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Can Microsoft track down Illegal copy of XP ?

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sorry bro, but I think $100 for a upgrade for each computer is too much. next thing you know, they will be making DVD's that can be played on only one DVD player.
 


<< sorry bro, but I think $100 for a upgrade for each computer is too much. next thing you know, they will be making DVD's that can be played on only one DVD player. >>




Hahaha! Dont you think regional encoding is good enough? If you dont want to pay, stop supporting them. That means NO WAREZ COPIES. 🙂
 
is there not such a thing as corporate version fixes?....i.e. for network installs of a patch.

meaning, u wouldn't have to go through update center, u could jsut download them somewhere as an installable file....meaning, u don't lose the updates.

also, let's not try to be cocky with less than witty arguments, allegations, and terrible speculation.
 


<< > Since most of the ''illegal" copies people have were installed using the same product key, it would be quite easy for Microsoft to detect them

Yes, don't be suprised to see future Windows updates that disable these systems (this has been discussed). Also, a number of the 'corporate versions' floating around where nicely updated to include trojans, so buyer be ware.

Bill >>



I know quite a few of ppl who have ran the Corp edition, but no longer do. None of them have had any problems with any "trojans." This was up to last month too.

Also I havent heard ANY news regarding the corp being infected with "trojans."
 
> I know quite a few of ppl who have ran the Corp edition, but no longer do. None of them have had any problems with any "trojans." This was up to last month too.

Sigh. Read the posts. There are numerous 'corp' editions floating around on the net. Some are just what they say, copies of the corporate binaries and the appropriate stolen keys. Some are more.

> Also I havent heard ANY news regarding the corp being infected with "trojans."

I'm not sure what your point here is. They are out there, we've had to deal with them.

Bill


 
> meaning, u wouldn't have to go through update center, u could jsut download them somewhere as an installable file....meaning, u don't lose the updates

The 'update center' as you call it is just a delivery mechansim. The code they put into Office to disable certain corp keys was distributed via all of the channels, not just OfficeUpdate.

Bill
 


<< > I know quite a few of ppl who have ran the Corp edition, but no longer do. None of them have had any problems with any "trojans." This was up to last month too.

Sigh. Read the posts. There are numerous 'corp' editions floating around on the net. Some are just what they say, copies of the corporate binaries and the appropriate stolen keys. Some are more.

> Also I havent heard ANY news regarding the corp being infected with "trojans."

I'm not sure what your point here is. They are out there, we've had to deal with them.

Bill >>



No no no! He has more proof than you! He has friends who break the law committing piracy. (whether that is theft or just copyright infringement I will leave up to you, lets not worry about that now) They of course are right! They would know better than *ANYONE* else. Afterall, they keep the terrorists funded to fight the evil corporate America they support by using the software 😛

And Ive never met anyone that was shot to death so I dont believe its ever happened. Or electocuted (met them before this happened obviously people). Ive also never met a super model so I dont think they exist. Blah blah blah.
 
And Ive never met anyone that was shot to death so I dont believe its ever happened. Or electocuted (met them before this happened obviously people). Ive also never met a super model so I dont think they exist. Blah blah blah

I have! And I can tell you she was stunning! 😛

All of you are getting upset over one reason... Microsoft. I know of no one who loves this company, or could even care if they make a cent off there new XP OS. I use Windows at home... I bought my copy of Win2K and although I hated having to pay so much for it.... I was glad to see the back of Win98SE. Although I still use it for work.
Linux is an option, the only reason people don't take the option is because they are lazy and don't want to learn something new. So... GET OFF YOUR FAT ARSES AND LEARN!!!! You will be benefiting all of the IT community by doing so.

There are a lot of valid points being made in this thread... mine may not be one of them! 😉
 


<< next thing you know, they will be making DVD's that can be played on only one DVD player >>

Too late, they already tried that - anyone recall the flaming failure of DIVX? (not the mpeg4 encoder, but Circuit City's attempt to rob consumers). I still won't buy anything from Circuit City because of that. Sorry for the slight detour....
 
Someone sent me a pm asking me a question. For some reason the forums think I have more than my 1k limit so I cant reply right now. I think it was in response to this thread (one of the few piracy threads I replied to recently). When I can Ill reply in pm, but until then Ill reply here. The question was basically if you bought XP and installed the corporate version, would I find that wrong? Yes. I would. It is still going aginst the agreement you are agreeing to.

Do I really care if anyone pirates? Its none of my business. I dont lose any money because of it. Do I want to know who pirates? NO. And that is my biggest problem. Too many people mentioning that they pirated this or that, and I really dont want to know. You tell me, Ill flame you. Its that simple. I dont know, I give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
Do you consider it AS BAD as pirating/warezing if someone goes out and pays for XP, so that they've given MS their due, but then uses the no-activation version of XP? While it's still in violation of the licensing agreement, and I suppose one could technically call it theft since you're using the corporate files instead of the ones you paid for, if you do that then you've paid MS's fee for the use of XP. (Assuming it's only installed on one machine.)

I think MS has also had some trouble nailing people on violations of the EULA in the past. At least once I heard of a judge saying someone was not responsible for violating it and that the EULA can't be considered a contract or legally binding, something like that.
 


<< Do you consider it AS BAD as pirating/warezing if someone goes out and pays for XP, so that they've given MS their due, but then uses the no-activation version of XP? While it's still in violation of the licensing agreement, and I suppose one could technically call it theft since you're using the corporate files instead of the ones you paid for, if you do that then you've paid MS's fee for the use of XP. (Assuming it's only installed on one machine.) >>



Do I think it is as bad? Probably not. But again, its none of my business. If you do this I dont want to know.



<< I think MS has also had some trouble nailing people on violations of the EULA in the past. At least once I heard of a judge saying someone was not responsible for violating it and that the EULA can't be considered a contract or legally binding, something like that. >>



There is debate as to whether the EULAs are enforcable, and I hope they are. If they are not, the GPL or the BSD licence. may also not be enforcable.
 
Well, the GPL applies to copyrighted material and tells you what you're allowed to do with it, things which normally would not be allowed with copyright material. So I would think if the GPL wasn't valid, then it would turn to all that material being unusable by anyone, not "you can do anything you like with it". The reverse would happen with the EULA. If it weren't valid, then users would be able to do anything they wanted with the software as long as they didn't profit or hurt MS's profits by making it so people don't need to buy it.
 


<<

<< Can Microsoft track down Illegal copy of XP ? A friend of mine downloaded the coporate version from the net. He can install it without calling MS for the password. >>




Is it worth it? >>



I suppose it is. At least you don't have to *activate* your OS whenever you want to change your sound card or your video card. And you can install it on any machine you own. And you can re-install windows any time you want -- without anybody interfereing with you. Aren't you sick of all M$'s rubbish licensing stuff?
 
freefalle6

"Enlight case w/h window, blue neon and 8 fans!" looks like you need a life also 😉

As for using illegal software...well its bad...but do people use it...yes alot of people do as well as businesses and corporations. If this was a perfect world, there would be no illegal software...then again there would be no bin ladens also.
 
MS could track down illegal copies of their XP, but lets assume they are tracking down users based off the cdkey used to intall the OS.
- Where would they start in the tracking? Would they go for the first user who hit it, or the last?

Let assume they tracked you down via IP.
- What about all the dialup users? They are on DHCP
- What about all the DHCP cable modem and DSL users?

Lets assume someone used the same key and has a static IP address. So MS can now track down the user based off their IP and their ISP's records of billing information.
- What would MS do if this person unknowingly had XP preloaded onto their computer?
- What would MS do if this person was given a copy of XP, unaware of where it came from?

The real question is: WILL Microsoft track down individual users of their pirated OS? Its so doubtful, you shouldn't really be concerned with it. If MS was REALLY hard up for cash, they can start leaning on the largest ISPs to get information of people who they "thought" had pirated their OS. Even then, that's a MASSIVE list to sort through, check records, etc. Someone could claim their bought the OS, made a backup and threw away the receipts and lost their original CD in a fire, or someone stole it.

There are way TOO many things to sort through for an individual person and their pirated OS. For the corporation, its another story.

To those who think that one of the floating versions of XP Pro's Corporate Edition has a trojan, stop spreading your flames. If it had a trojan, it would have been seen A LONG time ago, especially with AV software and firewalls running on people's network. Trojans do exist, in software distro's and can exist on OS installs, but lets face facts: a trojan, of that nature, would have been seen and been stomped by now. Groups don't like their names being dragged through the mud lightly -- they don't like to make mistakes and ensure their stuff is the best before it goes out.

vash
 


<< To those who think that one of the floating versions of XP Pro's Corporate Edition has a trojan, stop spreading your flames. If it had a trojan, it would have been seen A LONG time ago, especially with AV software and firewalls running on people's network. Trojans do exist, in software distro's and can exist on OS installs, but lets face facts: a trojan, of that nature, would have been seen and been stomped by now. Groups don't like their names being dragged through the mud lightly -- they don't like to make mistakes and ensure their stuff is the best before it goes out. >>

(bold added by me 😀)

I have two words for this: Ha Ha!

EDIT: bolded wrong 😛
 
> To those who think that one of the floating versions of XP Pro's Corporate Edition has a trojan, stop spreading your flames.

God, the inability to read has reached a critical level 😉 I'll restate this again. There ARE versions of XP floating around the net that have had extra's (trojans) thrown into the mix. There are ALSO versions of XP that do not. These are not 'flames', but rather facts. I suggest you try posting facts also.

> If it had a trojan, it would have been seen A LONG time ago,

It has been seen a number of times. That was my point. My point is not that EVERY version floating around is infected. Just buyer beware, there are some out there.

> especially with AV software and firewalls running on people's network.

Bill
 


<< > To those who think that one of the floating versions of XP Pro's Corporate Edition has a trojan, stop spreading your flames.

God, the inability to read has reached a critical level 😉 I'll restate this again. There ARE versions of XP floating around the net that have had extra's (troajans) thrown into the mix. There are ALSO versions of XP that do not. These are not 'flames', but rather facts. I suggest you try posting facts also. >>



We dont need no stinking facts!



<< > If it had a trojan, it would have been seen A LONG time ago,

It has been seen a number of times. That was my point. My point is not that EVERY version floating around is infected. Just buyer beware, there are some out there. >>



You mean there are unscrupulous people out there! :Q

 
> You mean there are unscrupulous people out there!

I couldn't believe it at first either!
 


<< God, the inability to read has reached a critical level 😉 I'll restate this again. There ARE versions of XP floating around the net that have had extra's (trojans) thrown into the mix. There are ALSO versions of XP that do not. These are not 'flames', but rather facts. I suggest you try posting facts also.
It has been seen a number of times. That was my point. My point is not that EVERY version floating around is infected. Just buyer beware, there are some out there. >>

Point made. There are bad groups and good groups out there. When you pick up some pirated piece of software, be aware of whom you are getting it from. Whether is a friend, or directly from the source, groups that release these pieces of software either have a long history of releasing stuff on the net, or are no namers. Are either of these types of groups trustable? Yes and no.

Groups like Razor and Fairlight are trustable, because of their history. Other groups are not quite as old and definitely not as well established. Trusting pirates is still not a 100% thing, but if I were to bet on a group having a "true" release or not, I would go with the big names.

vash
 
> Point made. There are bad groups and good groups out there. When you pick up some pirated piece of software, be aware of whom you are getting it from. Whether is a Groups like Razor and Fairlight are trustable, because of their history. Other groups are not quite as old and definitely not as well established. Trusting pirates is still not a 100% thing, but if I were to bet on a group having a "true" release or not, I would go with the big names.

Your point made also. I'm not aware of any of the releases I'm refering to being tied to any particular group. These are more likely the work of people who are making releases available in an attempt to pick up additional zombie/remoteable machines. There would be nothing to game from someone group like Razor releasing such a version.

Bill
 
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