Can a state break away from the Union and declare independence?

[LordMorpheus]

I think Texas has an escape clause in their state constitution, but it would never happen (and I doubt washington would recognize the secession).

 

[IronWing]

The Arizona legislature voted to secede back in the mid-90s. The Gov wisely vetos the bill.

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
No anyone who has taken US history knows after the Civil War it was made officially illegal.

so? IF they are willing ot leave the US i don't t hink they care to much about US law at that point..

In the context of the OP, yes. Saying of the legalities of properly enter the union and then doing the reverse, no.

You cannot without a war go through court and such and say states rights and all that crap and break away without a fight.

And what army would stop a state from leaving the union?
The same army that is currently busy fighting in Iraq and Afganistan? Or would the Feds call in help from the unUnited Nations?

Personally if CA wanted to leave let em, It would stack the vote infavor of more rational people in DC.

LOL you watch too much CNN. You and your state go break away, let me know how it goes after you are starving and have no money because the rest of the US cut you off.

My state has the largest US naval port on the East Coast and the master jet base for the US Navy(which is like a 15 minute drive from my house). We have no reason to breakaway............











yet.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
No anyone who has taken US history knows after the Civil War it was made officially illegal.

so? IF they are willing ot leave the US i don't t hink they care to much about US law at that point..

In the context of the OP, yes. Saying of the legalities of properly enter the union and then doing the reverse, no.

You cannot without a war go through court and such and say states rights and all that crap and break away without a fight.

And what army would stop a state from leaving the union?
The same army that is currently busy fighting in Iraq and Afganistan? Or would the Feds call in help from the unUnited Nations?

Personally if CA wanted to leave let em, It would stack the vote infavor of more rational people in DC.

LOL you watch too much CNN. You and your state go break away, let me know how it goes after you are starving and have no money because the rest of the US cut you off.

My state has the largest US naval port on the East Coast and the master jet base for the US Navy(which is like a 15 minute drive from my house). We have no reason to breakaway............

yet.

Can your state pay to keep them toys running? If so, please go, take the burden off my state*.



*Actually, Arizona would be an absolute economic basket case without the constant inflow of tax dollars from other states. Thanks guys.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Hypothetically, under what circumstances will this happen?

When the Mexican population in CA reaches 83.5%

So around March 2008?

Yep.

 

[Adn4n]

It is no longer legal to do so.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
No anyone who has taken US history knows after the Civil War it was made officially illegal.

so? IF they are willing ot leave the US i don't t hink they care to much about US law at that point..

In the context of the OP, yes. Saying of the legalities of properly enter the union and then doing the reverse, no.

You cannot without a war go through court and such and say states rights and all that crap and break away without a fight.

And what army would stop a state from leaving the union?
The same army that is currently busy fighting in Iraq and Afganistan? Or would the Feds call in help from the unUnited Nations?

Personally if CA wanted to leave let em, It would stack the vote infavor of more rational people in DC.

LOL you watch too much CNN. You and your state go break away, let me know how it goes after you are starving and have no money because the rest of the US cut you off.

My state has the largest US naval port on the East Coast and the master jet base for the US Navy(which is like a 15 minute drive from my house). We have no reason to breakaway............











yet.

ALL which belong to the US Navy, so not only would you be screwed, you'd be screwed quicker.

But, wait, I thought you said they were all off fighting Bush's wars? Guess not...hmmm...

 

[mrkun]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Amused
It was tried once. Lots of people died.

Hah, yeah.

And I wouldn't say California and Texas are economically independent. Every state benefits from being a part of the whole.

Umm, no. California actually pays out more money to Uncle Sam than it receives back. Basically, we subsidize the South.

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Hypothetically, under what circumstances will this happen?

When the Mexican population in CA reaches 83.5%

We passed that. We are d - r - o - w - n - i - n - g !

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
No anyone who has taken US history knows after the Civil War it was made officially illegal.

so? IF they are willing ot leave the US i don't t hink they care to much about US law at that point..

In the context of the OP, yes. Saying of the legalities of properly enter the union and then doing the reverse, no.

You cannot without a war go through court and such and say states rights and all that crap and break away without a fight.

And what army would stop a state from leaving the union?
The same army that is currently busy fighting in Iraq and Afganistan? Or would the Feds call in help from the unUnited Nations?

Personally if CA wanted to leave let em, It would stack the vote infavor of more rational people in DC.

LOL you watch too much CNN. You and your state go break away, let me know how it goes after you are starving and have no money because the rest of the US cut you off.

My state has the largest US naval port on the East Coast and the master jet base for the US Navy(which is like a 15 minute drive from my house). We have no reason to breakaway............











yet.

ALL which belong to the US Navy, so not only would you be screwed, you'd be screwed quicker.

But, wait, I thought you said they were all off fighting Bush's wars? Guess not...hmmm...

All the navy is good for is busing Marines and lobbing cruise missles.
The Navy is totally useless fighting "rebels" in the heartland.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
No anyone who has taken US history knows after the Civil War it was made officially illegal.

so? IF they are willing ot leave the US i don't t hink they care to much about US law at that point..

In the context of the OP, yes. Saying of the legalities of properly enter the union and then doing the reverse, no.

You cannot without a war go through court and such and say states rights and all that crap and break away without a fight.

And what army would stop a state from leaving the union?
The same army that is currently busy fighting in Iraq and Afganistan? Or would the Feds call in help from the unUnited Nations?

Personally if CA wanted to leave let em, It would stack the vote infavor of more rational people in DC.

LOL you watch too much CNN. You and your state go break away, let me know how it goes after you are starving and have no money because the rest of the US cut you off.

My state has the largest US naval port on the East Coast and the master jet base for the US Navy(which is like a 15 minute drive from my house). We have no reason to breakaway............











yet.

ALL which belong to the US Navy, so not only would you be screwed, you'd be screwed quicker.

But, wait, I thought you said they were all off fighting Bush's wars? Guess not...hmmm...

All the navy is good for is busing Marines and lobbing cruise missles.
The Navy is totally useless fighting "rebels" in the heartland.

LOL you know nothing about the military.

 

[VIAN]

It's against the constitution for them to break away from the country.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
No anyone who has taken US history knows after the Civil War it was made officially illegal.

so? IF they are willing ot leave the US i don't t hink they care to much about US law at that point..

In the context of the OP, yes. Saying of the legalities of properly enter the union and then doing the reverse, no.

You cannot without a war go through court and such and say states rights and all that crap and break away without a fight.

And what army would stop a state from leaving the union?
The same army that is currently busy fighting in Iraq and Afganistan? Or would the Feds call in help from the unUnited Nations?

Personally if CA wanted to leave let em, It would stack the vote infavor of more rational people in DC.

LOL you watch too much CNN. You and your state go break away, let me know how it goes after you are starving and have no money because the rest of the US cut you off.

My state has the largest US naval port on the East Coast and the master jet base for the US Navy(which is like a 15 minute drive from my house). We have no reason to breakaway............











yet.

ALL which belong to the US Navy, so not only would you be screwed, you'd be screwed quicker.

But, wait, I thought you said they were all off fighting Bush's wars? Guess not...hmmm...

All the navy is good for is busing Marines and lobbing cruise missles.
The Navy is totally useless fighting "rebels" in the heartland.

LOL you know nothing about the military.

Wow, this cascade is getting long. I think a more vital question is:

Can a state be tossed out of the Union for being lame?

 

[SVT Cobra]

Can a state be tossed out of the Union for being lame?
[/quote]

Are they California?

 

[jagec]

It wouldn't be a bad idea to split the USA up into the west, the east, the midwest, and the south.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
There are a lot of good arguments, but the break from the Union doesn't necessarily has to be violent. As Yllus pointed out, it could be due to a situation where the government was unable to resolve, and the state decide that it would be better off on its own.

Speaking of California, I don't see why it can't be an independent nation. It is arguably one of the largest economy in the world, can stay alive on its own power, and it may has possibly the second highest military concentration in the nation. If everything was to break away as it is, I think California can and will be well on her own.

California would be hurting for water after they stop getting it from the Hoover Dam. Also, if they left the union, they wouldn't get to keep the military equipment, since it belongs to the USA.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SSSnail
There are a lot of good arguments, but the break from the Union doesn't necessarily has to be violent. As Yllus pointed out, it could be due to a situation where the government was unable to resolve, and the state decide that it would be better off on its own.

Speaking of California, I don't see why it can't be an independent nation. It is arguably one of the largest economy in the world, can stay alive on its own power, and it may has possibly the second highest military concentration in the nation. If everything was to break away as it is, I think California can and will be well on her own.

California would be hurting for water after they stop getting it from the Hoover Dam. Also, if they left the union, they wouldn't get to keep the military equipment, since it belongs to the USA.

Exactly. And who would California beg to help them about 2 months after they became their own nation and Mexico invaded?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: SSSnail
In which scenario can a state such as California or Texas break away from the Union? These states are large enough and are economically independent, and could potentially become nations. Hypothetically, under what circumstances will this happen?

Since we could gain new territories and add to the Union, can the reverse be true?

No, can't secede.
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869).

There's no point in bringing up a law, because if they choose to secede they'd be throwing out US laws anyway.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: JDub02
I think the US would be alot better off if Texas would have done it back in the 90's...BEFORE Dubya was elected..

Fixed that for ya...

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: mrkun

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Amused
It was tried once. Lots of people died.

Hah, yeah.

And I wouldn't say California and Texas are economically independent. Every state benefits from being a part of the whole.

Umm, no. California actually pays out more money to Uncle Sam than it receives back. Basically, we subsidize the South.

Well, should have let the south leave when they wanted to leave. You have your friends on the east coast to thank for that, they wanted to keep the south around very badly.

Now it is time to pick up the tab:evil:

 

[mrkun]

Responding to two posts at once:

1) Pacfanweb: Where have you been? California is already part of Mexico (although less so than Texas).

2) Schadenfroh: I sincerely wish they would've just let the South secede, and I think if they'd had the benefit of hindsight, they would have. Think about it: They could've filmed Quest for Fire in the South. =)

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: AgentJean

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
No anyone who has taken US history knows after the Civil War it was made officially illegal.

so? IF they are willing ot leave the US i don't t hink they care to much about US law at that point..

In the context of the OP, yes. Saying of the legalities of properly enter the union and then doing the reverse, no.

You cannot without a war go through court and such and say states rights and all that crap and break away without a fight.

And what army would stop a state from leaving the union?
The same army that is currently busy fighting in Iraq and Afganistan? Or would the Feds call in help from the unUnited Nations?

Personally if CA wanted to leave let em, It would stack the vote infavor of more rational people in DC.

LOL you watch too much CNN. You and your state go break away, let me know how it goes after you are starving and have no money because the rest of the US cut you off.

My state has the largest US naval port on the East Coast and the master jet base for the US Navy(which is like a 15 minute drive from my house). We have no reason to breakaway............











yet.

ALL which belong to the US Navy, so not only would you be screwed, you'd be screwed quicker.

But, wait, I thought you said they were all off fighting Bush's wars? Guess not...hmmm...

All the navy is good for is busing Marines and lobbing cruise missles.
The Navy is totally useless fighting "rebels" in the heartland.

The could shell LA, SF, Oakland, and San Diego to the ground.

 

[kranky]

While Texas has no special "right to secede" - they can do it like any other state can - they do have one incredibly special right, the right to subdivide itself into four additional states (total of five) with each new state guaranteed admission to the US.

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: kranky
While Texas has no special "right to secede" - they can do it like any other state can - they do have one incredibly special right, the right to subdivide itself into four additional states (total of five) with each new state guaranteed admission to the US.

What are you talking about?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: kranky
While Texas has no special "right to secede" - they can do it like any other state can - they do have one incredibly special right, the right to subdivide itself into four additional states (total of five) with each new state guaranteed admission to the US.

The reason that hasn't happened yet is because the name "New Mexico" has already been taken.