Can I get away with not doing Squats?

StevenNevets

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I don't have a rack in my basement (where I workout) and won't be getting one because my dad injured his knees for life doing squats when he was younger. Being that I also have bad knees maybe I'm more likely to get injured like that as well. But the main reason I'm posting is because it's always so hard getting in position, it's pretty much doing a few max rep military presses everytime I want to squat and this is the day after doing upper body so it takes too much out of me.



What if I do a few alternatives such as jumping squats and various dumbell squats? I don't normally see them incorporated into popular programs but if I do enough of them can I progress just as much as I would with standard squats which seem to be so highly praised?
 

presidentender

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I'd go talk to someone about working on your form. If you have to military press the weight into position, something is wrong.
 

dealmaster00

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Squatting to parallel makes your knees stronger and less likely to injure later on, so that should be incentive for you to squat.
 

KoolDrew

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Try front and/or overhead squats. Besides those you can still hit quads doing split squats or step ups.
 

BeauJangles

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Just buy a squat rack. Sorry, if you're dad injured his knees squatting, he was doing something wrong... really wrong. Squats are one of THE best exercises for you and, unless your dad is buying your workout equipment, I don't see why you wouldn't invest in a squat rack.

To answer your question, yes you can get away without squatting, you'd just be missing a great opportunity to improve your strength. No, air squats and dumbell squats will not give you the same gains as good old fashion barbell squats. First, air squats provide no increased resistance, so while you might build muscle endurance (which isn't a bad thing), you won't be adding strength. Second, you should quickly find that dumbells aren't heavy enough. I don't know many guys that keep 1.5 x their bodyweight lying around in dumbells.

Buy a squat rack, learn to squat properly.
 

StevenNevets

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Originally posted by: presidentender
If you have to military press the weight into position, something is wrong.
Well whats the proper way to get in squating position without a rack?



I'm 16, don't have the money to buy one and my dad won't buy one for me because of his injury. I understand that it's unlikely to get injured if you use proper form but he won't let me try.


I can still squat but I have to start with the bar on the ground everytime and won't ever have a spotter. Still worth it?
 

TecHNooB

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You can still get a great leg workout without squats. Leg press, lunges, and calf raises are fine substitutes! You should incorporate those even if you do squat for a balanced leg workout.

Btw, you should be doing deadlifts/squats/bench for the best mass gain results. However, I do think you can choose either squat or deadlifts and get away with doing only 2 of the big 3. Can't skip benching tho IMO.
 

StevenNevets

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Originally posted by: TecHNooB
You can still get a great leg workout without squats. Leg press, lunges, and calf raises are fine substitutes! You should incorporate those even if you do squat for a balanced leg workout.

Btw, you should be doing deadlifts/squats/bench for the best mass gain results. However, I do think you can choose either squat or deadlifts and get away with doing only 2 of the big 3. Can't skip benching tho IMO.
Yea, I've been doing others as well, it's just I'm thinking about dropping standard squats completely.

Also doing benchpress and deadlift, no problem with them:D
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Related: Do you guys ever feel a "pump" in your legs? I always do in my arms but never once in my legs.
 
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Originally posted by: StevenNevets
Originally posted by: TecHNooB
You can still get a great leg workout without squats. Leg press, lunges, and calf raises are fine substitutes! You should incorporate those even if you do squat for a balanced leg workout.

Btw, you should be doing deadlifts/squats/bench for the best mass gain results. However, I do think you can choose either squat or deadlifts and get away with doing only 2 of the big 3. Can't skip benching tho IMO.
Yea, I've been doing others as well, it's just I'm thinking about dropping standard squats completely.

Also doing benchpress and deadlift, no problem with them:D
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Related: Do you guys ever feel a "pump" in your legs? I always do in my arms but never once in my legs.

No, no, no. That's not entirely true. No workout is even "efficient" without squats. Squats will induce the greatest hormone secretion and therefore muscle/strength progression. You can get a leg workout, yes, but you cannot get a "great" leg workout.
 

StevenNevets

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Originally posted by: GenHoth
At 16 does your high school have a weight room?
Yea we do but I think it's reserved for sports for right now. Maybe not, but theres only 1 squat rack for a ton of people plus I don't drive.





^Social, would squating *heavy* dumbbells come close?
 
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Originally posted by: StevenNevets
Originally posted by: GenHoth
At 16 does your high school have a weight room?
Yea we do but I think it's reserved for sports for right now. Maybe not, but theres only 1 squat rack for a ton of people plus I don't drive.





^Social, would squating *heavy* dumbbells come close?

Usually people can't squat heavy with DBs in comparison to what they could squat with BBs. Either they can't clean the weight onto the shoulders or they grip fails. It would definitely be better than no squats though.
 

brikis98

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Originally posted by: TecHNooB
You can still get a great leg workout without squats. Leg press, lunges, and calf raises are fine substitutes!

You can certainly make individual muscles in your legs stronger with other exercises, but the squat's value is not in just strengthening the legs. The squat works a HUGE percentage of the muscles in your body (something like 70%), it works them all together in one smooth, compound motion and it allows you to use a large amount of weight. For one thing, other leg exercises do not involve the hips, glutes, abs and posterior chain nearly as much as the squat. But even more importantly, the combination of heavy weight and the involvement of so many muscles causes the body to produce a large hormonal reaction to the squat, and consequently lots of muscle growth all over your body. In that respect, there really are no substitutes for the squat.

If you don't have a squat rack, you have several options:

1. Convince your dad that the squat is actually extremely beneficial for the knee and that, in general, weight lifting as a sport produces VERY few injuries (compared to say, soccer). This is covered in detail in Starting Strength and many articles online, such as this one.

2. Save up some money and buy one. There are fairly cheap power racks and squat stands available online and at department stores. Or, search on craigslist and you might be able to score a used one for around $100. It's one of the most important and versatile pieces of equipment for weightlifting and well worth the money.

3. Build your own squat rack. You can google around for tutorials and find many examples on the crossfit message boards, but here are a few that I found quickly: DIY 1, DIY 2, DIY 3, DIY 4.

4. Go to a gym or your high school weight room and use the equipment there.

5. If you really can't find a way to squat, learn to do the Clean. It's an exercise where the weight starts on the ground (so you don't need a squat rack) and ends up on your shoulders. In fact, the clean is the most efficient way known to get a barbell from the ground onto your shoulders, so any time you need to get the weight up there (for OH press, for example), use it. The clean includes a front squat, which is just as good of an exercise as the back squat. You can either do multiple cleans, or just clean the weight once onto your shoulders and do a bunch of front squats. It's a fantastic exercise that builds an enormous amount of quickness and power. The only downsides are that it's difficult lift to learn and that you'll clean far less than you can squat, so you really won't be able to squat heavy. Still, it would better than nothing, and you can compensate somewhat by doing more heavy deadlifts.
 

conorvansmack

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Originally posted by: TecHNooB
You can still get a great leg workout without squats. Leg press, lunges, and calf raises are fine substitutes!
While you're missing out on an excellent movement by eliminating squats, lunges are pretty good.
 

EvilYoda

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As many people have already said, a properly performed squat should not hurt your knees and should actually strengthen them.

If you can't find a squat rack at your local gym or school gym, I'd suggest the "bear workout" - clean, front squat, push press, back squat, overhead press. That's one rep; I typically do a 5x5 routine. You won't be able to start with much weight so it'll be manageable and not too dangerous.
 

gramboh

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Squats are good for your knees, some links to evidence has been posted above. My friend has a partial ACL tear from a skiing injury a few seasons ago and says that since starting squatting (SL 5x5 program) his bad knee feels stronger and more stable. Your dad's injury was due to poor technique (likely his knees were not tracking inline with his feet, aka caving in or he stopped at parallel with heavy weight with his knees way infront of his feet and the weight not over his midfoot).

Other options for squatting:

Steinborn lift to get bar on your shoulders
Pistols aka one leg squats (with db's when you get good)

Deadlifts and lunges are good of course. Re: Technoob, not sure what calf raises do in terms of strength, and I'd skip bench way before squats or deadlifts in terms of muscle recruitment/strength gains. I'd put OH press ahead of bench as well, more practical to real life, haven't been in a situation where I've had to press something away from my chest in a straight line yet but I have had to lift stuff over my head. IMHO bench is the least useful of the major compound lifts, other than for building a nice looking chest (nothing wrong with that).
 

brikis98

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Originally posted by: gramboh
Steinborn lift to get bar on your shoulders

I had never heard of this until you mentioned it and decided to google it. I came up with this video of a guy using it to lift 100kg and this stronglifts article about squatting if you don't have a squat rack. That's a neat way to get a lot of weight up onto your back for squatting, but is it actually safe? It seems like it would create some awful torque on your back, but I've never done it, so I have no clue.

Originally posted by: gramboh
I'd skip bench way before squats or deadlifts in terms of muscle recruitment/strength gains. I'd put OH press ahead of bench as well, more practical to real life, haven't been in a situation where I've had to press something away from my chest in a straight line yet but I have had to lift stuff over my head. IMHO bench is the least useful of the major compound lifts, other than for building a nice looking chest (nothing wrong with that).

I agree completely - bench press is one of the least practical/functional compound lifts. However, big pecs are all the rage, and the typical gym goer measures himself based on what he can bench... so it's disproportionately popular. I personally used to bench press way too much and definitely regretted it, as doing that much bench w/o rows, pull-ups and OH press to balance it led to rotator cuff and posture issues that took a while to get over. Still, it's not a totally useless lift: it is hard to match it in terms of pec development and tricep strength and the sheer amount of weight you can use on it makes it a great way to add mass to the upper body.