QFT. I think ATi will probably release some Phantom Edition to have the fastest bestest card there is. This seems to be The Way of The ATi. R580 is more likely to be a great card IMHO, while nVidia will delay the G80 a while to make some more money on the G70 (this is the way of the nvidia).
QFT. I think ATi will probably release some Phantom Edition to have the fastest bestest card there is. This seems to be The Way of The ATi. R580 is more likely to be a great card IMHO, while nVidia will delay the G80 a while to make some more money on the G70 (this is the way of the nvidia).
craaaapppppp
i was looking forward to 32-pipelines
now i'll just recluse back into my beanbag chair
No, because ATi is *already* late to market, and Nvidia's answer to r520 is already out.
People keep thinking the 9700 Pro was ATi's answer to GeForce 4 Ti. It wasn't. It was ATi's answer to NV30, and it definitely beat Nvidia's part due to yield problems and architecture differences. The 9700 Pro vs. G4 Ti argument is moot.
If ATi does release a 16 pipe R520 that somehow bests the 24 pipe G70, it will be a nice move for competition but:
1 - They're very late.
2 - I don't think it'll happen.
People keep thinking the 9700 Pro was ATi's answer to GeForce 4 Ti. It wasn't. It was ATi's answer to NV30, and it definitely beat Nvidia's part due to yield problems and architecture differences. The 9700 Pro vs. G4 Ti argument is moot.
If ATi does release a 16 pipe R520 that somehow bests the 24 pipe G70, it will be a nice move for competition but:
1 - They're very late.
2 - I don't think it'll happen.
QFT and after Ati releases a limited edition that beats all, Nvidia will release a new wonder driver that bests Ati at the cost of image quality as this is the way of Nvidia. Or to put it another way both companies have made questionalbe optimizations - trumpeted drivers that never delivered - and had limited run cards. As for your "phantom" edition - I have one.
Competition is always nice, but I certainly think it's unrealistic to think that competition alone would push down high end prices in any significant way. ATI and Nvidia have been competing for the last few years and it'll still cost you $500+ to buy a really high-end card...
(Not to mention that I can see the appeal in a high-end card that stomps all over everything else out there...if you're spending $600, at least you'd feel you got your money's worth then, instead of just spending that much on something that could be seen as an incremental upgrade.)
I've lost some faith in ATI, thought i'm fairly sure their R520 cards will either be equal or better than the 7800s. This is just judging from previous knowledge...like the x850 (16 pipes) being close to a 7800gt/x (20/24 pipes)....with the R520 OCs, i could see the 16 pipe being closer to the 7800gt or gtx in performance.
just my opinion.
Oh, and since the new ATI cards have SM3, i'm happy
just my opinion.
Oh, and since the new ATI cards have SM3, i'm happy
Wow seriously, no it's not. Calm down. 16 pipes damnit. 4 pipes per "core" and "4 cores" so that maeks 16 pipes.
Look, I may be an ATI fanboy, but I did buy a 7800GT and I won't look back. Even if the R520 beats the crap out of my card, I will not shed one tear.
I hope that the R520 will be a 9700 Pro that kicked NV's @$$ to bring the competition back, but if ATI dies now, I'll seriously be sad.
Meanwhile, I'll smile as I play Doom 3 and HL2 knowing I'm having one of the best cards.
small mistake, it's not a 4 core card(sigh, i still remember the voodoo times....) but it's 4 pipes per "quad" and 4 quads making 16pipes.
first of all, the 8500 was nowhere near the card nvidia offered...
r300 clearly beat the nv30, however, while nv35 certainly didn't catch up, they weren't bad cards.
all info indicates r520 will still be essentially an evolution of the r3xx architecture, and that it will be "comptetive" with nv offerings this gen; looks ati fans will have to hold out for r580 in hopes of "kicking nvidia's ass"...
i just don't understand the desire to have one company "overpower" the other for bragging rights; what's wrong with just owning the best product out there and enjoying it?
r300 clearly beat the nv30, however, while nv35 certainly didn't catch up, they weren't bad cards.
all info indicates r520 will still be essentially an evolution of the r3xx architecture, and that it will be "comptetive" with nv offerings this gen; looks ati fans will have to hold out for r580 in hopes of "kicking nvidia's ass"...
i just don't understand the desire to have one company "overpower" the other for bragging rights; what's wrong with just owning the best product out there and enjoying it?
I dont think either company is in a position to release a card that was as big of a leap in performance as the 9700p. True, the 9700p is not only famous for trumping the fx series, but also because it offered a huge leap over the gf4600 when using AA+AF. I just dont think it's possible anymore with the current technology to make such a huge jump in performance, because such a card (say the 32 pipe r520) would produce so much heat and use so much power that it would cost a lot to produce, and have bad yields, and would cost you a ridiculous amount of money if you could even find one for sale. There's a reason both companies are now pushing dual card solutions, and IMO that's the future of high end graphics, because you can only push a single piece of silicon so far before you hit diminishing results.
1 - Who cares if it's late though, really? Do we really need new generations of video cards every 6 months? I'm glad that they're slowing down the cycle a bit. And nVidia having a faster video card for a few months is not gonna be the doom of ATI.
2 - It will happen. R520 will beat G70 by a comfortable margin. I'd bet every penny I have on it. ATI has some things up their sleeve and the nVidia fanboys are gonna have their foot in their mouth later this year.
ATi *had* some things up their sleeve that probably got eviscerated over the course of 3 retapes.
The "Fewer Pipes with Greater Clockspeed" method has been tried before - it was called NV30 or X800 Pro, and in either case, it got beat by the competition.
In today's graphics, there is no substitute for pipelines. If r520 is a 20+ pipe card, it will be competitive. If it's below that, I'm 99.9% sure it's time to stick a fork in it.
What you're suggesting is that GPU architecture has reached its peak from a design standpoint and that from now on making faster GPUs will only be achieved by adding more pipelines. If that's the case then in a few years I guess we'll have GPUs with 128 pipes that cost $1000. The more pipes you have, the larger and more expensive the chip.
No, I don't agree with that. I think there will be new, innovative ways to make GPUs faster without adding more pipelines. At some point, the brute force approach of adding more and more pipes will reach a point where it's no longer cost effective. I don't know when that will be, but considering that we've already got huge and massively complex (2-3X the transistor count of CPUs?) GPUs that are stretching the limit of what people will pay for a video card ($500? $600?), it's probably not that far off.
ATI already told shareholders that *if* they could get their clockspeed high enough the r520 "should" match the 7800GTX performance. However they did acknowledge that NVIDIA could clock their cards higher.
This "conference call" was mentioned in this forum as well as others. Fact is, ATI cannot lie to the stockholders. Your comment "R520 will beat G70 by a comfortable margin." already puts your foot in your mouth. Ati has already stated this will not happen. Performance of both WILL be close. In fact, from that conference call we can gather ATI wasn't entirely confident in how high they could get the clockspeeds.
D
This "conference call" was mentioned in this forum as well as others. Fact is, ATI cannot lie to the stockholders. Your comment "R520 will beat G70 by a comfortable margin." already puts your foot in your mouth. Ati has already stated this will not happen. Performance of both WILL be close. In fact, from that conference call we can gather ATI wasn't entirely confident in how high they could get the clockspeeds.
D
Yeah. I'm betting that conference call would be quite different if ATi had a 32 pipe, 700MHz monster that would double the performance of G70. When ATi think that they may be able to beat G70, they certainly wont be crushing them any time soon.
from what i had read, it was orignially assumed they could hit 700 to 800mhz . now the rumors are 650 tops. 800mhz probably would have beat the g70 , but they are having trouble getting to 650 as it is.
i would bet that the "phantom xt pe" type cards, will be the 650 mhz core cards, 600mhz for xt and 500mhz for xl with all thsoe crappy cards below that.
this card probabyl wont be a total bust, perhaps in the next gen they can beat them.
also it probably doesnt have 32pipes on that die, as the die is physically about the same size as r480 (which was made on a 110nm process). seeing as that had 16 pipes, this is an "evolution" of that, and the new r520 has sm3 added (which is why the 6800 series die was larger than the r480 dies) then it probably has 16 pipes. maybe they got 20 or 24 in there, but i seriously doubt it with their whole "quad core" nomenclature in the press releases.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 22K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
News NVIDIA and Intel to Develop AI Infrastructure and Personal Computing Products- Started by poke01
- Replies: 400
Facebook
Twitter