Can a conservative explain to me why i should be paying for Texas' disaster relief when ...

[Starbuck1975]

nyc subway works pretty good.

Not a reader of the NY Times I take it, although relative to Los Angeles, NY public transportation is a utopia.

 

[JSt0rm]

Not a reader of the NY Times I take it, although relative to Los Angeles, NY public transportation is a utopia.

Why do I need to be a reader of the ny times? I've been to nyc many times.

 

[agent00f]

I believe it is a Republican congress who is eager to make me uninsurable to fund tax cuts to 400 already mega rich families.

In terms of rebuilding aid, I think requiring people not to rebuild homes in flood plains is reasonable.

My health insurance is a separate issue from disaster relief, unless of course Dems wish to tie it together with disaster relief, thereby cultivating more hatred from suffering, everyday citizens.

I am just one woman, I don't want to see anyone suffer & judging from pics & videos I have seen, the people of Texas are suffering.

No, it's just simple fact that conservatives will always vote for money for themselves (ie "defense") than the likes of you, but you'll back money for them, resulting in them getting funded and not you. That's how the world works.

Jesus dude, this is embarrassing. Where to start.



Of course we are talking about cutting state spending. You think Texas is going to find $100 billion+ in its budget without cutting spending? Utterly delusional.



Is this really that hard to follow? Expanding Medicaid leads to more government spending on health. States with more spending on health have lower mortality than those with less spending. Therefore, less health spending = greater mortality. Large spending cuts that would be necessary to pay $100 billion+ in debt would almost certainly cut health spending, A->B.

Seriously don't know how that was hard to understand.



I keep asking what these are and yet you can't seem to answer. I strongly suspect this is because you don't know what they are, as evidenced by your previous accusations in this thread.



This is an embarrassing lack of basic research knowledge and a misunderstanding of what a straw man is. What I said was simply taking your argument to its logical conclusion. You might not like that, but that's your fault for making it.

Showing no relationship is not proving a negative, it's research that fails to reject the null hypothesis, the basis for all empirical research. Show me research into health spending that can't reject the null hypothesis.

I've already spent more time on this nonsense than it deserves. If you want to argue that Texas assuming more than $100 billion in debt won't lead to any reduction in services that impact human health then knock yourself out. It's a transparently stupid argument and you know it. You made a mistake, so own up to it.



Literally nothing in what you wrote even remotely implied that you thought aid was stupid in political terms but thought those terms were insufficient to actually think aid was stupid. I mean come on. You can't even admit you screwed up when it's written in black and white and quoted to you.

This thread has really been illuminating as to how similarly irrational some liberal posters on this board are to the conservatives they constantly complain about.

What's funny is fskimospy perfectly understands the stupidity of unilateral disarmament and other simple game theory, but can't help himself towing the D centrist party line. This is such a simple case where conservatives will never lift a finger to help any liberals or liberal areas, but a number of democrats will always be stupid enough to comply with the most transparently selfish and cunning shits with no safeguards for the righteous. Such a mystery why degeneracy persists when it pays off all the time.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Or build adequate pumps, levees, drainage to accommodate. There's nothing inherently wrong with development so long as the infrastructure is there and maintained (no one likes to do that part). Nowhere is equipped to handle what Houston just went through though and it would be unrealistic to expect any place too. Lessons will be learned, hopefully infrastructure spending will occur, and they can lessen the risk for next time, but that was an unimaginable amount of rain and the damned thing stalled over the area.

Houston drainage grid 'so obsolete it's just unbelievable'
City is unique in that it gets regular massive floods and has an inability to cope with them

"Houston is the most flood-prone city in the United States," said Rice University environmental engineering professor Phil Bedient. "No one is even a close second — not even New Orleans, because at least they have pumps there."

The entire system is designed to clear out only 30 centimetres of rain per 24-hour period, said Jim Blackburn, an environmental law professor at Rice University: "That's so obsolete it's just unbelievable."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/houston-harvey-drainage-1.4267585

 

[Starbuck1975]

Why do I need to be a reader of the ny times? I've been to nyc many times.

As a visitor the problems are probably transparent to you. The NYC subway system is suffering a worsening scenario of delays due to increased demand and dated switch technology incapable of meeting the demand. The NY Times published some damning articles exposing the breadth of the issue.

The irony is that this system sits in a solid blue state with minimal GOP influence, some of the highest taxes in the country and is the financial hub of America and our gateway to Europe...and yet the leadership there can't get out of its own way to do anything about it.

 

[fskimospy]

As a visitor the problems are probably transparent to you. The NYC subway system is suffering a worsening scenario of delays due to increased demand and dated switch technologu incapable of meeting the demand.

The irony is that this system sits in a solid blue state with minimal GOP influence, some of the highest taxes in the country and is the financial hub of America and our gateway to Europe...and yet the leadership there can't get out of its own way to do anything about it.

GOP influence is most certainly not minimal, they control the state senate. (thanks, IDC!) They exert large influence on the MTA's budget.

Regardless, Cuomo is a big part of the problem.

 

[Sunburn74]

GOP voted against hurricane relief and forward thinking hurricane laws for Sandy citing conservative values. Some 60 something house members. Would like to see them stick to their principles now when it's their own constituents.

The reality is these conservative stances are rooted in considerable hypocrisy. Time and time again this shown to be true of this party. The right thing to do is to stop messing around, support people in need,acknowledge climate change as a real thing (it's the reason why these so called once in half century storms are occurring now every 5 to 10 years) and start passing common sense laws and regulations to prevent situations like this from occurring again.

 

[Puffnstuff]

GOP voted against hurricane relief and forward thinking hurricane laws for Sandy citing conservative values. Some 60 something house members. Would like to see them stick to their principles now when it's their own constituents.

But, but....red state!!!!!!!! Soon to be red ink state.

 

[fskimospy]

GOP voted against hurricane relief and forward thinking hurricane laws for Sandy citing conservative values. Some 60 something house members. Would like to see them stick to their principles now when it's their own constituents.

The reality is these conservative stances are rooted in considerable hypocrisy. Time and time again this shown to be true of this party. The right thing to do is to stop messing around, support people in need,acknowledge climate change as a real thing (it's the reason why these so called once in half century storms are occurring now every 5 to 10 years) and start passing common sense laws and regulations to prevent situations like this from occurring again.

Their actions make a lot more sense if you just look at them as being expressions of tribal identity as opposed to actual ideology. It's why you have things like Republicans overwhelmingly opposing air strikes on Syria when Obama might do them and overwhelmingly approving of strikes on Syria when Trump did them.

 

[sandorski]

Why Pay when you can Pray?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/31/sandy-relief-bill-chock-full-pork/

"
The truth, despite Cillizza’s claim, is that the Sandy bill contained everything but funding for a traffic study in Fort Lee. Here’s an easy way to tell whether a bill primarily contains emergency spending: the spending is right now. It’s an emergency. Here’s a way to tell when it isn’t: when the spending is directed at things that have nothing to do with said emergency, and are instead funding things years into the future. The Sandy relief measure was an example of the latter.


Here’s the CBO score. Note when the bulk of money was actually expected to be spent. According to CBO’s outlay tables, 24 billion dollars of the allocated funds weren’t expected to be spent until 2016 or after. The hurricane, for reference, was in 2012. And according to CBO, nearly 4 billion of the spending in that bill didn’t even pretend to be for emergencies: 3.459 billion was actually designated as non-emergency spending.

The bill itself is here. Its summary is here. Cruz’s statement at the time on the Sandy bill is here. And the Roll Call vote is here. Here is a Heritage report about the bill at the time. Here is fiscal hawk Tom Coburn on the problems with emergency disaster bills. And here are some things you will find if you read all of these, including specific spending in the Sandy relief bill that has nothing to do with emergency needs or any relation to disaster relief:
16,000,000,000 dollars for Community Development Block Grants (11 billion higher than HUD was requesting at the time)
600,000,000 for State and Tribal Assistance Grants under the EPA
348,000,000 for “construction” for the National Park Service
100,000,000 for Head Start
50,000,000 for the Historic Preservation Fund at the NPS
45,000,000 for upgrades to NOAA aircraft
22,000,000 for upgrading NOAA weather equipment
50,000,000 for “construction” for Fish and Wildlife Services
24,000,000 for the Defense Working Capital Fund
10,000,000 to Small Business Administration to plus up grants to organizations seeking to participate in disaster relief
4,400,000 for “capital improvement” to the Forestry Service
3,000,000 for oil spill research
2,000,000 for the Smithsonian’s famously leaky roofs.
1,000,000 for new cars for the DEA.
1,000,000 to the Legal Services Corporation.

There’s more than that, but this seems to be the most obvious examples. ....................."


Doesn't really matter. Swamp scum dwellers like fskimospy and other lefties are straining to get to a trough filled with disaster relief money so they can gorge themselves, their causes and their cronies with taxpayer funds. It's what looters like them do, they prey upon people less fortunate and less connected to fill their pockets and the pockets of their allies. Welcome to politics in America.

 

[fskimospy]

http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/31/sandy-relief-bill-chock-full-pork/

"
The truth, despite Cillizza’s claim, is that the Sandy bill contained everything but funding for a traffic study in Fort Lee. Here’s an easy way to tell whether a bill primarily contains emergency spending: the spending is right now. It’s an emergency. Here’s a way to tell when it isn’t: when the spending is directed at things that have nothing to do with said emergency, and are instead funding things years into the future. The Sandy relief measure was an example of the latter.


Here’s the CBO score. Note when the bulk of money was actually expected to be spent. According to CBO’s outlay tables, 24 billion dollars of the allocated funds weren’t expected to be spent until 2016 or after. The hurricane, for reference, was in 2012. And according to CBO, nearly 4 billion of the spending in that bill didn’t even pretend to be for emergencies: 3.459 billion was actually designated as non-emergency spending.

The bill itself is here. Its summary is here. Cruz’s statement at the time on the Sandy bill is here. And the Roll Call vote is here. Here is a Heritage report about the bill at the time. Here is fiscal hawk Tom Coburn on the problems with emergency disaster bills. And here are some things you will find if you read all of these, including specific spending in the Sandy relief bill that has nothing to do with emergency needs or any relation to disaster relief:
16,000,000,000 dollars for Community Development Block Grants (11 billion higher than HUD was requesting at the time)
600,000,000 for State and Tribal Assistance Grants under the EPA
348,000,000 for “construction” for the National Park Service
100,000,000 for Head Start
50,000,000 for the Historic Preservation Fund at the NPS
45,000,000 for upgrades to NOAA aircraft
22,000,000 for upgrading NOAA weather equipment
50,000,000 for “construction” for Fish and Wildlife Services
24,000,000 for the Defense Working Capital Fund
10,000,000 to Small Business Administration to plus up grants to organizations seeking to participate in disaster relief
4,400,000 for “capital improvement” to the Forestry Service
3,000,000 for oil spill research
2,000,000 for the Smithsonian’s famously leaky roofs.
1,000,000 for new cars for the DEA.
1,000,000 to the Legal Services Corporation.

There’s more than that, but this seems to be the most obvious examples. ....................."


Doesn't really matter. Swamp scum dwellers like fskimospy and other lefties are straining to get to a trough filled with disaster relief money so they can gorge themselves, their causes and their cronies with taxpayer funds. It's what looters like them do, they prey upon people less fortunate and less connected to fill their pockets and the pockets of their allies. Welcome to politics in America.

Oh look, after finding out that your previous blog post from an ultra right wing advocacy group was filled with lies you decided to copy and paste a different blog post from an ultra right wing advocacy group. Why didn't you take this time to point out your OWN thoughts on this matter as you've been asked repeatedly?

Regardless, the first lie in this latest blog post is easy to spot. The Sandy Relief bill existed to both offer immediate relief to victims of the storm along with funding to prevent future disasters. Any rational person should insist that if we're paying to help repair the damage from a current disaster that we also couple that with prevention for future ones. Trying to say this wasn't a Sandy relief bill because it included future mitigation is highly dishonest.

Second, I love how the Smithsonian roof thing came back up considering that was already debunked. This author is either so stupid or so far in the right wing bubble that he's still repeating that nonsense years later, in reference to an article that explicitly disproves it. (and which he didn't bother to read).

https://newrepublic.com/article/111936/sandy-aid-bill-smithsonian-2-million-not-pork

In fact, the damage which that $2 million is intended to fix does not predate the storm. “In all cases, [the funds are for] roof leaks caused by heavy winds and torrential rain,” Linda St. Thomas, a Smithsonian Institution spokeswoman, told me in an email this afternoon. “Hurricane Sandy caused the roof damage which is why we put in the request. In several cases, it exacerbated smaller leaks, in other cases, it caused new leaks.”

So again Taj, your new blog post contains a lie so obvious that it was easily debunked in less than five minutes. Now that you've found out that two separate right wing blogs have lied to you about this bill will you think twice about believing them next time? (lol, of course not, you're the world's easiest mark)

 

[theeedude]

Free market will take care of it. Those who can't afford to rebuild their homes can sell the land to those who can, an the new owners can rent the rebuilt houses back to them. I know a lot of Silicon Valley people with excess capital who are buying rental properties in Trump land. If the price is right, I am sure they will do same for our fellow Americans in Houston, especially with upcoming tax cuts. So no need for Federal government to do anything.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You're swamp scum fskihole, feeding at the trough of taxpayer funds. Nothing else truly matters.

 

[fskimospy]

You're swamp scum fskihole, feeding at the trough of taxpayer funds. Nothing else truly matters.

A well reasoned reply as usual!

You should be mad at conservative media for treating you with such contempt, not mad at me for pointing it out. Seriously, it's clear they think you're really, really stupid. If they didn't think you were dumb they would put more effort into their lies.

 

[agent00f]

Free market will take care of it. Those who can't afford to rebuild their homes can sell the land to those who can, an the new owners can rent the rebuilt houses back to them. I know a lot of Silicon Valley people with excess capital who are buying rental properties in Trump land. If the price is right, I am sure they will do same for our fellow Americans in Houston, especially with upcoming tax cuts. So no need for Federal government to do anything.

It's only fair that free market advocates are granted all the benefits of their proclaimed ideals.

 

[JSt0rm]

You're swamp scum fskihole, feeding at the trough of taxpayer funds. Nothing else truly matters.

stfu you russian bitch.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

A well reasoned reply as usual!

You should be mad at conservative media for treating you with such contempt, not mad at me for pointing it out. Seriously, it's clear they think you're really, really stupid. If they didn't think you were dumb they would put more effort into their lies.

You make the claim for 1 or 2 items out of hundreds I posted including the grading by the CBO. No matter how you stack it + or - 50% of the "Sandy Disaster Relief Bill" was never spent on disaster relief, intsead it went into the pockets of swamp dwelling scum like yourself and your cronies.

The exact same thing will be attempted by swamp dwellers on a Harvey Disaster Relief Bill when it's proposed and and voted on in Washington DC. We'll have to wait and see how it goes, but my bet is the powerful lobbying/looting groups in DC will do their best to loot as much money from the taxpayers that will never be spent on the victims of Hurricane Harvey.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

stfu you russian bitch.

You're just another hog at the trough.

 

[fskimospy]

You make the claim for 1 or 2 items out of hundreds I posted including the grading by the CBO. No matter how you stack it + or - 50% of the "Sandy Disaster Relief Bill" was never spent on disaster relief, intsead it went into the pockets of swamp dwelling scum like yourself and your cronies.

The exact same thing will be attempted by swamp dwellers on a Harvey Disaster Relief Bill when it's proposed and and voted on in Washington DC. We'll have to wait and see how it goes, but my bet is the powerful lobbying/looting groups in DC will do their best to loot as much money from the taxpayers that will never be spent on the victims of Hurricane Harvey.

They were literally the first two things I looked at. So far the check to lie ratio is 1:1, lol.

It is definitely not true 'no matter how you stack it'. That's just you continuing to parrot their spin even after they've been exposed as liars.

Pretty sad.

 

[Puffnstuff]

In my mind a conservative would only have one scoop of ice cream and a liberal would have two or more scoops of ice cream. Under this rubric who's conservative and who's liberal? Last night I was a conservative but two nights ago I was a liberal with three scoops of ice cream in my bowl on top of a piece of chocolate cake, albeit a small one, so there I've confessed but I didn't tweet about my dessert.

 

[Jhhnn]

A well reasoned reply as usual!

You should be mad at conservative media for treating you with such contempt, not mad at me for pointing it out. Seriously, it's clear they think you're really, really stupid. If they didn't think you were dumb they would put more effort into their lies.

Please. "Stupid" isn't the right word. "Gullible" is really more accurate. It doesn't denigrate anybody's intelligence but rather calls upon them to wise up & use it.

 

[zinfamous]

You're swamp scum fskihole, feeding at the trough of taxpayer funds. Nothing else truly matters.

most humans hate people for being sycophants, murderers, and rapists.

you seem to direct your ire at political rivals that "do what everyone does": live.

Fuck you. ...and I can't stress this largely enough, I'm afraid.

 

[zinfamous]

You're just another hog at the trough.

You

 

[MrPickins]

You're swamp scum fskihole, feeding at the trough of taxpayer funds. Nothing else truly matters.

And you're one of the worst posters on this forum.

You know what they say: "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."