Can someone civily explain why they would vote for Obama?

[Hayabusa Rider]

For me it's that I don't want a continuation of Bush's policies. I don't LIKE voting for someone who's not a Second Amendment supporter, but I don't like the 4th amendment assaults either. I'm hoping that Obama is the lesser of the two evils.

 

[sportage]

I see some neocon really pissed Obama is getting all the attention on his trip.
Some losers don't lose very gracefully...

 

[Deeko]

Your post was long and I didn't read beyond the first paragraph.

I am voting for Obama because I don't want to vote for McCain. McCain is essentially Bush Jr and seeing as I am among the 82% of the country that does not approve of George Bush, I will not be voting for McCain.

What I'm curious about is the 20some% of people that do not support Bush, that do support McCain, seeing as they're basically clones.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I'm republican but I think I'm going to vote for him and hope he only gets a 4 year term. McCain scares foreigners more than bush does, because he's actually been to war, seems to have an axe to grind about wars, and I just don't think our country can take another 4 years of war mongering. We need a president with a peaceful image, something different than the typical white guy. I just hope his policies don't jack up the country too much, that he pretty much plays his part honestly, does what he thinks is right, and after a few years of image repair, we put in a more hardass president again.

Interesting. You would rather have a 'hardass' guy as president and when he screws up you prefer a peaceful guy to do image repair. So we alternate between a hardass and a good guy.

Personally I would prefer to see a good guy all the time and stay away from wars at all times, unless necessary to defend the country.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Deeko

What I'm curious about is the 20some% of people that do not support Bush, that do support McCain, seeing as they're basically clones.

I disagree with your assertion that they're basically clones, and I think the core problems with the Bush administration lie with Bush himself, his incompetence and his reliance on loyalty/gut instinct over qualifications and facts, more so than any specific policies that he might overlap with McCain on.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

I find that most Obama supporters in my age range (18-21) are endowed by him simply over the publicity and easy to follow message his campaign is sending. While the Republicans are no better in my mind, the Democrats are the weakest bunch of them all.

The past two presidential campaigns (and even the piss poor Senate elections in 2006) run by the Democrats had no agenda of itself; they simply bashed the misdoings of the other party, and that's generally enough to gain the favor of the people, whether they get their news from the paper or MTV. This is where most Obama supporters I've met fall short; they can tell you what they don't want, or what they won't do (in the past 8 years under Bush), but not what they want or how they are going to accomplish that. What has the Senate done that it campaigned on in '06? What will Obama do that he campaigns on now?

It's easy to point the finger. And that's enough to secure votes these days.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Deeko

What I'm curious about is the 20some% of people that do not support Bush, that do support McCain, seeing as they're basically clones.

I disagree with your assertion that they're basically clones, and I think the core problems with the Bush administration lie with Bush himself, his incompetence and his reliance on loyalty/gut instinct over qualifications and facts, more so than any specific policies that he might overlap with McCain on.

I used to like McCain a lot more. As recently as last year before the primaries got underway I said I wouldn't know who to vote for if the election were Edwards vs McCain (the two candidates I preferred from their respective parties). However, as time goes on, McCain seems to be more and more touting the Bush administration's line, and I don't really like that.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Robor
In re-reading the OP... Anyone find it odd that a Clinton supporter can't even spell 'Hillary' right? I don't mean to nit-pick but 7x?

I'm re-reading the OP and I can't help but shake the feeling this guy is PJ or one of his cohorts.

and this is nothing but chain-mail spam.

OP- do you disagree that Hillary's and BHO's platform were essentially the same?

 

[Young Grasshopper]

DomS = John McSame

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: DomS

Originally posted by: Vic
Because the only other option is to vote McCain?

Your logic doesn't make much sense to me. First, we don't have any of these 'howling jackal' Obama supporters here. Quite the opposite, all the howling jackal types here are the Obama hating kind, who go daily from one desperate lie to another. Maybe those types of Obama supporters you speak of exist on other sites, in which case you should go complain about them there and not here.
Second, you appear to be a Hillary supporter, but your argument for voting against Obama is based almost entirely off Bill Clinton's record. This makes no sense.

Really now?? What part the country are you in? We have a TON of the howling jackal obama supporters in the Northeast.


I was a hillary supporter yes, but my reason for voting against obama is that he has no tangible platform, no experience, is as big a fraud as I can remember on a democratic ticket, and is completely unqualified to run the country as he has no experience with adversity, since the media's tongue has been squarely nestled in his hind-quarters for a couple decades now.

I'm not saying I'd vote for Mccain...but I'm definitely not voting for obama.

My profile is public here. I live in Portland, OR. Where yes, we have tons of 'howling jackal' Obama supporters. I'm sure I could find 'howling jackal' McCain supporters in the Deep South too. So what?
But that's not what I said. What I said was that we don't have any of those types here on this forum, so if you want to complain about them, go to some forum where they do. Like NoQuarterUSA.net

:roll:

And really, you're coming off as one of the 'howling jackal' Clinton supporters. You sidestepped my comments, ignored where I pointed out your poor logic, and then come back with nothing but meaningless unsupported opinion. What if I were to say that the only reason Hillary had a shot and got favorable media was because she is a woman and married to Bill Clinton? I bet that would piss you off, right? And rightfully so IMO.

Okay, now look at your own posts, hold up that mirror to yourself, and get a clue.

It's hard to argue that but she has experience , compared to Obama.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: bamacre
I didn't say you should. Just that there are actually more than two choices.

Maybe but until things change and it doesn't come down to Choice A or Choice B a vote for Choice C is the same as the winner of A and B.

Regardless of popular belief, nothing is ever gonna change if people keeping voting for A or B.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper
I am not hugely into politics. I do not follow McCain or Obamas past, and what they have accomplished and so forth. But the reason I support Obama is because of his heavy opposition of the war and wanting to get out, and his support for alternative energy sources. John McCain says rediculous things like him wanting to stay in Iraq 100 years if need be, his advisors telling the public to 'stop whining' about the economy. Curing our oil addiction by drilling for more. Criticizing Obama about how we will 'lose the war' if we pull out of Iraq too soon. Nobody cares about 'winning or losing' the war you fucking idiot. These people hardly put up a fight so how could it be a war in the first place. We invaded thier country on zero grounds so I can imagine why there might be some upset people. I don't really give a shit if he has experiance over Obama, George W Bush had 'experiance' as well. I'd rather take the unknown then another 4 year term of Bush.


This guy is just another stubborn old man who is out of touch with what is going on in America. It sure as hell doesn't help that his advisors are as well.

McCain supports alternative energy, the biggest difference I see is that one is for drilling the other is against, what is the tome line the Obama predicts before "alternative energy" will be a mainstream viable option?

I have a feeling we will get the unknown, that's why I would like to see him answer some tough questions without whining about it.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: bamacre
I didn't say you should. Just that there are actually more than two choices.

Maybe but until things change and it doesn't come down to Choice A or Choice B a vote for Choice C is the same as the winner of A and B.

Regardless of popular belief, nothing is ever gonna change if people keeping voting for A or B.

What if you don't like Choice C either?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Your post was long and I didn't read beyond the first paragraph.

I am voting for Obama because I don't want to vote for McCain. McCain is essentially Bush Jr and seeing as I am among the 82% of the country that does not approve of George Bush, I will not be voting for McCain.

What I'm curious about is the 20some% of people that do not support Bush, that do support McCain, seeing as they're basically clones.

And we get to pick from two Senators that are collectively getting a 9% approval ratings.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Vic
Because the only other option is to vote McCain?

Your logic doesn't make much sense to me. First, we don't have any of these 'howling jackal' Obama supporters here. Quite the opposite, all the howling jackal types here are the Obama hating kind, who go daily from one desperate lie to another. Maybe those types of Obama supporters you speak of exist on other sites, in which case you should go complain about them there and not here.
Second, you appear to be a Hillary supporter, but your argument for voting against Obama is based almost entirely off Bill Clinton's record. This makes no sense.

I fear that being locked into he is the only other option is being ruled by the media. Why is he the only other option? We are played as a populace to eat the food that they are serving, yet we hold the capacity to make our own. Until we do though we are left with no choice at all, the two party plutocracy is just as repugnant on either side, to the point of not being a choice at all.
As far as having to create desperate lies to criticize Obama, there is no need as he makes all of the argument one would ever need for those who would have ears to listen.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

First, we don't have any of these 'howling jackal' Obama supporters here.

They don't howl, but they do hoot. Start a thread that criticizes Obama--even with some legitimacy--and responses will flood in about how the poster and or his statements are so completely off base that it's hilarity/stupidity to even say such things. There is not a single thread of real size in which a lot of people are mostly in agreement over a legitimate problem with Obama, such as his promise and subsequent withdrawal from his promise about filibustering TELCO immunity. There will always be some spin somewhere like it was the right thing to do. People are in fact buying into him without critical thought.

I did this too for a while. It was fun, but then when I realized he's actually not promoting any plan that will positively affect the middle class (lowers, sure, but not middle) except possibly avoiding a war that McCain would be more likely to get us into, I see no real leadership. I don't care about experience if it's behind a strong trend-bucking wise-before-his-time candidate, but Obama isn't that person. What public accomplishments does he have under his belt? He has done NOTHING of real merit. You hear of guys like Lieberman, Dodd, McCain, these are household names not just because of their age but because they're always behind real plans for change. Obama is a lip piece, he has been under the radar until this campaign. He doesn't bring enough to the table.

I would agree, look to the replies to such threads. They almost always steer clear of the subject at hand and end up being a personal attack or critique on any detractors sanity.
My biggest worry about him is that he is a great speaker, who's words don't seem to deeply entrenched at best and deceitful at worst.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: bamacre
I didn't say you should. Just that there are actually more than two choices.

Maybe but until things change and it doesn't come down to Choice A or Choice B a vote for Choice C is the same as the winner of A and B.

Regardless of popular belief, nothing is ever gonna change if people keeping voting for A or B.

What if you don't like Choice C either?

Choose D, E or F? Heck pick 5, exersice your freedom of choice.

But alas Devo said it best, "Freedom of choice, is what you got...... Freedom from choice is what you want."

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper
I am not hugely into politics. I do not follow McCain or Obamas past, and what they have accomplished and so forth. But the reason I support Obama is because of his heavy opposition of the war and wanting to get out, and his support for alternative energy sources. John McCain says rediculous things like him wanting to stay in Iraq 100 years if need be, his advisors telling the public to 'stop whining' about the economy. Curing our oil addiction by drilling for more. Criticizing Obama about how we will 'lose the war' if we pull out of Iraq too soon. Nobody cares about 'winning or losing' the war you fucking idiot. These people hardly put up a fight so how could it be a war in the first place. We invaded thier country on zero grounds so I can imagine why there might be some upset people. I don't really give a shit if he has experiance over Obama, George W Bush had 'experiance' as well. I'd rather take the unknown then another 4 year term of Bush.


This guy is just another stubborn old man who is out of touch with what is going on in America. It sure as hell doesn't help that his advisors are as well.

McCain supports alternative energy, the biggest difference I see is that one is for drilling the other is against, what is the tome line the Obama predicts before "alternative energy" will be a mainstream viable option?

I have a feeling we will get the unknown, that's why I would like to see him answer some tough questions without whining about it.

He may not have a timeline for it, but im pretty sure that 7 years of research + billions of dollars going into alternative enery will bring something thats better than 7 years of drilling and not getting a single drop of oil from it.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper

He may not have a timeline for it, but im pretty sure that 7 years of research + billions of dollars going into alternative enery will bring something thats better than 7 years of drilling and not getting a single drop of oil from it.

why shouldn't both be done?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: jonks
I like how he requests a civil reply but posts incendiary propaganda

"Your mother is a whore."
"Fuck you!"
"Hey, why are you so angry?"

That's kind of what I was thinking. I think responses in Obama bashing threads tend to be negative because almost all Obama bashing threads sound like this one.

 

[IGBT]

..he's so perfect. he hopes for the future so the future has hope. he'll raise taxes on all those successful people so we can pizz more money away on the hords of "dole" people. he does such a good job of representing his elite,secular progressive campaign contributers. He is the obama. and he has the support of the enviro-KOOK cartel.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper
I am not hugely into politics. I do not follow McCain or Obamas past, and what they have accomplished and so forth. But the reason I support Obama is because of his heavy opposition of the war and wanting to get out, and his support for alternative energy sources. John McCain says rediculous things like him wanting to stay in Iraq 100 years if need be, his advisors telling the public to 'stop whining' about the economy. Curing our oil addiction by drilling for more. Criticizing Obama about how we will 'lose the war' if we pull out of Iraq too soon. Nobody cares about 'winning or losing' the war you fucking idiot. These people hardly put up a fight so how could it be a war in the first place. We invaded thier country on zero grounds so I can imagine why there might be some upset people. I don't really give a shit if he has experiance over Obama, George W Bush had 'experiance' as well. I'd rather take the unknown then another 4 year term of Bush.


This guy is just another stubborn old man who is out of touch with what is going on in America. It sure as hell doesn't help that his advisors are as well.

McCain supports alternative energy, the biggest difference I see is that one is for drilling the other is against, what is the tome line the Obama predicts before "alternative energy" will be a mainstream viable option?

I have a feeling we will get the unknown, that's why I would like to see him answer some tough questions without whining about it.

He may not have a timeline for it, but im pretty sure that 7 years of research + billions of dollars going into alternative enery will bring something thats better than 7 years of drilling and not getting a single drop of oil from it.

So 7 years (your guess not his) + billions of dollars (from where???) will bring what???

I have heard of reports of us getting oil in 1-2 years (that investors will pay), and you are against that?

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: DomS
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Leading up to Massachusetts? primary I wasn?t sure who I was going to vote for, but after a little bit of research I decided I liked Hillary much better. It really has to do with experience, and actual tangible platform issues, and the fact that Obama doesn?t seem to have either. As a democrat, I think one of the worst things that could happen for our party is for him to be elected president.
<snip>
I just can NOT for the life of me understand why someone would vote for this guy.

If you thought you were alone, you were wrong. There are many long time Democrats and recently converted Independents who agree with you.

Some links to get you started.

http://blog.pumapac.org/
http://justsaynodeal.com/
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

You'll find many more sites linked from there. Get involved.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
BTW this forum does have it's fair share of howling bitter Clinton supporters who can't seem to get over the fact that their candidate was not favored. We can add the OP to that group.

There aren't many of us on this forum but new members are always welcome to join the group.

Party unity my ass!

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: AAjax

As far as having to create desperate lies to criticize Obama, there is no need as he makes all of the argument one would ever need for those who would have ears to listen.

So true.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper

He may not have a timeline for it, but im pretty sure that 7 years of research + billions of dollars going into alternative enery will bring something thats better than 7 years of drilling and not getting a single drop of oil from it.

why shouldn't both be done?

because using oil for fuel is a waste of oil.