Can someone explain commodities futures to me?

fuzzybabybunny

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From what I understand, a future is simply a contract stating that you'll buy or sell a certain thing at a certain time in the future for a certain amount of money.

An example of a commodities future:

You and Bob enter into a contract stating that you'll buy 10,000 kilos of coffee from Bob in two months for $10,000.

At this time no money or coffee actually exchanges hands.

After two months, you give Bob $10,000 and Bob gives you 10,000 kilos of coffee.

After two months, if the selling price of coffee is $2/kg, you just scored a great deal on your gamble on the future price of coffee because you bought at $1/kg (and can re-sell for $2/kg) and Bob is at a loss (because he could have sold to someone else at $2/kg). On the flip side, if coffee is $0.50/kg, you're obligated to buy at Bob's $1/kg price, so now you've got 10,000 kilos of coffee sitting around somewhere that you bought at $1/kg, but you can only re-sell it at the current market price of $0.50/kg.

The part that I don't understand is how does this all work for the common trader sitting at a computer?

If I enter into a futures contract and two months later spend money at the agreed-upon price on the agreed-upon items, do I then physically own that item? Do I actually have 10,000 kilos of coffee sitting in a warehouse somewhere, requiring the payment of daily warehouse fees and the threat of spoilage after a month unless I can re-sell all that coffee? What's actually going on in the background?

Or is a futures contract simply a bet on the price of an item, not on the item itself? So two people who have absolutely no connection to coffee and have zero physical stores of coffee simply enter into a bet that states they'll pay each other money at whatever market price coffee happens to be at at a certain point in time?
 

Crono

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Everything I know about commodities futures I've learned from Trading Places.

Luckily I'm not a commodities trader. :D
 

Billb2

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You put the pork bellies and the OJ in a blender for 30 seconds. Then you boil the mixture and add it to your bath water...

But back on topic...

Yes, when the contract comes to term you either take delivery of the beans from the seller or supply the beans to the buyer.

But as a trader you don't let the contract come to term. You sell the contract before that for a profit or loss.

Generally, the longer the time is to the end of the term the more likely the price will change due to facts unknown at the time the contract is purchased, ie coffee demand (How's Starbucks doing?), rainfall, civil war, act of god, etc..

As the term of the contract gets closer there is less chance of unknown factors changing the price so the contract price will be closer to the actual, final price, and so the chance or making a profit or having a loss will be less.

The real purpose of the futures contract is to allow the grower and the coffee house to fix their selling/purchasing price so that they are not subject to unknown market forces in the future.

And a word of warning: There are people much better at this that you and you will get screwed.
There are many large financial institutions that engage if flash trading futures contracts, They will kill you, so says one of my kids who used to write flash trading algorithms for one of them. Someone asking questions about futures trading on a consumer technical forum has about as much chance making money in futures as betting on double zero in roulette.
 
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rcpratt

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You can trade commodity futures without actually ever committing to take delivery of fifty trucks of coffee beans. Look up commodity ETFs.