Camry's got a new set of wheels...

kitatech

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From 15" steelies to 17" alloys....

BiiiiiiiiiG difference in ride...hardly any of the rocking motion on heavy acceleration and braking I had with the OEM wheels....it's like going from a Camry ride to that of an Avalon..flat and smooth...very worth-while...and much nicer looking too...

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kitatech

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Camry is still a Camry. :p

No...not at all....the ride is significantly different...that's why I posted my observations...with the MT there was a bit of lunge between gears but now there's none...I guess you've not driven my car...the ride is solid and (more) stable (now) with plenty of zip...
 

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No...not at all....the ride is significantly different...that's why I posted my observations...with the MT there was a bit of lunge between gears but now there's none...I guess you've not driven my car...the ride is solid and (more) stable (now) with plenty of zip...

I know, I am just giving you a hard time. :)

I think it's a nice, clean look

I agree, I like the rims. What brand are those? TSW's? Can't quite see....
 

kitatech

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I know, I am just giving you a hard time. :)



I agree, I like the rims. What brand are those? TSW's? Can't quite see....

That's okay big guy....few people have ever driven a Camry STICK so they don't know that it's a different car than the typical AT version...
I posted more than just "I like the look" because I was surprised at how much a difference the larger rims would make with the driving dynamics...
Though I do like their "structural/architectural" look...

The rims are Fondmetal 6700: the specs are 17x7j/42mm offset. They are Italian-made, Fondmetal a maker of Formula 1 racing rims, and no longer sold here in the US...they were, from what a web-search revealed, sold by Discount Tire and closed-out priced @ $50 each, 10 years ago...the previous owner likely got them then and used them on his Lexus SC for snow tires and no longer needs them in Florida....
 

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That's okay big guy....few people have ever driven a Camry STICK so they don't know that it's a different car than the typical AT version...
I posted more than just "I like the look" because I was surprised at how much a difference the larger rims would make with the driving dynamics...
Though I do like their "structural/architectural" look...

The rims are Fondmetal 6700: the specs are 17x7j/42mm offset. They are Italian-made, Fondmetal a maker of Formula 1 racing rims, and no longer sold here in the US...they were, from what a web-search revealed, sold by Discount Tire and closed-out priced @ $50 each, 10 years ago...the previous owner likely got them then and used them on his Lexus SC for snow tires and no longer needs them in Florida....

Do you have the LE or the SE?
I have a 02 LE with the 5spd manual.
 

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Yeah, the stick is worse than the auto because of its poor implementation. But I've never driven an auto Camry of that era so maybe I'm wrong.
 

kitatech

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A lot people feel that they can judge the performance of cars they've never driven...The I4 stick is a very nice car to drive, and I've owned over a dozen sticks and driven nearly a million miles in them so I have a lot to compare it to...

I read this article a long time ago which is why I went with the 17s....16s were the other option. The 2005 LE-stick came with only the 15s, but the same body with only minor OEM suspension modifications came with 16s for the 4-banger AND 17s with the V-6 as the SE and XLE...

I've driven the 2005 I4/LE with an AT. It rides pretty much the same as the stick but the AT upshifts too quickly (economy over power) for my liking, and a Solara with the 6 that has plenty of power, but I have read many who've lost fuel economy with the six (from as little as 10% on the highway to as much as 33% in town)...

As I indicated above regarding the new rims, there is a loss of "jack-rabbit" feeling under acceleration, but it's not the worst feeling to give up in favor of a more stable ride. Many people add stabilizers and beefier anti-sway bars to the Camry for better cornering and to firm up the LE's inherent soft ride...but those options add weight too...

I knew there would be some compromises. The article does talk about lost power and economy but in numbers considerably less than going from a 4 cylinder engine to a 6. I feel the advantages immediately....we'll see if the new tires/wheels "outweigh" the disadvantages that come with them...I still have the 15s if I decide to go back...The 15+tire weighs 41.6 lbs...when I get the new tires I'll weigh them on the rim...

From the article:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...d-tires-tested

"Subjectively, both the 17-inch and 18-inch wheels and tires were in the sweet spot of grip, braking performance, ride comfort, and steering feel. Moving from 17-inchers to 18s barely degrades ride quality, and the additional grip is welcome. We’d guess that a W-rated Eagle GT in the 17-inch size would come close to matching the grip of the W-rated 18, but we can’t say for certain without testing. Even with V-rated rubber, the performance of the 17s felt similar to that of the 18s. But since the 18-inch setup costs only $112 more than the 17-inch package, we’d probably opt for the 18s if we lived in a region with smooth roads and looks were a priority."

And in the end there's aesthetics...I hated looking at the cheap wheel covers...and I wanted an alloy wheel that wasn't found on most other Toyos...quite coincidentally, these look VERY much like the ones in the article...I like these and how they work with the Camry...
 
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pauldun170

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Yeah, the stick is worse than the auto because of its poor implementation. But I've never driven an auto Camry of that era so maybe I'm wrong.

There is nothing wrong with the implementation of the stick in the Camry. The gears are spaced appropriately for the car and it actually has a nice action to it. Its not a Miata but I don't have anything negative to say about the gearbox\transmission.

The issue is that the older Camry LE models are softly sprung overall. As the cars age and the suspension wears it becomes more noticeable. The SE model is better than the LE and the current car isn't bad at all.

While kitatech has more of a hard-on for His Camry than I do, I can confirm that the 2002-2006 generation Camry 5spd manual is a different drive than the slushbox. I've driven automatic Camry's across many generations over the years, they are forgettable cars.
 

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Doesn't suprise me a bit that going from 15 steelies to 17 alloy makes a nice improvement. Improved spring rate, lower weight, less sidewall deflection, and looks better too.
 

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My folks had an '01. While different than what you and kit have I found the shifter to be ridiculously vague and the clutch had zero feel. I'm comparing that to any stock Honda setup.
 

pauldun170

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My folks had an '01. While different than what you and kit have I found the shifter to be ridiculously vague and the clutch had zero feel. I'm comparing that to any stock Honda setup.

The 01 and earlier models (Forth generation?) I've driven were fairly old beaten and neglected examples. They seemed rattier than some of the older 3rd gen models I've sat in. Can't say I've ever driven that generation Camry when they were new so I'll take your word for it.
Honda set a pretty high standard for gear boxes over the years