can an athlete ever recover mentally from what has happened to Kim?

[jonnyjack]

<< I can't blame everything on him for the game 4 because the 1st base guy(dont' know his name) slipped and missed easy ground ball, allowing man on 1st base.
I would like to see him go back game 6 7 and D back win .

hey my last name is Kim too, anyone else here? >>

i think you're talking about craig counsell, the arizona 2nd baseman...he slipped so he wasn't able to throw out the guy at first but it was after the homerun so the game was already tied...they did end up ending the inning before the runner on first scored...so his error didn't mean anything...

but yeah, i watched both games and after today's homerun it looked like kim was going to cry...damn them yanks! i've been rooting against the yanks since they beat the A's...hehe

come on johnson and schilling...actually they're pretty much going to take care of the yankee bats...they just need run support...arizona is going to go as crazy new york was if the backs win the series at home...

 

[Pocatello]

I blame the manager for grasping defeat from victory for the loss, he shouldn't had put Kim in that situation in the first place.

 

[holden j caufield]

it also begs the question of whether or not Kim is done for the series? I would think so in any kind of close situation. If the DBacks had a huge lead then Brenly can let him go and give him some confidence but if Brenly lets him pitch in one more close game he is probably the dumbest or bravest manager ever.

 

[neovan]

<< well, chan ho's 2 grand slams in one inning to the same player didn't ruin his career. now that's pretty damn embarrassing. giving up #70 & 71 to bonds didn't ruin his career...

but damn that's gotta be devastating to byung hyun... i would not like to be him right now. >>


please go back to your hole and don't come back.

 

[cx32m4]

<<

<< I can't blame everything on him for the game 4 because the 1st base guy(dont' know his name) slipped and missed easy ground ball, allowing man on 1st base.
I would like to see him go back game 6 7 and D back win .

hey my last name is Kim too, anyone else here? >>

i think you're talking about craig counsell, the arizona 2nd baseman...he slipped so he wasn't able to throw out the guy at first but it was after the homerun so the game was already tied...they did end up ending the inning before the runner on first scored...so his error didn't mean anything...

but yeah, i watched both games and after today's homerun it looked like kim was going to cry...damn them yanks! i've been rooting against the yanks since they beat the A's...hehe

come on johnson and schilling...actually they're pretty much going to take care of the yankee bats...they just need run support...arizona is going to go as crazy new york was if the backs win the series at home... >>



opps yea i mixed up

 

[holden j caufield]

yes chan ho gave up two slammies in an inning and yes he did give up 70 and 71 but he's an aggressive pitcher who I actually think deserves some credit for having the integrity to pitch to Bonds in such a situation. Now giving up two slammies in one inning sucks but that was a regular season game, it'd be almost the same as losing 1-0. you still loose but without the bloated ERA.

 

[spanky]

i just feel bad for the guy. but then again, when the game is over, he still gets paid and the groupies will still be there. somehow i think he will manage.

 

[masterxfob]

it all depends on an atheletes mentality, is he strong inside? or will he bend to what the press has to say?

kobe got a lot of bad press after that series, but he's strong inside and he didn't let that stuff bother him because he knew what he was capable of. i mean, look at the guy now.

as for kim, it might be a bit harder on him because koreans are so fuking we todd did (no offense, i am also korean). koreans expect so much and add tons of pressure, has anyone seen the korean newspapers, tv? he's all over the place, it's like he's the only thing they care about.

i'm basically a korean chris rock. he speaks the truth, and so do i.

 

[hkssupra69]

Derek Jeter's homerun would not have been a homerun in any other park, 314 down the right field line is a joke. And dammit, I'm a beloved patriot too.
Oh and another thing, there's all this pressure on him b/c we're proud of his accomplishments and we want him to do well so that maybe he can set a name for koreans ya know? I know he'll be fine, he's still young, freak he's only a year older than I am, he has a loooooooooong career. As for Chan Ho, he has some nasty stuff but his control really is a problem, he would be the ace of almost any staff in the majors though.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Another good example is Kenny Rogers

In 1999 against the braves in game 6 the Mets kept making comebacks in one of the best series that i can remember, anyway Kenny Rogers ended up walking in the run winning run of the game/series

he left NY as he knew he couldnt play there anymore and hasnt really been at the same level ever since

 

[jaydee]

Mark Wholers: Can't beat 'em, join 'em!

 

[Supahfreak]

I think once Randy and Curt shut them out in 6 & 7 I'll be happy. He'll probably sit out the rest of the series but IF they win he'll be alright. Actually he didnt look too good in the close ups when they pulled him out(can you blame him?)

FreAk

D-Back's in 7!!!!!!!

 

[jjones]

i don't think kim will recover. i think he should be sent down to the minors; the d'backs need a better closer. this series would be over if it weren't for kim's lousy pitching and giving up the long ball.

 

[Superdoopercooper]

<< kim is the pitcher for the d backs.......2 nights straight he gave up a 2 run homer in the 9th with 2 outs for yanks to tie and eventually win in extra innings.....pretty close games >>



Why'd they put the same pitcher (relief pitcher I'm guessing) TWO nights in a row?? People usually pitch every 3-5 days or so, if I'm not mistaken. It seems like they were just setting this poor kid up for failure?!

Somebody enlighten me (I didn't watch the game, but find this topic interesting).

 

[alareau]

who was the releiver for the philys that gave up the homerun to Joe Carter in the 93 World series.
Now that guy got shunned, i heard he was getting death threats and stuff

 

[Supahfreak]

Those guys that send death threats are struggling with reality. I know these dudes make millions of $'s but its still a game. Anyway, he can't read threats anyway cause he doesnt speak/read english AT ALL The world we live in... scarey

FreAk

 

[FrysInsider]

<< Why'd they put the same pitcher (relief pitcher I'm guessing) TWO nights in a row?? People usually pitch every 3-5 days or so, if I'm not mistaken. It seems like they were just setting this poor kid up for failure?! >>



Yeah Kim came out of the bullpen two nights in a row. Relief pitchers can be called up back to back games.

 

[dman]

I think, for Kim, it now depends on if the DBACKS can pull a miracle comeback at home. They have a good chance of evening it up w/ RJohnson on the mound. And I think Shilling[sic] can pitch again in Game 7 if needed. If however, the series is lost then Kim is definitely on the hook and will not be appreciated anywhere. Maybe he'll end up in Boston. I could see that happening. :Q

I really don't blame it all on Kim. Even though they were up 2runs in the 9th, that's generally NOT enough for the Yankee's to be stopped. I've seen it happen on more than a few occasions. The Yankees don't give up! (Atlanta was another team that was good for staging late inning comebacks, although not so much recently).

It's just unfortunate that Kim had to prove that. Kim did look pretty good while he was getting the first few outs (going full counts before striking out a few of them), I thought he had a chance getting the last out in both games. That said, last night I was sort of expecting the home run, especially with the man on second.

 

[sciencetoy]

If Kim is smart he'll look at it as his introduction to the REAL big leagues. I mean, everybody knows that the Yankees are famous for this kind of comeback - they seem to thrive on situations like this, the more pressure the better. Kim is a good pitcher but it would have taken an all-time genius great to shut down the Yanks with all of that energy and expectations and talent.

I personally have a problem with the Dback manager putting Kim in the second time. Giving him a chance to make up for Wednesday night? That wasn't an ordinary ball game, that was the damn world series with Tino and Jeter releasing a lot of pent-up energy. Let him get his bearings back in the regular season, because he has a lot of talent and promise. I hope that Kim can focus enough of his anger and bad feelings on the guys who put him into an impossible situation, and come back.

But do I think he will? Nah. He's done.

 

[spanky]

<< who was the releiver for the philys that gave up the homerun to Joe Carter in the 93 World series.
Now that guy got shunned, i heard he was getting death threats and stuff >>





u mean mitch "wild thing" williams? i think that was his name.

i think kim will keep on the down low for a while. he's been serving up a ton of home runs in sept tho.
i wonder tho...if he comes back and allows another game winning home run, will he be voted MVP???

 

[MrDingleDangle]

here is a good article on the situation-

ESPN


i didnt know he through 62 pitches the night before....but he is their closer...their bullpen is horrible...bad situation to put a 22year old...but they want to win the world series and he's their best hope in that situation

 

[Vladimir0]

Calvin Schiraldi ('86 Red Sox) is another one who never recovered, and Jose Mesa ('95 Indians) wasn't the same until six years later. In fact, Dennis Eckersley is really the only pitcher I can think of who used a postseason collapse as motivation to get even better.

 

[fastcobra]

<< byung...you lose family face! you go back of counter and run liquor store! >>


LMAO
I do feel bad for the kid, he's got great style on the mound. Hopefully he will be around awhile.
I hate the Yankees, but New York could use some happy excitement.

 

[CocaCola5]

KIM =SUCKK!!

 

[KevinH]

The fact that Kim gave up those runs was not entirely his fault. Brenly did NOT put him in a situation to win.

The guy hasn't pitched 2 innings in a game since July and Brenly pulled Schilling outta game 4 after the 7th. Kim retired the side in the eight and damned near finished off the Yanks in the 9th. They were asking too much out of him. He threw almost as many pitches as Schilling did in that game...and he's a freaking closer for god's sake.


After that outing there was no way he was going to come into the game and succeed in game 5. Bottom line, they should have kept Schilling in at least midway through the 8th in game four and I think the entire complexion of the series would have changed.