They're never quite able to answer that. There are 2 or 3 people on here who use that repeatedly in discussions about Obama, but every time they are asked to point out posts or whatever that support this view they seem to ignore the question.
Vic
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I'm sure they can't because they are the only ones saying this.
I have come to the conclusion it is the conservatives' 'white guilt' that is plaguing them.
Because what they don't understand about liberalism, the driving philosophy of this country since it was founded, is that liberals don't care that Obama is black. This is the land of equality and opportunity, remember? I honestly do not care anymore than if I was in charge of hiring a new employee and one of the applicants was black.
Why should I? And before any brings up some 'ghetto culture' point, keep in mind that in that example I'd be just as likely to overlook a 'wigger' as not.
Here's something likely to horrify BB. My city elected a gay man as the new mayor this May, and I voted for him. And not because he was gay. And I really don't like Sam Adams' politics either. So why did I vote for him? Because he was the most qualified candidate running for the job. His opposition looked like the unlikely guy who pulled short straw, it was that bad.
You implied that Obama has been untruthful, I ask for evidence, you don't show any.
More hyperbole and unsubstantiated opinion.
Nice rant.
I would not vote for Obama because his plans is to stop the war and I believe if we do just stop it and leave, then we automatically loose. The terrorist can rebuild and plan another major attack on us....
we have to finish what we started... and thats what mccain believes in!
we have to finish what we started... and thats what mccain believes in!
Originally posted by: OrByte
I will vote for him because I want him to seat the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices. That is my main concern for the next POTUS. I don't want McCain to send selections to congress.
I will also vote for him because he will work to reverse GWBs tax cuts. I know McCain in 2001 said he was against GWB's tax cuts and now he is actually saying he will extend the same tax cuts he once opposed.
I will also vote for him because of his common sense and intelligent approach to Iraq and Afhganistan. He was against it (Iraq war) from the start and that is all that really matters imho. I will trust his decision making ability, and the ability of his advisors over the group that McCain will employ...and my fear there is that with McCain, it will be more of the same numbfvckinnuts people that GWB trusted.
The same goes for economic policy. I trust Obama's ability and approach moreso than McCain...and I do not trust that McCain will employ individuals that will advise him any differently than those that ran this country into the ground under GWB. Maybe George's "Ownership society" policy approach wasn't the best idea since it seems the only people taking ownership of anything these days are the top 1%. We need to reevaluate that approach and I trust Obama's team to change our countrys course appropriately.
what you fail to understand is that the, "I don't like the other guy" thought process is regularly employed (and rightfully so) to select candidates that do not always fall in line with your individual wants and needs. There are no perfect candidates, you vote for the guy that lines up as closely to what you want because the "other guy" doesnt. Just because I dont agree with Obama with his FISA vote doesn't mean im running over to the McCain side. HRC supporters should consider that BHO and HRC are essentially the same as far as policy goes. Just because you don't trust BHO you are going to run over to McCain? Hell I dont trust BHO either, but I trust McCain even less. I don't trust anyone in our two party system these days. We need to shake it up and root out the career politicans. But thats another thread.
In actuality though, the SC nominations are what really drives my vote. Everything else is secondary.
There i've said it.
THAT'S the type of response I was hoping for.
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I'm a life-long Democrat, but I'm not a Obama supporter. Will I vote for him? Given the choices, probably. Will I like it? NO.
Once again, the super-liberals in the Democratic party gave us crappy choices, which seems to always lead us to having to choose the candidate we dislike the least.
I didn't like Hillary Clinton one bit, but did feel like she MIGHT have made a better president than Barrack Obama.
Folks want to bash and slam Obama? It's fine with me, as long as they use truthful arguments instead of the typical lies and misinformation to try to detract from the terrorist fist-basher...
Hell, we can start bringing up the "Manchurian Candidate" issues with McSame...do I believe they're true? Nope, but truth rarely plays a part in political hackery.
Once again, the super-liberals in the Democratic party gave us crappy choices, which seems to always lead us to having to choose the candidate we dislike the least.
I didn't like Hillary Clinton one bit, but did feel like she MIGHT have made a better president than Barrack Obama.
Folks want to bash and slam Obama? It's fine with me, as long as they use truthful arguments instead of the typical lies and misinformation to try to detract from the terrorist fist-basher...
Hell, we can start bringing up the "Manchurian Candidate" issues with McSame...do I believe they're true? Nope, but truth rarely plays a part in political hackery.
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McCain is a lying hypocirit that takes tons of money from lobbyists, with nothing positive to say at all, his big message for the past 8 weeks is that Obama was wrong on the surge. LOL... Bit that is reasons not to vote for McCain, not reasons to vote for Obama.
1. Intelligence. The man is brilliant and has great ideas on how to handle everything... Economy, War, Terrorism, international politics.... you name it, he gets it.
2. Judgement. He IS the only candidate that saw this war what it was - BS, MCCain just a few months ago still said we would be there 100 years, then when he saw how it pissed everyone off, backed it down to 2013... Now he says 16months is OK (OBAMA SAID 16 MONTHS ALL ALONG!) and McCain says Obama was wrong on the war while simultaneously moving to Obama's position.
3. Integrity - He deos not allow money from lobbyists (McCain's whole staff was lobbyists (until it was made public).
4. Social issues - He is liberal socially - No need fo narrow minded conservative for me.
1. Intelligence. The man is brilliant and has great ideas on how to handle everything... Economy, War, Terrorism, international politics.... you name it, he gets it.
2. Judgement. He IS the only candidate that saw this war what it was - BS, MCCain just a few months ago still said we would be there 100 years, then when he saw how it pissed everyone off, backed it down to 2013... Now he says 16months is OK (OBAMA SAID 16 MONTHS ALL ALONG!) and McCain says Obama was wrong on the war while simultaneously moving to Obama's position.
3. Integrity - He deos not allow money from lobbyists (McCain's whole staff was lobbyists (until it was made public).
4. Social issues - He is liberal socially - No need fo narrow minded conservative for me.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
How so?Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Vic
Because the only other option is to vote McCain?
Your logic doesn't make much sense to me. First, we don't have any of these 'howling jackal' Obama supporters here. Quite the opposite, all the howling jackal types here are the Obama hating kind, who go daily from one desperate lie to another. Maybe those types of Obama supporters you speak of exist on other sites, in which case you should go complain about them there and not here.
Second, you appear to be a Hillary supporter, but your argument for voting against Obama is based almost entirely off Bill Clinton's record. This makes no sense.
Hah, I think this post just proved the OPs point.
It didn't. Corbett is just a hack.
Your inability to answer the OP's question shows why his point is correct. Instead of giving reasons WHY you are voting for Obama, you instead decided to attack those who dont support Obama.
Looks like someone bases their vote on what they learned from their parents who get their political information from chain letter Emails.
Many have answered the question and it was a troll thread to begin with.
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1. Sadly intelligence is NOT an indicator of a successful President. And where are all these great ideas? Every time the man speaks all we get is big fancy words with no specifics to back them up.
2. Obama said 16 months all along? Are you sure about that? What about this July 04 speech? ?There?s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush?s position at this stage.?
3. Yet the ONLY way he could buy the house he lives in was to make a deal with a lobbyist who has since been convicted of several crimes. Let me think about it... McCain takes political donations from lobbyists for political gain, Obama makes deals with lobbyists for personal gain....
4. To each his own.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
1. Sadly intelligence is NOT an indicator of a successful President. And where are all these great ideas? Every time the man speaks all we get is big fancy words with no specifics to back them up.
2. Obama said 16 months all along? Are you sure about that? What about this July 04 speech? ?There?s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush?s position at this stage.?
3. Yet the ONLY way he could buy the house he lives in was to make a deal with a lobbyist who has since been convicted of several crimes. Let me think about it... McCain takes political donations from lobbyists for political gain, Obama makes deals with lobbyists for personal gain....
4. To each his own.
Obama also eats babies and is the devil. McCain's body expels sunshine and gasoline when he talks.
Originally posted by: Robor
Sorry if the truth hurts.
It's not a troll thread. I was genuinely interested. I asked because I have yet to hear a single person I know that's voting for him say WHY they're voting for him. There were a couple cogent replies in this thread from people voting for him, but again, 3/4s of it was people going berserk that anyone would question this guy..
I can't find a way to vote for McCain because all he can do is bash Obama. That leaves Obama as the only other candidate with a chance at winning.
And all Obama does is bash the current administration and how McCain is no different than them. It works both ways.
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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
How so?Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Vic
Because the only other option is to vote McCain?
Your logic doesn't make much sense to me. First, we don't have any of these 'howling jackal' Obama supporters here. Quite the opposite, all the howling jackal types here are the Obama hating kind, who go daily from one desperate lie to another. Maybe those types of Obama supporters you speak of exist on other sites, in which case you should go complain about them there and not here.
Second, you appear to be a Hillary supporter, but your argument for voting against Obama is based almost entirely off Bill Clinton's record. This makes no sense.
Hah, I think this post just proved the OPs point.
It didn't. Corbett is just a hack.
Your inability to answer the OP's question shows why his point is correct. Instead of giving reasons WHY you are voting for Obama, you instead decided to attack those who dont support Obama.
Actually, yes I did give my reason why I am voting for Obama. Because the only other option is to vote for McCain.
The rest of that post was not an attack, but a legitimate criticism of the OP's flawed logic.
Quit trolling, hack.
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Originally posted by: DomS
Originally posted by: Robor
Sorry if the truth hurts.
It's not a troll thread. I was genuinely interested. I asked because I have yet to hear a single person I know that's voting for him say WHY they're voting for him. There were a couple cogent replies in this thread from people voting for him, but again, 3/4s of it was people going berserk that anyone would question this guy..
Considering that no Obama supporter has gone 'berserk' in this thread like you say, I'm going to consider this proof of your trolling.
This isn't rocket science, guy. If you really were a Hillary supporter, then you would have to do a complete 180 on the issues in order for you to support McCain over Obama.
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