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Can hard work overcome limitations in intelligence?

I think that anyone can rise to most heights regardless of intelligence, but there are some jobs only available to the highly intelligent, for example I would consider myself reasonably intelligent but I don't think I'm intelligent enough to be a brain surgeon.
 
HAL9000 said:
I think that anyone can rise to most heights regardless of intelligence, but there are some jobs only available to the highly intelligent, for example I would consider myself reasonably intelligent but I don't think I'm intelligent enough to be a brain surgeon.
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Sometimes I wonder if you're intelligent enough to solve a brain teaser. I suggest you set your goals low so you don't get too disappointed.
 
Alone said:
Sometimes I wonder if you're intelligent enough to solve a brain teaser. I suggest you set your goals low so you don't get too disappointed.
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Sometimes I wonder what other people think of me, then I realise that it doesn't matter to me one way or another and I move on.
 
HAL9000 said:
I think that anyone can rise to most heights regardless of intelligence, but there are some jobs only available to the highly intelligent, for example I would consider myself reasonably intelligent but I don't think I'm intelligent enough to be a politician.
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FTFY
Same here except I Know the current politicians aren't intelligent enough either.
 
Nope. Not everyone has the genetics to ascribe to the higher intellectual professions. Just like not everyone has the genetics to be an elite athlete. We are not all equal.
 
In some cases yes, in others no; it depends on how the intelligence is being applied. The question is too vague for a more specific answer than that.
 
Think of intelligence in terms of a bell curve, hard work can move you a few points but no amount of hard work is going to move you too far on that scale.

Now, one of the questions implicit in your primary question is just how intelligent do you need to be to be a NASA scientist, surgeon, or lawyer. I believe that the average person can achieve any of those with hard work, they might not be a world renowned surgeon, or a Nobel Award winning scientist, they probably won't be the ones they make movies about, but there are lots of average people that do average jobs in those fields.
 
No matter how hard you try, there will always be certain things that you just will never be good at. Intelligence is limited by 2 factors. your own ability to grasp the information as taught within the time frame that its being taught to you. less you can afford to repeat college courses over n over. And its largest limitation is your own passion for the desired career.

If your smart enough, you can overcome the lack of passion if you tried due to your ability to grasp the information and pass all the tests but at some point you'll likely fail due to lack of interest. if you lack the ability to learn easily, focus..etc then your passion can only overcome it if you can keep repeating it till you do grasp it, but grasping all the knowledge needed within time frame is the main key obviously, not everyone can do that in all fields of study, especially without passion for it.
 
Some things I learned in the Navy:

Really, really, really smart people and really, really, really dumb people tend to be incredibly lazy. The difference is in how they get out of work.
Most dumb lazy people eventually learn that if they fuck something up real bad or just stand in front of it, staring, that someone else will eventually come along and tell them to just leave it alone while they get competent help to deal with it.
Smart lazy people will manipulate those around them into doing the hard work while they take as much credit as possible.
Or they will find a way to totally goof off while convincing others the work is basically done.

But there are limits. You do need to work at studying but if your brain is not aligned to retain information from books then no amount of hard work will compensate for it. Either find a better way to learn (lots of grad students teach classes on YouTube) or go on to something else.

MY problem is in dealing with others who arent smart enough to manipulate to get work done, but also never learn that not every single thing will be done for them if they just stare at it. School is one of those instances. YOU have to do the fucking work and learn for yourself, so you can pass the classes.

I had a stern upbringing and then I joined the Navy. Failed out of Nuke school (which didnt bother me cuz they had a 90% attrition rate) and then got to chip paint for 3 years before earning my way into the Advanced Electronics program.
When I got out dealing with civilians and their lackluster motivation was a real pain in the butt. Even worse when my job disappeared and I went back to college. I hope this isnt typical but the students I see every day are fucking LAZY bastards. And dumb. And they dont realize that at their stage in life you cannot get by on both attributes at the same time. You need to be either smart and lazy or dumb and hard working.

fuck heads
 
shortylickens said:
Some things I learned in the Navy:

Really, really, really smart people and really, really, really dumb people tend to be incredibly lazy. The difference is in how they get out of work.
Most dumb lazy people eventually learn that if they fuck something up real bad or just stand in front of it, staring, that someone else will eventually come along and tell them to just leave it alone while they get competent help to deal with it.
Smart lazy people will manipulate those around them into doing the hard work while they take as much credit as possible.
Or they will find a way to totally goof off while convincing others the work is basically done.

But there are limits. You do need to work at studying but if your brain is not aligned to retain information from books then no amount of hard work will compensate for it. Either find a better way to learn (lots of grad students teach classes on YouTube) or go on to something else.

MY problem is in dealing with others who arent smart enough to manipulate to get work done, but also never learn that not every single thing will be done for them if they just stare at it. School is one of those instances. YOU have to do the fucking work and learn for yourself, so you can pass the classes.

I had a stern upbringing and then I joined the Navy. Failed out of Nuke school (which didnt bother me cuz they had a 90% attrition rate) and then got to chip paint for 3 years before earning my way into the Advanced Electronics program.
When I got out dealing with civilians and their lackluster motivation was a real pain in the butt. Even worse when my job disappeared and I went back to college. I hope this isnt typical but the students I see every day are fucking LAZY bastards. And dumb. And they dont realize that at their stage in life you cannot get by on both attributes at the same time. You need to be either smart and lazy or dumb and hard working.

fuck heads
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So is it the super smart people who play dumb while pretending to not be smart enough to manipulate?
 
curious why ATOT thinks brain surgery requires the level of intelligence implied in this thread. Yes you have to know the brain's anatomy in pretty vivid detail, but there's not a lot of off-the-cuff problem solving and snap decision making. you work with a more or less known structure and known procedures every day.

"tumor is here, we're going in through the rectum; don't nick the hypothalamus"

The doctors developing new procedures and drugs probably require a significantly higher intelligence than a surgeon. (observation / analysis of cause and effect in an extremely dynamic environment)

The answer to the OP is yes, because i work with a bunch every day. On the one hand, they work for the government and can't be fired so my population may be an outlier, but 100ish IQ people do have jobs in those fields. They couldn't design a space shuttle without killing thousands of people, if that's your question, but they could ultimately get a working example, given enough money (and lives).
 
Kelvrick said:
I would say not everyone, but most can be a scientist or lawyer, but not surgeon.
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I'd agree on the lawyer part (ie, people with average intelligence can become a lawyer), but I think you have to have above average intelligence to be a scientist and a surgeon.
 
Nothing wrong with hard work, and I'm not putting down innate intelligence (and there are a lot of different kinds of intelligence) but -

you're not getting any of those jobs without connections.
 
A moran can become president if his daddy lets him!



btw I purposefully misspled moran...


But seriously folks genetics does play into it. A mouth breather is a mouth breather as it were...



Now some truly talented folks turn into crack heads but the genetically challenged are stuck with their genes for now.
 
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