My laptop (HP N5470 Windows 2000) has the hibernate feature which I really like and use all the time. It just dawned on me that I could look in Power Options for my desktop (custom built Athlon TBird 900, ABIT KT7, 2 IBM DeskStar 75gxp's, Windows 2000). Sure enough, there's a tab for Hibernate and I checked the box for it and went to Start/Shut Down and selected Standby, and it obviously went into Hibernate mode, but ... how to get it out again? On the laptop there's a button to put it in and get it out, but ... how do I wake it up on the desktop????
Can I make my desktop hibernate like my laptop?
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Hibernate is physically powered off (i.e. you can unplug the machine, plug it in later, and it won't lose state). Hit the power button. Note that standby/suspend are NOT the same as hibernate.
Well, I have something to learn here then. I thought Hibernate and Standby would be the same.
On the laptop the Power Options/Advanced tab gives me a ComboBox "When I press the sleep button" with 2 options - Standby and Power Off. I've had Standby selected and when I press it, I get "Preparing to Standby ... " and then it goes blank and I press the button again to bring it back. Very convenient. I also was under the impression that it powers down when in Standby. I can do it at the office and go home and when I get home the battery has lost only a couple of percent.
I just tried it on the desktop, where the only combo is for "When I press the power button on my computer" and if I select Standby and hit the power button, instead of rebooting it goes blank until I hit the power button again, and it comes back. But the fan certainly continues, so it's not powered off.
What I'm wanting is to turn it "off" during the day or overnight or any time I'm away for a length of time, just to save the electricity, even if it's a small amount. But it's 2 and a half minutes to boot up if I really turn it off, and I would like the convenience of the really quick return of the laptop.
So what's the best solution here?
On the laptop the Power Options/Advanced tab gives me a ComboBox "When I press the sleep button" with 2 options - Standby and Power Off. I've had Standby selected and when I press it, I get "Preparing to Standby ... " and then it goes blank and I press the button again to bring it back. Very convenient. I also was under the impression that it powers down when in Standby. I can do it at the office and go home and when I get home the battery has lost only a couple of percent.
I just tried it on the desktop, where the only combo is for "When I press the power button on my computer" and if I select Standby and hit the power button, instead of rebooting it goes blank until I hit the power button again, and it comes back. But the fan certainly continues, so it's not powered off.
What I'm wanting is to turn it "off" during the day or overnight or any time I'm away for a length of time, just to save the electricity, even if it's a small amount. But it's 2 and a half minutes to boot up if I really turn it off, and I would like the convenience of the really quick return of the laptop.
So what's the best solution here?
Hibernate is what you are looking for. It takes the contents of memory and copies it to the hd and then shuts down. When you turn the computer back on it restores the memory and you are back where you left off. It should boot faster than a normal startup.
Well, it certainly does return faster, but still well over a minute to be back in business. The standby on the laptop is about 10 seconds.
So the standby state on the laptop is different than on the desktop? The laptop really does seem to be in a "power off" state in standby.
So the standby state on the laptop is different than on the desktop? The laptop really does seem to be in a "power off" state in standby.
Not quite - it's getting a little bit of power - after about 2-3 weeks your LT battery would be dead. Just use standby on your desktop, too. Tell your computer via Device Manager that your mouse and keyboard have permission to bring the computer out of standby, and you're good to go - put it in standby when you want, and take it out of standby by hitting the mouse or keyboard.
You mention the fan is still going, so it's using S1 for standby rather than S3 (which turns the fan off). I might have those switched; try going into your BIOS and changing the standby options from S1 <-> S3 and see if that changes how standby works on your machine.
but standby on the desktop doesn't seem to "power down" at all -- at least, the fan keeps going even if I leave it in standby for a long time (I wondered if it went into a suspended state it might cool off and the fan might be on a thermostat or something like that - the laptop fan comes on and goes off and I always presumed it was on a thermostat).
So it the desktop version of standby doesn't save me any power, I don't see the reason to do it. I do turn off the monitor when I leave, in any case.
And what about the issue of power use anyway? I've never known for sure. Some have told me that a modern machine (well, mine is now 3 years old) uses so little that it hardly matters, but others have said that it's burning something like 50 watts all the time if I leave it on.
So it the desktop version of standby doesn't save me any power, I don't see the reason to do it. I do turn off the monitor when I leave, in any case.
And what about the issue of power use anyway? I've never known for sure. Some have told me that a modern machine (well, mine is now 3 years old) uses so little that it hardly matters, but others have said that it's burning something like 50 watts all the time if I leave it on.
Errr...right. Can you hear your hard drives when you listen to them? Are they still spinning? They shouldn't be. That's the S3 vs. S1 bit - suspended with fan vs. suspended without fan. You're saving power - it's just that your fans keep running. So, like I said, switch in BIOS from S1 <-> S3 and see if that resolves the fan issue.
It saves you power - it just keeps the fans running.
It's probably burning more than that (assuming a P4/3.0 with a high end graphics card that requires its' own power, etc.) Either way, it's nice to save a little power and energy (and remove heat) now and then. Try the S1 <-> S3 switch in BIOS.
Well, I did the S3 and when I did and went to Standby it wouldn't come out. I had to unplug it from the wall to get it to reboot.
i'm a little over my head here, playing with things I don't understand all that well. I can get into the BIOS and change things but I really don't know much of what's in there.
i'm a little over my head here, playing with things I don't understand all that well. I can get into the BIOS and change things but I really don't know much of what's in there.
Go here http://www.thegreenbutton.com/community/shwmessage.aspx?ForumID=50&MessageID=62467 and ask about the S3 registry fix.
I've got a query out to the thread on the link suggested by dclive. I also found an article http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;323153 that indicates that if you have 2 hard drives, as I do, they can get confused when coming out of S3 standby and hang. They say the fix it SP4, but I already have that. Since some other resources suggest that there is a registry setting that can get wiped out, I thought reinstalling SP4 might restore something in the Registry, but no luck
BTW, did you go into device manager and tell it that your keyboard and mouse could take your computer out of standby mode? And did the S3 standby change cause your fans to no longer spin?
I looked in Dev Mgr and see nowhere to do that. I've seen other references to keyboard and mouse but they are for USB, I thought. Mine are not USB
S3 does stop the fan. And when I hit the Power button I see lights and hear things spinning up, but nothing comes up on the screen. Which is why the MS Knowledge Base article seemed to make sense - coming out of standby was starting, but then hanging, that's what it sounds like is happening
S3 does stop the fan. And when I hit the Power button I see lights and hear things spinning up, but nothing comes up on the screen. Which is why the MS Knowledge Base article seemed to make sense - coming out of standby was starting, but then hanging, that's what it sounds like is happening
...except that it's fixed in SP4, and you've applied the SP4 update to resolve the issue, so that's not it, assuming their update is correct and really fixes the issue in all iterations.
Hmm... the keyboard should unsuspend it. If you plug in a USB keyboard, and then make the appropriate change in the USB keyboard (allow wake from suspend) does the USB keyboard take the device out of standby?
Do you have the latest A09 BIOS for the board?
Are there any power management features in the BIOS that you can select or play with? If you go to Power Management, and look at the Wake-Up Events, what's in there? Is ACPI enabled, and does your computer see itself as an ACPI computer (in device manager, under Computer, what does it say?)? (This is all from pp3.30-3.37 in your KT7 manual.)
Alas I don't have a USB keyboard.
And the BIOS is the original that came with it 3 years ago. I've not been inclined to play around with upgrades since the time a few years ago that I did a flash upgrade to my modem and ruined it and the tech guy for the manufacturer sort of shrugged about it and said well, that happens sometimes.
As for BIOS features I have what you see in the screenshots in the manual.
Wakeup Events has
VGA OFF
LPT & COM LPT/COM
HDD & FDD OFF
PCI Master Off
PowerOn By PCI Card Disabled
WakeUp On LAN/Ring Disabled
RTC Alarm Resume Disabled
Primary INTR OFF
IRQs Activity Monitoring Press Enter
In Device Manager it says it is an ACPI
I don't know where to see if ACPI is enabled.
And the BIOS is the original that came with it 3 years ago. I've not been inclined to play around with upgrades since the time a few years ago that I did a flash upgrade to my modem and ruined it and the tech guy for the manufacturer sort of shrugged about it and said well, that happens sometimes.
As for BIOS features I have what you see in the screenshots in the manual.
Wakeup Events has
VGA OFF
LPT & COM LPT/COM
HDD & FDD OFF
PCI Master Off
PowerOn By PCI Card Disabled
WakeUp On LAN/Ring Disabled
RTC Alarm Resume Disabled
Primary INTR OFF
IRQs Activity Monitoring Press Enter
In Device Manager it says it is an ACPI
I don't know where to see if ACPI is enabled.
I really am over my head here, but I have been reading and playing around (and taking careful notes of everything I do). I noted that "PM control by APM" was set to No, and the manual says the default is Yes. So I set it to Yes. didn't change the behavior
I suggest updating the BIOS, as frequently there are power management fixes put into place, especially for an older board such as that one. What, exactly, does it say under Computer in Device Manager?
Curious - on p. 3-30 it says ACPI functions are always "Enabled". Then down at the bottom, "If you enable the ACPI function in the BIOS Setup, ....."
That sounds inconsistent (but I find the manual not totally comprehensible and not the best grammatically), and I also see nowhere to enable the ACPI function in the BIOS.
That sounds inconsistent (but I find the manual not totally comprehensible and not the best grammatically), and I also see nowhere to enable the ACPI function in the BIOS.
I went to bed, back again.
Under Computer there is a single entry
"Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC"
Back to the BIOS update - I went to the ABIT site and saw what I would need to do. Is it 100% rock solid no-doubt-about-it to do a flash update of the BIOS? As I mentioned I once had a flash update failure, but that was just with a modem. I can't afford to be without my computer at home, I do my work with it.
Under Computer there is a single entry
"Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC"
Back to the BIOS update - I went to the ABIT site and saw what I would need to do. Is it 100% rock solid no-doubt-about-it to do a flash update of the BIOS? As I mentioned I once had a flash update failure, but that was just with a modem. I can't afford to be without my computer at home, I do my work with it.
People do it all the time, but if it makes you uncomfortable, don't do it. What's the worst that could happen? Fry's has new AMD MBs + AMD 2500XP CPUs for $70 all day long - and S3 suspend works on those. 
But if you aren't comfortable doing the commands Abit lists, don't do it, and just live with having a fan in suspend mode.
But if you aren't comfortable doing the commands Abit lists, don't do it, and just live with having a fan in suspend mode.That's about where I'm going to leave it.
Hey, thanks for your contributions. I always like to learn.
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Hey, thanks for your contributions. I always like to learn.
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