew does not say that God directly created the earth first and then, at some point later, created the rest of the universe. Genesis 1:1 says, &quot;In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.&quot; In verse 1, &quot;created&quot; is a Hebrew word that applies only to God and corresponds to &quot;directly caused.&quot; Genesis 1:2 then says, &quot;Now the earth was formless and void.&quot; In the Hebrew, verse 2 begins with the noun &quot;earth&quot; and has a conjunctive prefix on it. To make a long story short, this grammatical construction represents a break in the narrative. The emphasis shifts from &quot;the universe in general&quot; (&quot;heavens and earth&quot to the earth in particular. In other words, everything after verse 1 is spoken from earth's perspective. It represents how things would appear if one were standing on planet earth, not how they would appear if one were outside the universe looking in. It's all relative to earth's perspective. If you were standing on planet earth, the events would appear to unfold in the same sequence as Genesis 1 lays out.>>

 

[Whitedog]

Say again Windogg? hehe

Apoppin, I don't need another translation. I'm sure the &quot;team&quot; of people that made those are more than qualified.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. You see things and believe things however you want to. I'll do the same.

I choose not to argue over what a day is to the Lord compared to what a day is to man.

I will say this much, in my years of study and teachings... the word &quot;like&quot; is used to indicate symbolism. Used throughout the bible by many different authors.

NIV
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

A complete search for the word &quot;like&quot; in the book of Revelation

The above link shows many many verses using &quot;like&quot; in a symbolic fasion, found throughout the bible.

Whenever I read a verse that uses the word &quot;like&quot; in such manner, I interpretate it as symbolic. I was taught this many years ago, and have read this in many books.

I could not find any other referrences in the bible that associate a day with a thousand years other than the two above. If there are any others, please let me know.
In both verses, the term like is used indicating it is being symbolic.

I guess that's the basis of what I stand behind.

 

[Whitedog]

Why do I continue to post in this thread? hehe Cut it out Apoppin!

 

[apoppin]

Does that mean a day &quot;is symbolic of&quot; (or &quot;stands for&quot; or &quot;means&quot; or &quot;as&quot; or &quot;is like&quot a thousand years?

That's what I am trying to say. That the Genesis day can stand for (can be symbolic of) &quot;God's creative day&quot;; not a literal 24-hour day.

Note that some Bible translations translate &quot;rested&quot; (in Exodus 20:11) as &quot;proceeded to rest&quot;.

EDIT: I just read your last post
&quot;Cut it out Apoppin&quot;.

OK, I'll (proceed to) rest (my case) for now.


But I would like to bring Athanasius into this later for the scholarly Hebrew intrepretation . . .

 

[Whitedog]

 

[Ornery]

• Windogg Passing Through...

 

[apoppin]

Thanks for clearing up Windogg's BMW reference, Ornery.