can i beat vegas with this method?

[element]

Originally posted by: Shooters
That's called the Martindale method; it works in the sense that with every winning hand you will win back all of the money from your previous losses. The problem with it is that you need to have an extremely large bankroll if you start losing many hands in a row, and as others mentioned, this type of method is exactly why casinos have limits on their blackjack tables. Yes, the limits are usually pretty high (maybe 5 or 10K), but in blackjack it's definitely possible to lose enough consective hands to reach the limit.

My suggestion is that you learn basic strategy, which you could easily do in one afternoon. Then learn how to count cards. Of course it's impossible to know exactly what card is going to come out next, but the idea behind counting cards is that it gives you an idea of whether or not the deck is in your favor; then you adjust your bet accordingly. Losing the small ones and winning the big ones is what it's all about.

Counting cards is against house rules in every casino. LOL common sense if everyone could win they wouldn't be in business now would they?

 

[waylman]

Originally posted by: element®

Originally posted by: Shooters
That's called the Martindale method; it works in the sense that with every winning hand you will win back all of the money from your previous losses. The problem with it is that you need to have an extremely large bankroll if you start losing many hands in a row, and as others mentioned, this type of method is exactly why casinos have limits on their blackjack tables. Yes, the limits are usually pretty high (maybe 5 or 10K), but in blackjack it's definitely possible to lose enough consective hands to reach the limit.

My suggestion is that you learn basic strategy, which you could easily do in one afternoon. Then learn how to count cards. Of course it's impossible to know exactly what card is going to come out next, but the idea behind counting cards is that it gives you an idea of whether or not the deck is in your favor; then you adjust your bet accordingly. Losing the small ones and winning the big ones is what it's all about.

Counting cards is against house rules in every casino. LOL common sense if everyone could win they wouldn't be in business now would they?

yeah, but you don't announce to the dealer that you're counting cards. Counting cards requires an insane memory anyway...not many can do it. Those who can, win.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: waylman

Originally posted by: element®
Counting cards is against house rules in every casino. LOL common sense if everyone could win they wouldn't be in business now would they?

yeah, but you don't announce to the dealer that you're counting cards. Counting cards requires an insane memory anyway...not many can do it. Those who can, win.

Of course you can't count every card and know exactly what is coming out next, but what you can do (especially on 1-3 deck shoes) is count everything 10 and over as a +1 and everthing 9 and under as a -1. If towards the end of the deck you are in the positives (meaning most of the 10+ cards have been played) it is in the dealers favor b/c there is less chance he will bust. If it is negatives (meaning more large cards than small) you have an advantage b/c the dealer will most likely bust.....wait maybe I have that mixed up, maybe you want large cards, dang now I can't remember, anyone with thoughts on that?

 

[Kev]

all i can tell you about vegas blackjack is this: find the single deck tables. stay away from shoe decks. shoe decks are satan's work.

 

[Graphicd00d]

Try this.

If a casino sees that you are counting cards they will throw you out and they will inform the rest of the casinos as well.

They know when you are counting.

 

[RalphWiggum]

Yah, the method is called the Martingale method. I remember when my friend and I first ran into the method... He wrote a computer program to simulate what would happen... Sometimes, if the number of runs was small enough you'd come out with money, other times you'd lose it all.

It isn't worth the risk, unless you have a ton of money, time and like grinding out small wins. Even then, it probably isn't woorth the risk. NExt time your in Vegas, walk by the roulette table and see how many blacks or reds in a row there have been just to give you an idea of how often you can lose x times in a row. I think I have personally been at a table where black came up 8 times in a row, but I only parlayed it 4 times. And the last time I went red came up 6 times in a row and that knocked me out.

OH yah, the site staley8 mentioned is actually www.wizardofodds.com. They moved recently but that's about the most indepth gambling site on the net I think.

And one last thing, no method works. You can bring the hosue advantage down, you can get lucky, but you are never gauranteed a winner at a casino.

 

[jaybert]

fyi, card counting isnt illegal, the casinos just want you to think it is

that said, the casinos can (in vegas at least), can ask you to leave for any reason even if you are not cheating. they can just say you are too good for them and ask you to leave

 

[BooGiMaN]

rob a bank..its probably easier than any of the 'methods and startegies) and you have better odds of coming out a winner $$ (getting away)

They dont build them big casinos cuz the house is losing money now do they.

 

[Toasthead]

youd have to have a lot of money and yes there are table limits for this exact reason.

 

[Thegonagle]

Play Black Jack perfectly (using the mathematically established "basic strategy") through the whole chute, and the house odds drop to a mere 51%. But you need to know how when you're at the table, and that takes some practice. There are websites that map out basic strategy in detail.

Your method looks like a "strategy" for eventually losing your entire bank-roll in a single hand.

 

[Graphicd00d]

Originally posted by: jaybert
fyi, card counting isnt illegal, the casinos just want you to think it is

that said, the casinos can (in vegas at least), can ask you to leave for any reason even if you are not cheating. they can just say you are too good for them and ask you to leave

I never said counting was illegal. The casinos frown upon counting cards.

Yes you are right the casinos can/will ask you to leave as I said in my first post.





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[MagicianBdotCom]

My mom and dad did that strategy and actually won a lot of money. It doesn't work everytime, but it has a good chance of working!

 

[Yax]

Remember that with this method, when you win, you're really only getting your money back so there's little profit in it.

$5 lose
$10 lose
$20 lose
$40 lose
$80 lose
$160 WIN gets $160 - 80 - 40 - 20 - 10 - 5 = profit of: $5.

So is that worth a $160 risk?

You'd be better off putting $160 in one shot and hope to win. At least, the odds are almost 50/50. Actually, like 48/52 if you play correctly or worst if you play wrong.

 

[dirtboy]

That strategy is one that I came up with about 5 years ago. It worked quite well for me. It's just when you get up to betting $50+ hands hoping that you'll win can be kinda nerve racking!

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Shooters
That's called the Martindale method; it works in the sense that with every winning hand you will win back all of the money from your previous losses. The problem with it is that you need to have an extremely large bankroll if you start losing many hands in a row, and as others mentioned, this type of method is exactly why casinos have limits on their blackjack tables. Yes, the limits are usually pretty high (maybe 5 or 10K), but in blackjack it's definitely possible to lose enough consective hands to reach the limit.

My suggestion is that you learn basic strategy, which you could easily do in one afternoon. Then learn how to count cards. Of course it's impossible to know exactly what card is going to come out next, but the idea behind counting cards is that it gives you an idea of whether or not the deck is in your favor; then you adjust your bet accordingly. Losing the small ones and winning the big ones is what it's all about.

Counting cards does not work if they have an automated card shuffler. You loose again.

 

[her209]

Just count the damn cards.

 

[Shooters]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Counting cards does not work if they have an automated card shuffler. You loose again.

Well obviously. It's also more difficult and less accurate with more decks. But, there are plenty of casinos that don't use continuous shuffling machines, and even a lot of the larger casinos on the strip will have some 2 deck tables.

I don't understand why people keep arguing the issue of counting cards. Blackjack is one of the most popular table games because it's easy to learn, plays rather slow, and has a very low house advantage (between 0.5% and 1% if you learn basic strategy). It is a mathematically proven fact that by learning to count cards, you can swing the odds slightly in your favor (possibly up to 1%). No one ever said that if you learn to do it then you're a guaranteed winner; if that was the case then it wouldn't be called gambling. It's just something that can give you a slight advantage over the house. Is it illegal?...no. Do casinos frown upon it?...yes. Will they ask you to leave if they catch you?...yes.

So what does that tell you? If you're going to count cards then don't get caught. Learning how to do it is easy. Learning how to do it without looking like you're doing it is extremely difficult. That's why a lot of people don't even bother trying.

 

[mss242]

umm, i think that you could do it but here is what happens: You will only make 5 dollars for each cycle. That isn't a very big pay off considering that you may very well ahve to ebt huge amounts of money. Imagine that you have 7 losses in a row. That means that you will need to bet 5(2^7) dollars or 640 bucks. The odds are only 1/128 that such a streak will occur each time that you play, but if you keep playing over and over again then the odds are pretty good that you will encounter such a streak. You may very well reach the point where you have no more cash to bet 5 dollars over your losses. The odds that you will reach such a point are rather low, but the amount of money that you will lose is massive. I don't think taking a risk like that is worth only 5 bucks a cycle.