can somebody explain what torque and hp mean in car advertising

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Triumph

Lifer
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Torque should be foot-pounds because by definition Tau = r X f, or torque is the cross product of the moment arm with the applied force. A cross product is a matrix equation that takes into account the direction of the force and moment arm, thus it has to be done r X f and not f X r, because the answer will be in the wrong direction.

But that being said, it really doesn't matter because the associative property of multiplication says A x B = B x A.
 

squeeg22

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Subbaculcha


Exactly.
Now that's what i've been saying all along.
"Torque by definition is a measurement of rotational force.
HP is a measure of work, it doesn't by definition need to be rotational"

{I de-emphasized rotational for the sake of peace}

Now apologize for being rude. ;)


No big deal, it's the internet.

Torque is like how intense the argument gets, and Horsepower is like how fast the thread flies apart.

QFT :)
 

Demon-Xanth

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Feb 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Subbaculcha
Shessh. You're a hard nut.
Ok...then, if i'm tightening a nut. I'm applying force in a rotational direction. If it stops and will tighten no further and i'm still applying force.....what's the force called.

Schwartz.
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Howard
Fools, stop calling torque a unit. Torque is not a unit, just as power is not a unit. Nm is a unit of torque, lb-ft/ft-lb is a unit, kgm is a unit, but NOT torque.

My car's engine produces 200 torques?

Subbaculcha - HP is not a measure of work, you retard, it's a measure of power.

Noone here is using it as a unit of measure. Just describing what the units are measuring.

...let me go LB-ft my lug nuts to the proper LB-ft!
I wasn't talking about torque and its units being used interchangeably, I was talking about how torque was being called a unit.
Torque is a unit of force
- 91TTZ
 
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tourqe is a turning force....ie like a push but only in a circular motion

the best analogy ive heard is this


torque is how hard a engine PUNCHES
and the power is HOW FAST it PUNCHES
 

skyking

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you guys have it all wrong, I tell you!

Some young guy with morning wood attempts to pee while standing, and his legs kick out from under him.
THAT is torque!
 

Pacfanweb

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Torque and horsepower are not independent of each other. You can't have HP w/out Torque.
Dynos measure torque, and use a calculation to figure HP.

Torque is what moves the car, regardless of how fast you want to go. If your torque peak is at, say...3500 rpm, and you do some mods to increase it, you will automatically get more HP with it.
If you have, for example, 350 lb/ft of torque at 3500 rpms, and you increase that to 400 lb/ft at the same 3500, you will also have more HP to boot.
You can't make more or one at the same rpm without getting more of the other.

The reason larger engines make more torque at lower rpm than smaller ones, (e.g., big block vs. small blocks) is because they also make more HP at that lower rpm, too.

Seems to me I remember seeing a HP/Torque chart a long time ago that pretty much gave you your HP conversion as related to torque at any rpm.
Meaning that, most any gas engine, regardless of size, if it makes 400lb/ft at 2500 rpms, it will automatically have xxx amount of HP.
The reason that large engines can do this is simple....cubic inches. They can move more air in and out at lower rpms....therefore, they have more torque/hp at lower rpms. Smaller engines simply can't do it. So they rely on having more HP at a higher rpm, and gearing the car differently to match that power curve.

I'm sort of rambling here, but my basic point is, I suppose, that torque and HP are not independently obtained. But the reason they are advertised so much, particularly in truck commercials, is because everyone things torque is a big thing these days...and to a point, they're right. But the manufacturer know this, and play to this ignorance about power.