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Can anyone name ONE single reason for our inaction on The Sudan?

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Lifer
Other than they are black. One of the sickest situations in the World, and lack Rwanda we are just sitting there. We've even recognized that it is Genocide, but that's only enough if we invade your country, don't find WMD, and then have to have a good reason.

Look, I was for the war in Iraq, but it wasn't a damn humanitarian mission. Now that we've called it such -- said we are there to protect them from Saddam's genocide and his ethnic atrocities against the Kurds, how in the hell can we ignore Darfur?

IT IS ETHNIC GENOCIDE. We demonized the Nazis and Hitler to this DAY for the *exact* same type of atrocities.

If anyone claims we are not the world police, I will be inclined to beat you about the skull with a crowbar. We've made ourselves the world police, and if Iraq, Somalia, and other instances don't prove it, then I don't know what does. There's NO defense to use not stopping this. May God have mercy on our souls for not preventing wholesale murder, rape, and ethnic cleansing.

The biggest failure of Bill Clinton's Presidency was not addressing Rwanda. If you've ever seen Hotel Rwanda you'll understand how the entire freaking civilized world was waiting on us to intervene, and it wasn't for that Canadian General even more would have been lost. We did nothing. Nothing. No show of force. No precision airstrikes against the Rebels. Nothing. We allowed Millions to die, and for what? For what? So we can invade Iraq to "liberate" the Iraqi people.

Oh what a glorious trade. Instead of getting a country full of citizens tied of tyranny and wanting protection, we decide to attack a country that wants nothing of it. I dare say -- I doubt there would have been a single suicide in Darfur by putting a stop to the abominable acts going on there. For this nation to do nothing -- for us not to care -- in arguably one of the WORST atrocities of this world is despicable. We might not have been able to stop Hitler until the end of WWII, but there is little doubt that something could have been done for the Darfur. There's zero defense against our behavior, unless of course, you are a penultimate hypocrite.

There's no evidence -- logic wise or otherwise -- that suggest we'd been incapable of restoring order. There's no evidence that the genocide is NOT taking place -- on the contrary -- we've admitted their is genocide there. But, what do we do? We sit on our asses and spend 200 billion on Iraq.

Sickening. Disgusting. Makes me ashamed to be an American. Makes me ashamed to be a human fvcking being.
 
Originally posted by: joshw10
oil

*yawn*

If we could keep this above a third grade level I'd be much obliged. Please don't turn this fvcking thread into an Iraq debate. I can't see how in the slightest we've benefited economically from invading Iraq -- on the contrary I'd argue. Anyway, keep that nonsense in the other 3,468,783,001 threads on the subject.

Thanks.
 
Originally posted by: joshw10
oil

Sudan has oil. It's the reason why some countries don't want to take action in Sudan.

The US hasn't done much in regards to the Sudan because it probably doesn't have much strategic importance under any circumstances in relation to the US. However, the US was involved in peace talks and ended of the other conflicts in Sudan and has addressed this with the UN. However, many other countries have decided that there is not a genocide in Sudan. However, many countries have been opposed to any action, some even not wanting prevention of weapons sales.

Ideally, the US should help out, just as any other country should be helping out Sudan. However, I believe that the African Union is wanting to try to fix it now. I suppose that US soldiers in Sudan would spark more outrage and cries of American imperialism, but it would probably result in better circumstances for the people there. Ideally, the US should do something there.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: joshw10
oil

Sudan has oil. It's the reason why some countries don't want to take action in Sudan.

The US hasn't done much in regards to the Sudan because it probably doesn't have much strategic importance under any circumstances in relation to the US. However, the US was involved in peace talks and ended of the other conflicts in Sudan and has addressed this with the UN. However, many other countries have decided that there is not a genocide in Sudan. However, many countries have been opposed to any action, some even not wanting prevention of weapons sales.

Ideally, the US should help out, just as any other country should be helping out Sudan. However, I believe that the African Union is wanting to try to fix it now. I suppose that US soldiers in Sudan would spark more outrage and cries of American imperialism, but it would probably result in better circumstances for the people there. Ideally, the US should do something there.

Which is my point. Regardless of how other country's feel (Iraq shows we don't care) and regardless of any "fix" the African Union claims to be implementing -- we've a moral obligation, as well as an obligation based on prior foreign policy. We can't -- not matter how much we want to -- just don our Klan robes, call them ******* and say whoops we're not only hypocritical fools, but damnable egocentric ones at that.

 
The UN is doing some things, I posted a link in a similar thread recently that catalogued what they were doing. A Peace Keeping force made up of African Nations and equipped by European, Canadian, and others was put together. I believe the US is contributing in some fashion, but I didn't read that much of the details.

edit:

The US has too many resources tied up in Iraq and elsewhere to contribute Troops directly, I would think.
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
The UN is doing some things, I posted a link in a similar thread recently that catalogued what they were doing. A Peace Keeping force made up of African Nations and equipped by European, Canadian, and others was put together. I believe the US is contributing in some fashion, but I didn't read that much of the details.

edit:

The US has too many resources tied up in Iraq and elsewhere to contribute Troops directly, I would think.

The US has plenty of troops and plenty of money. It is simply inaction. I know you say contributing directly would be a problem, but we've plenty of units and men that aren't being used or whom would be more suited for Darfur than Iraq or other areas. We've still got a massive military, and with International help this is doable.

IMHO, the UN is equally as responsible and deserving of scorn -- if not more -- as the US on Darfur.
 
It's not just American Military involvment, the genocide gets zero coverage on the news. When is the last time you have heard anything about it on NBC, ABC, even FOX? Michael Jackson and that Aruba girl got all the coverage instead. :roll:

MTV News...FREAKING MTV NEWS....is the only news station to actually send field reporters and do serious coverege of the Sudan situation.
 
You may not want to turn this into an Iraq thread, but it is inevitable. Really, it's just another nail in the coffin of the "we went into Iraq to free the Iraqi people" argument. If Bush and the PNAC were such humanitarians we would have gone after much worse regimes than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The fact of the matter is that, as was already stated earlier in this thread, the US has less of an economic interest in the Sudan.
 
Sudan never allowed people to train in terrorism in order to attack us on our own soil., thus it's not our problem. The Middle East has been a thorn in the world's side for over 30 years now and 9/11 was the last straw.

Oh wait, I meant to say there's more oil in Iraq so we're taking it over! Also, Bush trained the Al-Qaeda terrorists in flight school & gave their families free oil for life for doing their duty! Did you know the pilot of the second plane to hit the Twin Towers received a Medal of Congressional Honor for serving his country so well?? Conspiracies & propaganda will go as far and as deep as the weak minds allow them to go.
 
Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Sudan never allowed people to train in terrorism in order to attack us on our own soil., thus it's not our problem. The Middle East has been a thorn in the world's side for over 30 years now and 9/11 was the last straw.

Oh wait, I meant to say there's more oil in Iraq so we're taking it over! Also, Bush trained the Al-Qaeda terrorists in flight school & gave their families free oil for life for doing their duty! Did you know the pilot of the second plane to hit the Twin Towers received a Medal of Congressional Honor for serving his country so well?? Conspiracies & propaganda will go as far and as deep as the weak minds allow them to go.

Actually, that's where they trained before they went to Afghanistan.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
We have a job in Iraq and Afghanistan to finish first.

Maybe we should ask our "Allies" like Germany, France, and Russia to step up to the plate for this Sudan situation. You think that would work?

IMO if we don't or won't go in ourselves due to other commitments, then the least we should do is to convince our "Allies" to do something.
 
1. No oil
2. Not close enough to threaten Israel
3. No infrastructure to "rebuild', thus no gouging opportunities for Haliburton
4. No Bush family ties in nearby nations.
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Sudan never allowed people to train in terrorism in order to attack us on our own soil., thus it's not our problem. The Middle East has been a thorn in the world's side for over 30 years now and 9/11 was the last straw.

Oh wait, I meant to say there's more oil in Iraq so we're taking it over! Also, Bush trained the Al-Qaeda terrorists in flight school & gave their families free oil for life for doing their duty! Did you know the pilot of the second plane to hit the Twin Towers received a Medal of Congressional Honor for serving his country so well?? Conspiracies & propaganda will go as far and as deep as the weak minds allow them to go.

Actually, that's where they trained before they went to Afghanistan.


Yes, bin Laden's last place of residence was Sudan.
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
1. No oil
2. Not close enough to threaten Israel
3. No infrastructure to "rebuild', thus no gouging opportunities for Haliburton
4. No Bush family ties in nearby nations.

The genocide in Sudan took place before Bush was even elected.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: smack Down
Duh bush doesn't care about black people


The genocide in Sudan took place before Bush was even elected.

People who stand by and do nothing are still just as guilty as the people who didn't fix the problem in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: smack Down
Duh bush doesn't care about black people


The genocide in Sudan took place before Bush was even elected.

People who stand by and do nothing are still just as guilty as the people who didn't fix the problem in the first place.

I agree. Something should have been done about Sudan. But as many as 2 million Sudanese were slaughtered years ago. If Clinton wasn't capable of, or didn't see the need to do something then, why are you all expecting Bush to do something now? I am starting to think some of you have no idea of the what's and when's regarding Sudan.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: smack Down
Duh bush doesn't care about black people


The genocide in Sudan took place before Bush was even elected.

The Civil War, which killed over a million, took place before Dubya took office. But the conflict in Darfur is ongoing.

And for the person saying Sudan has no oil, it has over a billion barrels in reserves. It's not about to set records with around a billion barrels, but it's a lot more than most countries.
 
1.) We have a long standing history of not mucking about in Africa
2.) You can't tell the good guys form the bad guys
3.) UN is there with more than a little support
4.) The French are busy really fvcking things up so we'll have to step in someday (but not today)
5.) The region is so unstable, CNN & it's ilk aren't keeping reporters anywhere near the action so they can't splash it up on TV & drum up support. (We're sorry to report Wolf Blitzer has been hunted down like a dog & his liver was eaten.)


There is oil in Africa, quite a bit actually...
 
Why doesn't Bush react to the genocide in the Sudan? For the same reason he didn't react to Hurricane Katrina, the same reason the Pentagon is re-writing the rules on pre-emptive use of tactical nuclear weapons. The world now knows that the USA doesn't have the resources to handle more than one front at a time conventionally. Unfortunately, Bush chose to handle a false threat in Iraq that put everything else in the back seat, or more precisely, out of the car completely.

I wonder if Georgie wishes he had that $200 billion he wasted so far in Iraq. It really doesn't matter. The fiscally conservative Bush will just pass his record debt onto future generations.
 
When we can dig down and pull a horrible disgusting term like"Ethnic Cleansing" out then there is obviously something wrong that needs some help.

Durfar region needs help IMO
 
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