Can I add to this STUPID amd vs. intel debate?

[HammondB3]

Ok. First off I feel those involved in "heated" debates over meager benchmarks are COMPLETE DORKS and you need a life.

Get a girlfriend. Please!!!

Now...It seems most of you here are all about games and your benchmarks for game playing. For these kids i say i WOULD BUILD AN AMD BOX FOR THEM AND END IT.

Why?: kids ususally try and save all the $ they can and AMD OC's are great for these quakers, UT'rs, etc. Why go Intel for a video game palying nut? Makes more sense to SAVE THE CASH (and ossibly be able to brag about a couple points higher in stupid debates) Hopefully these kids will outgrow the games and get into life a bit more.

**THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO GAME TESTERS/DESIGNERS TODAY obviously.


AS FOR THE INTEL:
Here is why I always choose intel - COMPATIBILITY.

I work in sound design and audio for tv/film and we have finally gravitated from the WAY OVERPRICED/OVER-HYPED mac.

What this means is that i have to install some high end audio/video/surround sound/etc hardware...and there's NO TIME FOR INCOMPATIBILITY...(especially for a couple extra benchmark points for a stupid video game).

AMD is the LAST choice processor in any professional work environment such as this. They just don't have the resources/funding to provide the crucial testing it takes to ensure compatibility over Intel. Sorry..but those are the facts.

example: we tried the Duron/Tbird route for one of our employees. The mobo/cpu was NOT compatible with the Pro audio/video hardware...AMD even addmitted to this upon question (boy was that a mess). We went back to Intel asap (work comes before games kids).

If incompatibility slows down/hinders any of my employees abilities to get work done...it's outta here. Most professionals adhere to this..Intel is the first/last choice across the board in this scenario.

btw: this is called using your computer wisely kids...where one AACTUALLY MAKES $ USING IT rather than play king of the hill in Unreal Tournament (it's fun..I know...BELIEVE ME I KNOW..I PLAY WHEN I HAVE FREE TIME...but soon it's time to grow up, slow down the game playing a bit and use the computer for some monetary or other benefit kids.)

SO QUIT THE STUPID BANTER ON WHICH IS BETTER I SAY. IF A GAME PLAYER WANTS TO SHOW OFF HIS LATEST SPEEDSTER...GREAT...GO AMD AND SAVE THE CASH.

IF WE'RE TALKING PROFESSIONALS IN THE WORK FORCE - ESPECIALLY IN THE MEDIA/CONTENT BUSINESS (ie - video games). Well the choice for the majority is Intel (sorry AMD freaks...gonna have swallow this).

Personally, I built an AMD oc for the kids, and I of course require Intel in all my workstations.

thanks,
JoeD

 

[TravisBickle]

hmm if you need your computer for work then it goes down as expenses and so the price is not such a concern. AMD sometimes has it issues, but everyone knows it offers better value than Intel, and better performance too. I am not sure many NEED the performance though. I am on a PII300.
go out, get laid... sounds good to me...

 

[HammondB3]

Yes Travis ..exactly.

For most home users..an AMD is going to treat you just fine. If you're in my line of work (or "most" any important business) - Intel is THE ONLY CHOICE. I know firsthand.

Glad to see you ENJOY LIFE outside the system...it's more important anyways

ahhh...women

Joe

 

[Buddabudda]

Ok, I can't resist. You said,

"Ok. First off I feel those involved in "heated" debates over meager benchmarks are COMPLETE DORKS and you need a life.

Get a girlfriend. Please!!!"

Then why did you take so much time to type all this out? Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Your liberal use of caps and repetitive use of 'kiddies' in reference to the reader are idiosyncrasies consistent with that which you slander, a kid.

On to the topic at hand, debates over computer processors and their pros vs. cons do not strike me as a subject debated by those who 'need a life', but rather a good subject that has good points on both sides.

The non-secret of AMD processors and their so called compatibility problems are directly related to the chip-set they run on and in particular the BIOS and drivers they use. Not the chip itself. AMD processors work fine for business applications, and intensive graphical applications. I've never done any professional sound work with AMD processors but it's still a matter of pushing 1's and 0's.

Intel owns most of the server market because of the multiple processor capability and they will probably one day in the future offer a better product than AMD because they are very progressive with their R&D and have the resources to accomplish it. But in the here and now AMD costs less, runs faster and last I checked haven't recalled an entire line of chips like Intel nor released a product with FPU errors. The fact of the matter when it comes to business is that AMD weren't used by large corporations until the OEM manufacturers like Dell started to build and recommend them. Even now, it will take some time for procurement departments to understand that the price savings isn't passed on in quality and realize that a 3 year warranty protects them from their Intel comfort zone.

 

[HammondB3]

I am sure you can't resist Buddah. It's ok..I've read most of you're arguments prior to this. I understand you're ferver.
Fact is AMD cpus require these Mobos/power supplies/etc. k?

Again...In hopes you will understand, there is no bias here. I like AMD and I like Intel - but it's beyond that. I'm saying the "smart" choice in MY line of work, in our small user base...the smartest choice is Intel.

Very sorry, but I will not be dragged into yet another A/B amd vs. intel debate. I'm am telling you where it stands in this scenario (don't jsut ask me - go visit any professional service in this business using PC. You'll find the same.

As for my choice of words for the debating...well i think it still stands.
You're acting like children ..yes children...when you debate the "who's better/faster" without looking at the big picture - "what is it's intended use?"

So please relax, there is DEFINITELY room in this world for both intel and Amd. Any more argument on this will force me to ignore the postings sorry to say...I think there is enough banter on this on this board (please do a search) about common use.

My reply is directed to those in "this line of work"..which has a small user base.

May I ask...are you int this line of work? Do you run a media production company? If so, then please tell me if you're using AMD based systems (if not MAC - which is the majority as of now).

Thanks,
joe

 

[Compellor]

<< AS FOR THE INTEL: Here is why I always choose Intel - COMPATIBILITY >>



I once had this &quot;brainwashed&quot; thought of mind (I used Intel for many years), until I built and started using an AMD Duron system -- which is considered LOW END to many. I wouldn't even go near AMD six months ago, until I discovered recently that the &quot;compatiblity&quot; issue with 99% of the hardware/software out there was non-exsistent. Most of AMD's past problems stemed from the mobo chipsets (VIA, SIS, etc.), which can be attributed to this &quot;compatibility&quot; issue. I use my system for playing games, as well as using professional apps like Adobe Photoshop 5.5 and a professional audio editor called Cool Edit Pro. I even use it for video editing for one of my websites, and no problems exsist with it.

The argument you state has no backing: What hardware/software do you use that is supposedly incompatible with AMD?



<< Fact is AMD cpus require these Mobos/power supplies/etc. k? >>



Untrue. I'm using the same case which housed my Intel system from two years ago. Using the same 300 watt power supply too. I've had no problems with it for the past five months.

 

[HammondB3]

Did you not read the previous posts?

Did you even bother to read the post Best CPU for Hard disk Recording?

Do you not understand the percentages of Intel vs. amd as for testbeds? Especially for like hardware in MY field?

http://forums1.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&amp;threadid=318193

Are you getting angry with me here?
I just need to ask as for the above.

Read up on my postings, rather than shooting from the hip..then we'll discuss.
Other than that, it is now more amd vs. intel banter..and I will not play into this idiocy.

I don't fall for the &quot;I was once brainwashed&quot; technique either - it doesn't relate to my posts (this relates to my line of work..so again...you're posting is pretty much ignored unless your in this line of work. Do you run a media production company? Do you know of any professionals in this field running AMD based systems? ).

I'm going to have to ask which line of work you are in to continue &quot;this&quot; discussion with you. If you are NOT in my line of work, then there is rarely a point when I will value/need your opinion (much like my opinion to you ...it's a small user base, obviously doesn't affect you and your 3dbenchmarks perspective...so you could ignore my posting) Please see topics covered in past posts.

Restated - it is childish when you debate the who's better/faster without looking at the big picture - what is it's intended use?

Note: If you're just providing more info on the positives of using an AMD based system for general home/game use...then I couldn't agree more (again - re-read my postings). Amd is the way to in this arena.

thanks,
Joe

bye

 

[Buddabudda]

Well, I'm not quite sure where you've read all of my arguements before since I don't post here often. Hence, junior member. I know for certain I've never commented on the AMD vs. Intel debate.

I'm not in media production, I'm in consulation/support of more engineering and business applications. AMD is fine on AutoCAD, major database software and anything graphical. Not so long ago I worked for a professional Film/Video company and they use MACs for video editing and used Intel machines as well. The reason they used Intel machines is because that's what Gateway offered at the time and people in the mainstream aren't familiar with AMD. Now that they are being offered its a matter of companies seeing a dollar savings with AMD machines and understanding that they get the same warranties. Companies almost always buy from OEM vendors rather than hand building computers in house. Looking at the big picture as you say is exactly what I'm doing. Most companies use popular business applications and software that AMD does fine with. Even in your case, most video media companies use MACs. When it comes to audio, well I'm not familiar with that sector but I would place a small wager that the high-end audio controller and the software used could offer firmware and driver support that would have solved your issues.

Last, it's not 'childish' to debate issues. However, claiming people who do should stop and go find a woman is. Even my wife finds that offensive.

 

[sandorski]

Not to flame you Hammond, but you are not really acting much different then those you are complaining about. Give us some details: hardware and software used, at the least it may actually help someone make a new system purchase decision, but I'd not be surprised that someone here is using that combination with no problems.

I've seen this kind of thing before. On another board, there was a guy claiming that NT wouldn't work on any AMD cpu. After scores of people chimed in who were running K6/k6-x/Athlon NT combos, he still insisted that such combos couldn't possibly work. Another situation is the supposed VIA chipset Vortex2 incompatibility, it does not exist, or at least myself and hundreds of others have never experienced it.

If you had a problem, give the details and be sure to identify the proper culprit. It would be pointless for someone to go Intel with a VIA mobo only to run into the same problems you had, for example.

 

[Buddabudda]

If you're saying that Intel is the best option for Audio/Video editing that's fine. I've no basis to argue with you since I don't have hands on experience with that equipment or software. But your original post was that people who are in favor of AMD are just kiddies playing games and not looking at the big picture. I would hardly call a market sector like pro-audio/film to make up the big picture.

The biggest reason by far I'm being a sceptic is the continuing urban legend of AMD PROCESSORS somehow being incompatable with hardware and even software applications to a degree. Sounds to me like you are upgrading exsisting PCs in your office and you ran into problems with the one AMD unit you tried. Yes, an AMD processor needs a specific motherboard (like all processors regardless of type) and a powersupply that conforms with AMD specifications (simply put, it must run cool for the most part) Hand building AMD units isn't a compatibility issue but it is an issue of having the right components, making sure the heatsink is mounted correctly and other heating precautions. If those were the areas of pro-Intel points of view I'd understand. But it's this constant myth of compatablility that gets my jaded.

 

[Regalk]

I can understand where he is coming from. It would have been nice if Hammond just made his point maturely and quickly and left it at that rather than rant against gamers, kids and whoever else.
Granted in processor intensive apps businesses would rather not waste resources fixing versus using.
In my line of business (finance) we use a mix of AMD and Intel and since we do not run around updating BIOSes, drivers on perfectly working machines all our machines are very stable - AMD and Intel. Fact is I recommend AMD equipment to a lot of smaller clients wanting to save a bit since they will not be overclocked and are left in the exact state as they are built.
The problems we face are usually from WINBLOWS...
So To answer Hammond's thread - NO YOU MAY NOT ADD to the debate since it has already been beaten to death.

 

[HammondB3]

1. I mean no harm in &quot;finding a woman (or guy - whatever is your thing)&quot; line. It was a short line intended to show &quot;hey, these are computers...go outside, look at the world, fall in love...it's more important&quot;. Plus it seems likely that &quot;you'r not going to meet any women sitting here re-hashing FPU marks of Amd vs. Intel.

I think most people understood this.
Sorry you didn't get it and find it offensive.
(You ask you're wife about msg board posts?..wow.)


2. I could've sworn I saw you're posts in the 36+ long thread on amd vs. intel here. But I don't have time to keep track..sorry if I got the wrong man.

3. As stated before, this is now turning to be more banter on amd. vs. intel...something that looks like has been beaten to death. This is not my point. My point relates to the people in my field and our small (but VERY important) user base. The facts are already laid out there.

BTW:if you're seeing production compnays who's tools are supplied by Gateway. They are either small time, misinformed and poorly managed, or use these systems for business use (most likely scenario).

I've never come across a professional using a Gateway open-box system for the purposes I discuss. Sorry, but I feel you're misinformed.
We agree to disagree.

I think we should end the discussion with you and I based on # 3 and the fact that no reply on &quot;are you in my line of work&quot; is in fact an answer in itself.

thanks,
Joe

 

[HammondB3]

&quot;So To answer Hammond's thread - NO YOU MAY NOT ADD to the debate since it has already been beaten to death&quot;

Exactly what I am doing

I realize that the user base is so small that the post has turned from being directed to those in my field...to yet another amd vs. intel thread. Sorry. It's a different discussion to me...but maybe not to you.

My post was directed to the smaller user base and the smartest choice of system based on compatibility (current and FUTURE). I guess there aren't too many here in this line of work.

So - I do the common casino dealer hand clap and leave this thread.
I've said all I can on it anyway.

thanks,
joe

 

[Fardringle]

I agree that both AMD, Intel, Macs and even *blech* Cyrix have their place, but it still can't be refuted that AMD is simply the best return for the cost. If you prefer to use Intel, that's perfectly fine, and I have no problem with that. One question I do have is one that has already been asked and never answered...WHAT hardware did you use that was supposedly incompatible with the AMD system you tried? I work for a video production company, so yes, we do professional audio and video editing in our company and I very much prefer my AMD system over any Mac or Intel systems I have tried, and have yet to find anything that is 'incompatible' with an AMD/VIA system that is less than a year old. (There were problems with some K6 and K7 solutions, but those have long since been corrected...) As was also mentioned, updated drivers and/or firmware almost certainly would have corrected the problem you had.

 

[Buddabudda]

&quot;BTW:if you're seeing production compnays who's tools are supplied by Gateway. They are either small time, misinformed and poorly managed, or use these systems for business use (most likely scenario).

I've never come across a professional using a Gateway open-box system for the purposes I discuss. Sorry, but I feel you're misinformed.
We agree to disagree.&quot;

Bank of America, Great West, Mine Saftey Health Administration, Janus, and other major clients all use OEM manufacturers. The Film/Video company I worked for didn't. Business professionals and engineers almost exclusively use these Gateway,Dell and Micron machines because they don't give a rats butt what's inside it, only that it works well and the people in these organizations who buy them can get support by having the manufacturer just send in a new part or machine with no down time. Custom built units that your IT staff might build don't offer that.

You were claiming you represented the 'big picture', that's the whole point of my contention to your arguement. The particular industry you work in doesn't represent the bigger picture. In addition, it's so specialized that no one here can offer a counterpoint from your generalizations of AMD 'incompatability' for whatever software you're using. So sure you win, next time I work on a professional audio client I'll make sure we don't have any AMD processors...bleh.

 

[Instigator]

HammondB3,
Have you ever heard of the term troll?

 

[qiu]

Hehe,

lemme tell u guys a nice one:

I'm working @a design company &amp; we have here:

Athlon 550@700
Athlon 750@1000
Athlon 900@1050
Duron 700@950
Dual Celeron 366@550 (the programmer guy wanted dual, &amp; still crashes - boo INTEL )

How's that? hope u like this one ;-)