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can 939 take a dual core CPU later?

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Hey all,

I'm on the verge of finally ordering my new parts to upgrade my XP2100+ to an Athlon64 system. (just gonna buy a mobo and CPU now, a 6600 AGP later for a great system for my needs).

I'm pretty sure I'm just going to go 754 and buy either an A64 2800+ for bang for buck, (and maybe OC up to 2Ghz?), but I just saw a thread in another forum somewhere where a guy thought that he read that socket 939 will be able to take dual core chips when they're out but he wasn't positive.

So...can socket 939 really take dual-core chips? In other words..has AMD released any info on this upgrade path?

I can't really believe this is doable, as I would think that a whole new mobo would be requried to make full use of the dual-coreness. 🙂

Thanks for your help, I'm getting anxious to order my new rig. 🙂

GS
 
Some people think that the dual core will be able to run in s939 (though they would probably be released for s940 first) with as little as a bios flash. there really isn't any definate info out right now, so I would just go with a cheap s754 system, then upgrade that later. Besides, when dualies start coming out, they are going to be extremely hard to find as well as expensive, so you would still have to wait a year for prices to become affordable, and by that time, DDR3 will be out and there will be a new socket.
 
Widespread rumors say yes, but if this is vitally important to you -- no, AMD has not said anything official about Socket939. Socket940 will have dual-core chips, but Socket939 has not been officially confirmed.
 
When dual cores come out they will be only aimed to servers and will be slow (around 2.4 ghz for AMD) wont be really worth it to get a dual core when it comes out. When dual core will actually give a performance increase for home users, it will be 2006 and by then they will probably have another socket created.
 
Originally posted by: Bleh
When dual cores come out they will be only aimed to servers and will be slow (around 2.4 ghz for AMD) wont be really worth it to get a dual core when it comes out. When dual core will actually give a performance increase for home users, it will be 2006 and by then they will probably have another socket created.
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2.4ghz slow? dont forget that it will be based on an entirely different core and will also be having 185% of the bandwidth a single cpu has.
 
Well for 2 cpus to total out to 2.4ghz it would be kinda slow. Besides gamers wont see any performance gains with dual core once they come out until code in the game is written to utilize it.
 
Keep in mind s754 doesn't allow for dual channel memory when you decide which to go with. It's not important to some people, but others are going to swear by it.
 
dualcores will come for socket 939, but later than socket 940 as they are primarily usefull for servers and advanced applications. Probably around 2006 will there be made dualcore s939 Athlons, as windows Longhorn should benefit from dualcore processors. Then later in 2006-07 games might start benefit from dualcore processors. But AMD has clearly stated (which most of us knows anyway) that for games a single core processors with high clock is better than a lower clocked dualcore.
 
Originally posted by: Mik3y
Originally posted by: Bleh
When dual cores come out they will be only aimed to servers and will be slow (around 2.4 ghz for AMD) wont be really worth it to get a dual core when it comes out. When dual core will actually give a performance increase for home users, it will be 2006 and by then they will probably have another socket created.
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2.4ghz slow? dont forget that it will be based on an entirely different core and will also be having 185% of the bandwidth a single cpu has.
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No, it *won't* be based on an entirely different core. More power-friendly, yes, but should have about the same per-clock performance as two normal Athlon64 CPUs of a similar speed. A great boon to encoding and DC folks, who can really use both cores, and for them it would be a bargain even at FX/EE prices ($700-$1000), but for most everyone else, it will only be a hair faster than a single 2.4GHz Athlon64 CPU.
 
Originally posted by: coejus
Keep in mind s754 doesn't allow for dual channel memory when you decide which to go with. It's not important to some people, but others are going to swear by it.
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it depends on the platform, for amd you don't really need dual channel where the p4 platform benefits more from the higher memory bandwidth
 
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Widespread rumors say yes, but if this is vitally important to you -- no, AMD has not said anything official about Socket939. Socket940 will have dual-core chips, but Socket939 has not been officially confirmed.
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It has been confirmed before, especially whenever Intel is touting its dual core offerings; S939 will be dual-core compatible.
 
I forgot where I read it, but it was either on Toms or Anandtech or Xbitlabs that at a tradeshow that AMD had a backroom showing an A64 dual core running on the S939. This still doesn't say whether it will be out for the S939 but points to a dual core cpu being released for S939. After all, it's only an engineering sample so nothing is conclusive. If it does get released for S939 the most likely scenario is that it will be compatible with exhisting boards with only a bios update. There was also the fact that on AMD's own website which I got the link from overclockers.com there was an info page that you had to sign up to see saying that dual core chips will be available for current mobo's that support 90nm cpu's. So all signs point to yes, S939 will have dual core cpu's but until it's actually announced and AMD ships products, nothing is conclusive.
 
To the topic starter: have you considered the ASRock K8 Combo-Z?

Link: http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/asrock/k8%20combo-z/g1.htm

And before you say "ASRock what?", they share engineering resources with ASUS. The Vcore regulator, for example, is the same as the one used on the ASUS A8V Deluxe.

Also, some people discussed dual-core pricing; on the Intel side a dual-core will be $80 more expensive than a single core of the same speed, according to some rumours (reliable source, but rumour). I'm 100% sure AMD will do the same or better regarding prices. 🙂
 
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