Camelot Unchained (yes, daoc revisioned)

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  1. zinfamous

    zinfamous No Lifer

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    well...they already paid, for a product that might not exist. so you aren't expecting to get something for not paying--so lack of sub in that argument is moot.

    but for an MMO, I agree.

    Maybe it's just me, but pay 40 bucks to get this thing going, should entitle one to the game +2-3 months sub. Save the shitty glossy paper posters and plastic statues for people that prefer to toss their money into the trash...
     
  2. pandemonium

    pandemonium Golden Member

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    Ahh...DAoC. Good times. I literally devoted 3+ years of my life to that game. Sad and awesome all at once. :p

    I'm not certain how well an all PvP game would work. It would be nice not to have to rely on PvE to level, but at the same time, it would cut out a lot of the player base in modern MMO'ing. I mean, WoW players are 99.9% carebear. It's only those that live in the Arena that aren't. And WoW's subscription base is still pretty freakin' strong.

    ToA didn't ruin DAoC. Odin's Eye did. Strategy and tactics were nullified by gheydar, which diminished the appeal to RvR unless it was with a giant zerg; which is also very ghey.

    At first, I hated the requirement of PvE for artifacts, but it added a new element of challenge to the game and set the standards higher and added a lot of playstyle diversity. Plus, a lot of ToA was pretty cool to explore and the dungeons were fairly challenging. If you think ToA destroyed the game, then you probably hated buffbots too. An unfair advantage of people willing to go out of their way to be the best they could be; within the allowable limits of the game, right?

    IMHO, if you're not willing to put forth the legitimate effort within a game, then don't cry bloody murder when you're at a disadvantage. Step up or GTFO! ;)

    Shadowbane...why did you have to fail so hard. :(
     
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  3. DigDog

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    Odin's Eye? wut is wut?
     
  4. imaheadcase

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    Just someone butthurt he thinks cheating ruined the game. It was not used much, lots got banned for using it in one sweep and everyone wrongly assumed it was used a lot.
     
  5. pandemonium

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    Oh, so cheating should be allowed?

    And no, it was used in large amounts on Merlin. Actually, I knew plenty of people personally that used it long after it was said to be "banned". Several years afterwards, in fact; including DAoCSkilla and other packet sniffing programs and location "hopping", or ghosting hacks.
     
  6. pontifex

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    like you said, this happens all the time with other mmos. I paid for SWTOR and now it's free. sucks but what am i or anyone else going to do about it? nothing. its the price you pay for early adoption.

    beisdes, usually you pay like what, $10-15 on kickstarter and you get the full game. most likely the full game is going to cost $50-60 anyway so you already get a huge discount on it. asking for more is just being greedy imo.
     
  7. imaheadcase

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    Never said it should be allowed, just saying it was not a big deal in daoc, AT ALL.
     
  8. Wardawg1001

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    I hated buff bots in Shadowbane because my computer was too crappy to run more than 1 instance of SB without slowing to a crawl, often causing one or both the .exe's to freeze/crash. It was an advantage I couldn't use and it annoyed the living * out of me.
     
  9. imaheadcase

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    For those wondering he wants to raise 2million with kickstarter next month. He is going to get the other 3million from investors + himself.

    To compare, DAOC took 2.5million to develop.

    The big thing to me is if they make own engine, or use existing ones. That will determine how long it takes to get a game out. If they license some other engine, it will be a 12-24months. If they make own it could be 3+ years. I don't see them licensing one out, no mmo engine out that can have daoc quick combat style he aims for.
     
  10. SunnyD

    SunnyD Belgian Waffler

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    I haven't seen a "major MMO" release in the last year or so at least that I can name that successfully launched with a subscription. On the other hand, I can easily use up all my fingers on F2P launches. Granted the bar for "successful" reduces the number of fingers needed, but that's how the business in general works.

    You want to look at how "successful" Premium AAA subscripton MMO's launches are these days, look no further than SWTOR and The Secret World.
     
  11. Fanatical Meat

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    Agreed, I still can't figure out why they all shoot for $15 per month? How about $10 or $7 or $60 for 12 months. Personally I like cover charges keeps all the riff raff out.
     
  12. Markbnj

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    Maybe, but you're not factoring in the very high likelihood that nothing will get built, you'll have nothing to play, and your $20 will disappear into thin air with no return.
     
  13. paperfist

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    Same here, that game sucked the real life out of me and turned me into a DAoC junkie. In a strange way it was hilarious riding that damn horse for what seemed like an eternity to get from place to place. But now in games travel is so instant it almost takes some of the fun out as you don't have to do any planning and it turns what looks like a massive map into nothing.
     
  14. Markbnj

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    Heh, I remember there used to be a crack in the geometry in a specific place in Spindelhalla that we'd use when we needed a fast trip back to bind.
     
  15. OSULugan

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    Same thing in Avalon City. It was also useful if you ended up getting a train of MOBs on you, and your group folded. You could avoid a death if you were close to the hole.
     
  16. imaheadcase

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    ok so they offer more and the game never gets built anyway? you're still out $20. besides, this is the deal with kickstarter. its a known fact that may happen and you're taking the risk to fund something that you would enjoy.

    it's a business, they aren't doing this to make people happy. they need to have room to make money.
     
  18. imaheadcase

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    FYI the developer is putting $2million of his own money into this game. He is also taking a chance.
     
  19. Genx87

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    For 30 bucks tempting just for the beta access.
     
  20. SunnyD

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    Still subscription based == a big * no.
     
  21. Genx87

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    I am kind of torn on this. While F2P is kind of nice. The problem for me is F2P has turned a 15\month sub into a 30-50\sub lol.
     
  22. SunnyD

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    The only F2P game I've ever put cash into was Planetside 2, and I didn't really regret it.

    Every other F2P game I've played I've lived fairly happily within the restrictions imposed by the F2P tiers with only an occasional longing for something premium which eventually passed.

    On the other hand, I can tell you having put a 6 month subscription into a premium AAA game like SWTOR, getting bored after 3 months, then in about month 5 having them come out and smash you in the nuts with a sledgehammer telling you that it's going F2P shortly... never again.

    Or Champions Online which decided to lock out all of my previously made characters when they transitioned to a F2P-premium model, and now wants the equivalent of $50 each (or an active subscription) to play with them again.

    Or Everquest 2 which transitioned to a F2P premium model and decided that I couldn't play characters/content that I had bought and paid for the expansions to originally unlock when they implemented the new model. (This was subsequently retroactively rectified, but not until a couple months AFTER the initial transition by which time I had lost interest in even trying.)
     
  23. imaheadcase

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    Yah that $5-15 a month packages are going to kill you...but you read about the game to know this already.
     
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  24. Genx87

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    You have far more will power than me. I allocate about 50 bucks a month for game entertainment. These F2P games like WoT and Warthunder get that allocation. Far more than a 15\month sub hehe.
     
  25. Markbnj

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    Interesting you bring up making money. If Jacobs funded this idea the traditional way, which he has all the contacts and seed money of his own to accomplish, then he'd have to get it by people who are pretty good at judging whether it is a viable business and not just a neat game idea. By going to crowdsourcing he gets to avoid all that due dilligence and get his funds from people who for the most part will only see the neat game.

    I hope it gets built, and doesn't turn out like Warhammer, and generates enough income to stick around for awhile. I'll buy it at release.
     
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