Can access internet but can't talk between network computers

[spoma]

I just purchased a D-Link Broadband Router DI-704P and I am trying to set up a small network at my house. I am setting up two computers. Theya re both able to access the internet through thte router but neither one of them can see eachother. I want them to be able to share files between the two. I must be missing something simple and I can't figure it out. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Poontos]

I heard the FAQ has a networking section.

Hurry and go there before you get slapped by Andy Hui!

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/faqs.html?c=12

Go to the File Sharing one. Should help ya.

Good luck!

 

[spoma]

I have read the FAQ already and I had already done all of that. The problem I am having seems to be on the XP machine. I have an XP machine and a 98SE mahcie that are the two computers. When I click on entire network on the 98SE machine it sees itself but does not see the XP machine. Any idea of a setting that I could be missing on the XP mahicne.

 

[spoma]

The XP machine can ping the 98SE machine but the 98SE machine can not ping the XP mahcine. I have run the XP setup wizard and I don't seem to be getting anywhere. Help would be appreciated.

EDIT: I think I have narrowed the problem down. The XP machine is not able to ping itself either. So this has to be the problem. It can ping the 98SE machine and the gateway along with accessingthe internet but cannot ping itself. how is this possible?

 

[rpc64]

I'm no network guru(yet), but I don't think computers with different operating systems will be able to see each other on the network. I think they both must have the same os. I had a similar question to yours, except I wanted to know if a 98 machine and an XP machine could share an internet connection. So I guess you answered my question

To others: Am I right about the different os thing?

Oh yeah, I do know that if the XP machine is using NTFS file system, the 98 machine will not be able to see it.

 

[Ben]

spoma, can't help you much without more information. I assume your running TCP/IP on both computers? Static IP's or DHCP?

rpc64, different OS's can share files just fine as long as they're both using the same protocol, TCP/IP, etc. You can even share files between a Windows OS and Unix, Linux, etc. A good example of this is the Internet itself, since Windows, Linux, and Unix servers are serving Windows and Linux clients web pages and files. For this same reason, the file system on any machine is irrelevant.

 

[spoma]

They are both using TCP/IP and I have set up the D-Link router for DHCP yet I have assigned a static IP to these two ocmputers via there MAC address. My reasoning for this was I always wanted these two computers to have the same ip but sometimes I bring a laptop home from work and those are already dhcp so now I can just plug it in.

I am still unable to share files between these two ocmputers. I am trying to share out a FAT32 drive on the XP machine. I also still have the sam eissue where the XP machine can not even ping itself. The 98SE machine seems to be setup correctly but the XP mahcine has something wrong.

 

[Doh!]

Post your network settings (ipconfig or status panel of your nic for xp, winipcfg for win98). This will speed up the problem solving.

 

[spoma]

XP machine is:
ip adress: 11.11.0.5
mask: 255.255.255.0
gateway: 11.11.0.1

98SE machine is:
ip address: 11.11.0.6
mask: 255.255.255.0
gateway: 11.11.0.1

is this what you wanted to know?

 

[ojai00]

<< I'm no network guru(yet), but I don't think computers with different operating systems will be able to see each other on the network. >>



Good you're not a network guru (yet) . I recently set up a network at home with my 2 PCs and my XP Pro computer saw the 98 computer fine. We were able to transfer files and everything. spoma, are you sure that you have the same workgroup set on both of your computers? That might be why you're unable to see the other computer. Also, I don't think that you mentioned it anywhere in your posts, but you do have File and Printer Sharing enabled and you are sharing something on your drives right?

 

[spoma]

I have setup a workgroup of MSHOME on both PCs. I def have file and print sharing enabled on 98SE and I am pretty sure that I also have it enabled on XP. How do I check this on XP? I still have to feel that the problem is directly realted to the fact that the XP machine can not ping itself. Both machines can ping the 98SE machine and the gateway and neither can ping the XP machine.

 

[ojai00]

If you have that network icon on your taskbar, you can double click it and then select Properties. That should tell you all the protocols you have installed on your computer. You can also try clicking on the Support Tab and then click Repair, and see if that helps. If you have a spare NIC lying around, you might want to plug that into the XP machine and take out the one that's already in there to see if the problem is a busted NIC. Good luck.

 

[spoma]

The problem can not be a broken nic because the xp machine is able to ping the gateway and can also access the internet. a broken nic would not allow me to access anything. with xp i do not have the network icon on the desktop like with the old windows. i know what protocols i have installed on the pc. print and file sharing is installed along with tcp/ip.

 

[ddeder]

I seem to be having the exact same problem trying to network two Windows XP Home machines together. I am using the D-Link DI704 router. At the moment, I am just trying to get the two computers networked together without internet access. One computer pings the network card just fine, the other gives me the message "Destination host unreachable". I know the network cards are okay as I had these computers networked together "nic to nic" without a problem.

Under Loacal Area Connection Properties, I have the following for each computer:

Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

Properties for Internet Protocol on Machine #1 (ping does not work):

Use the following IP address:

192.168.0.115 IP address
255.255.255.0 Subnet Mask
192.168.0.1 Default Gateway

Properties for Internet Protocol on Machine #2 (ping works fine):

Use the following IP address:

192.168.0.116 IP address
255.255.255.0 Subnet Mask
192.168.0.1 Default Gateway



Use the following DNS Server Address is checked but there are no values for the Preferred or Alternate DNS server.

I have Norton Internet Security 2002 loaded on the machine that I cannot ping but not on the machine that I can ping. Could this possibly be causing the problem?

 

[spoma]

That is a good thought. I have norton firewall on my XP machine that I have been having trouble with. I will try disabling that tonight and see if it makes any difference.

 

[ddeder]

I uninstalled Norton Internet Security from the machine that I could not ping. Surprise, surprise, I can now ping that nic. Think I found the problem here...

 

[Ben]

<< I have norton firewall on my XP machine that I have been having trouble with. >>


I think you just solved your problem.

 

[lozina]

Also might wanna make sure netBIOS is not diasbled.

 

[spoma]

I am not able to test this till tonight but sounds like we have the solution. Thanks guys. So does this mean that I can not run any firewall software on my XP pc? Is the firewall in the router good enough?

 

[ojai00]

Just disable it until you can get it to work. After it works, then you can enable it again. I had that same problem a while back.

 

[spoma]

disabling the firewall allowed me to ping around the network. now on the xp machine i can see both pcs in the workgroup although it says i don't have access rights to view the 98se pc from the xp mahcine. the 98se machine can ping the xp but still does not see it in network neighborhood.

 

[spoma]

I am now able to fully access the XP machine from the 98 machine. I am just unable to access the 98 mahcine from the XP machine. Guys thanks for all the help i am making good progress.

 

[Ben]

Do you have the "guest" account enabled on the XP box?

 

[ZombieBob]

for 98SE and XP to network ,install protocol NetBeui on the two computers
the 98se system installs normal (may be there, all ready) ,but you got to work at XP
Install NetBEUI on Windows XP --- Windows XP CD Valueadd\MSFT\Net\NetBEUI folder.
The files necessary for installing the NetBEUI protocol on Windows XP are Netnbf.inf and Nbf.sys.

Complete the following steps to install NetBEUI:
---1--- Copy Nbf.sys to the C:\windows\System32\Drivers directory.(has to be there)
---2--- Copy Netnbf.inf to the C:|windows\Inf hidden directory.
---3--- Click Start, goto setting , Network Connections ,click Locate Area Connection.
---4--- Click on Properties , on Locate Area Connection , click install ,Click Protocol,
---5--- Click Add ,Click to select NetBEUI Protocol from the list and then click OK.
Restart your computer if you receive a prompt to complete the installation.

The NetBEUI protocol should now be installed and working.
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