Can Christians Do Good For Goodness Sake?

[FelixDeCat]

The thing is, it was the same religion that made the problem in the first place.

What are you talking about?

 

[Moonbeam]

The thing is, it was the same religion that made the problem in the first place.

Be reasonable. There are as many religions as people so when you say the same religion made the problem, it was a segment of that religion that decided to believe their religion justified slavery and a different interpretation that said it was wrong to view it that way. And it wasn't the fault of religion, it was greed and the desire to steal the lives of others as slaves to make a nice profit. If the Bible hadn't been handy they would have seen their justification in chicken guts or the movement of Mars. Look at all the whack-bots here who voted for Trump for endless, insane reasons they believe to be sound.

 

[Moonbeam]

Cerpin Taxt : "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use" -Galileo Galileo

m: Please, you know perfectly well there is no god who gave us sense, intellect, and reason. We used those to create god or doubt his existence.

CT: Thank you for conceding that god-belief is irrational. Why you would maintain an irrational belief on purpose defies explanation, but nobody really expected anything rational from you in the first place.

M: It seems you believe in an imaginary being you've named Moonbeam. I didn't concede anything. You have been claiming that the gods people believe in are irrational beliefs and I didn't concede anything because I knew that probably long before you did. My whole point has been to tell you that you are afraid to let go of reason, that you are in a prison of your own making, one that you can't see. Now you are telling me, after I told you there is a form of knowing that is beyond reason that is invisible to you, that you find why I believe that hard to fathom. It defies any explanation you are capable of because you don't have the tools to see it. You are looking for something that can't be seen by the ego, a state that is empty of self. You have no idea you can't make the claims that you do but you make them anyway. That is irrational as hell but in a dimension you can't see. You want to argue. You have skin in this game. I just want to give you a clue that there is a truth you are missing. And also, lost as you are, it's not so nice to beat people on the head because they are lost too.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The problem is that there are consequences to beliefs. If you believe that God will cure your child and that doctors are evil, your children will suffer. If you can get enough people in your society to believe science is a conspiracy from the devil, your society will suffer. One need only look to the Middle East to see what happens when faith is revered more than rationality.

Of course most Christians pray and see doctors.

There's a manufactured either/or which for the most part does not exist, but like with the political divide many wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Puffnstuff]

One need only look to the Middle East to see what happens when faith is revered more than rationality.

I would just like to add that I revere cattle and enjoy dining on them and wearing their skin around my waist and on my feet.

 

[MajinCry]

What are you talking about?

"Christianity was used to justify slavery"
"Christianity was used to dismantle slavery"

Cor, Christians used the same book to finish what it started. What a lovely religion.

Also, why y'all always using my bad side?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

There are as many religions as people...

That's the first intelligent thing you've said in this thread. And it's why atheists laugh at anyone with a religion.

 

[FelixDeCat]

"Christianity was used to justify slavery"
"Christianity was used to dismantle slavery"

Cor, Christians used the same book to finish what it started. What a lovely religion.

Everything was used to justify slavery. You single out Christianity however because of your bias against it.

 

[MajinCry]

Everything was used to justify slavery. You single out Christianity however because of your bias against it.

Does context mean nothing to you?

 

[IronWing]

Does context mean nothing to you?

You aught to consider the context in which you make your arguments. Felix is giddy because Christians just like himself recently elected an atheist divorcee casino owner as President.

 

[MajinCry]

You aught to consider the context in which you make your arguments. Felix is giddy because Christians just like himself recently elected an atheist divorcee casino owner as President.

I know, I know, the guy's not the sharpest cinder block in Easterhouse, but...

Egh.

 

[Puffnstuff]

You aught to consider the context in which you make your arguments. Felix is giddy because Christians just like himself recently elected an atheist divorcee casino owner as President.

More proof that the bible is only a convenient when it says something that they like to hear.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You aught to consider the context in which you make your arguments. Felix is giddy because Christians just like himself recently elected an atheist divorcee casino owner as President.

You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[IronWing]

You dont know what you are talking about.

Trump couldn't have won without Christians such as yourself. Maybe he'll send you a Christmas card or a club membership for his casino, something classy.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Trump couldn't have won without Christians such as yourself. Maybe he'll send you a Christmas card or a club membership for his casino, something classy.

Its a shame that a big number of students at Liberty University openly opposed him for his overt behavior yet the leadership supported him in the name of God. Geez, shades of Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes all over again. Organized religion has always sought money and influence and here they are in the slimelight again (intentional misspelling).

 

[ch33zw1z]

it's a shame for many people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins#Biblical_antecedents

IMO, pretty comprehensive list of what is wrong with our current election cycle, the two atroscities we call candidates, the lackluster outcome, and why any "Christian" should feel shame, sadness, and be in fear for they're eternal placement concerns.

 

[bshole]

Everything was used to justify slavery. You single out Christianity however because of your bias against it.

That is not his point. His point it that the God of Christianity cannot exist because a moral God would never endorse slavery on any level.

You do understand that all the stuff in the Bible that we find morally objectionable now was morally superior for the tribes under it at the time. They didn't need apologetics to explain away the moral evils because at that time they were moral goods.

 

[FelixDeCat]

That is not his point. His point it that the God of Christianity cannot exist because a moral God would never endorse slavery on any level. You do understand that all the stuff in the Bible that we find morally objectionable now was morally superior for the tribes under it at the time. They didn't need apologetics to explain away the moral evils because at that time they were moral goods.

And my point is that the two books of the Bible were written by men from a standpoint of the times they lived in. Passages written by men do not disprove God.
Furthermore, as I said before everything has been used to support whatever they endeavor to do - objectionable or otherwise. No explanation necessary.

Finally, I do good for not simply for goodness sake because I believe in God.

 

[sandorski]

And my point is that the two books of the Bible were written by men from a standpoint of the times they lived in. Passages written by men do not disprove God.
Furthermore, as I said before everything has been used to support whatever they endeavor to do - objectionable or otherwise. No explanation necessary.

Finally, I do good for not simply for goodness sake because I believe in God.

Is it the Word of Man or the Word of God?

 

[IronWing]

And my point is that the two books of the Bible were written by men from a standpoint of the times they lived in. Passages written by men do not disprove God.
Furthermore, as I said before everything has been used to support whatever they endeavor to do - objectionable or otherwise. No explanation necessary.

Finally, I do good for not simply for goodness sake because I believe in God.

150 generations of Christian preachers would like a word with you.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Is it the Word of Man or the Word of God?

150 generations of Christian preachers would like a word with you.

Both of you are missing the point.

 

[IronWing]

Both of you are missing the point.

That you're not actually a Christian? Works for me.

 

[sandorski]

Both of you are missing the point.

What's the point then?

 

[Puffnstuff]

That you're not actually a Christian? Works for me.

If you'll recall I've already proven that he isn't a Christian and only has religion. He believes that his membership in the catholic church will save him when it can do nothing for his salvation just as others believe that their attendance at a particular denomination makes them good with God. I've warned many that sitting in a wooden box telling other men about your sins will not absolve those sins in any way which can only be obtained by confessing your sins to Jesus directly.

 

[IronWing]

If Felix claims to be a Catholic then he needs to review the catechism concerning the nature of the bible.