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StarsFan4Life

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I get married in about 4 weeks....and my damn uncle just bailed on filming our whole thing with a buddy of his (all professional equipment) this weekend. Fiance is stressed and I am pissed!

Instead of paying someone $400 minimum for 20 minutes of a ceremony, I thought I would invest in a camcorder myself. Can anyone give me any recommendations on sub $500 camcorders so I can have someone in my family do it and I can edit it myself....plus I can keep the camera!

Are there any sub $500 HD camcorders?
 
If possible, bump up your budget by another $100 or so. I would recommend either a Canon HF100 (flash-based) or a Canon HV30 (tape-based). The HV30 has better quality, plus tapes are cheap and you can swap them out to record the whole wedding. A Canon HV20 is also great if you can find a good price used. I wouldn't really bother looking at any other cameras. I used to own the equivalent Sony, the HC7, and it didn't hold a candle to the HV20.

There are a few accessories I'd recommend:

1. Use a tripod. Don't don't DON'T hold it freehand. There are two kinds of tripods - photo and video. Video tripods have a fluid head, which means they pan/tilt really smoothly unlike photo tripods which are designed to stay in one position. You can get away with a photo tripod if you need something cheap and won't be doing any pans. But if you can beg, borrow, or steal one, do it. Like for your first dance on the floor, it's nice to have smooth pans to follow you guys around.
2. Get a bunch of extra tapes and knockoff batteries and keep them handy in a bag.

Here are the settings I recommend:

1. Set the picture to 24p and CINE mode. This is the "filmlike" look, looks really awesome.
2. Press the White Balance button in settings, it's a quick and easy way to get the picture color-corrected for the environment you're in (outdoors, indoors, etc.)
3. Disable Instant Autofocus when it's on the tripod (menu setting).
4. Don't use Zoom! Think about movies you've seen recently...movies don't use zoom. If you use zoom in your Wedding movie, it will look like, well, a home movie. You can use zoom before you shoot to zoom in, but don't zoom in or out while shooting. It looks bad. It will make your wedding movie look cheap and unprofessional.

Some ideas for shooting:

1. Ask ONE person to be the camera person for the whole day (or two, to switch off). It's a mess to have equipment passed around from person to person and try to train them how to use it on the big day. Ask your brother or cousin or friend or someone who knows how to aim a camera decently to do it. Don't ask someone who is intimately involved and will be busy, like your parents or something. They're not gonna want to do it. Ask a good friend or a not-too-close family member, someone who won't really want to be super-involved with the wedding stuff like someone really close to you would want to be.
2. If you have a wedding line, plug in the camera to the A/C, put in a fresh tape, and record the entire line. You can import this footage and do a time-lapse on your Wedding DVD, which is pretty fun.
3. The Canon cameras have a nice manual focus feature. This is nice to get you and your spouse in focus for certain shots. For example, have your video person focus in on you and your spouse and keep you two on the left side of the camera. Later on when you edit, you have use this as your DVD Menu and put the word buttons on the right side of the widescreen. You guys are in focus and smiling while looping the video, with everything else in the background blurry and then some sharp letters for the DVD Menu on the other side. Looks nice.
4. Make a list of shots you want (coming out of the church, first dance, etc.) and review them with your spouse and video guy. You will have NO TIME on your wedding day. Things are insanely busy on your wedding day. You have to make time before it happens - decide when to do what shots, give yourself a time window.

This is just a small list of things, but should be enough to get you started. It might look overwhelming, but all you have to do is pick up the equipment, choose someone to handle it the whole day, and have a list of what you want recorded. No plan = big crappy mess. Simple plan = really good Wedding Video. Don't overcomplicate things and don't just wing it. A simple plan really goes a long way. Just give your video guy a 3x5" card with the shots you want and sample times. For example:

10:00am - shot of limo and us getting out to the church (or wherever)
11:30am - shot of us walking out of the church
12:30pm - lunch speeches
5:00pm - set up camera to record wedding line for an hour
6:00pm - garter throw
6:30pm - cake cut

Remember, use a tripod, don't use zoom, do the White Balance setting on the camera. After your wedding is over and you have some time to sit down and edit it, you'll have a bunch of nice, clean, steady shots with good color instead of a garbled mess of handheld shots you don't really want to remember.

Also congratulations on the wedding 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Kaido
If possible, bump up your budget by another $100 or so. I would recommend either a Canon HF100 (flash-based) or a Canon HV30 (tape-based). The HV30 has better quality, plus tapes are cheap and you can swap them out to record the whole wedding. A Canon HV20 is also great if you can find a good price used. I wouldn't really bother looking at any other cameras. I used to own the equivalent Sony, the HC7, and it didn't hold a candle to the HV20.

There are a few accessories I'd recommend:

1. Use a tripod. Don't don't DON'T hold it freehand. There are two kinds of tripods - photo and video. Video tripods have a fluid head, which means they pan/tilt really smoothly unlike photo tripods which are designed to stay in one position. You can get away with a photo tripod if you need something cheap and won't be doing any pans. But if you can beg, borrow, or steal one, do it. Like for your first dance on the floor, it's nice to have smooth pans to follow you guys around.
2. Get a bunch of extra tapes and knockoff batteries and keep them handy in a bag.

Here are the settings I recommend:

1. Set the picture to 24p and CINE mode. This is the "filmlike" look, looks really awesome.
2. Press the White Balance button in settings, it's a quick and easy way to get the picture color-corrected for the environment you're in (outdoors, indoors, etc.)
3. Disable Instant Autofocus when it's on the tripod (menu setting).
4. Don't use Zoom! Think about movies you've seen recently...movies don't use zoom. If you use zoom in your Wedding movie, it will look like, well, a home movie. You can use zoom before you shoot to zoom in, but don't zoom in or out while shooting. It looks bad. It will make your wedding movie look cheap and unprofessional.

Some ideas for shooting:

1. Ask ONE person to be the camera person for the whole day (or two, to switch off). It's a mess to have equipment passed around from person to person and try to train them how to use it on the big day. Ask your brother or cousin or friend or someone who knows how to aim a camera decently to do it. Don't ask someone who is intimately involved and will be busy, like your parents or something. They're not gonna want to do it. Ask a good friend or a not-too-close family member, someone who won't really want to be super-involved with the wedding stuff like someone really close to you would want to be.
2. If you have a wedding line, plug in the camera to the A/C, put in a fresh tape, and record the entire line. You can import this footage and do a time-lapse on your Wedding DVD, which is pretty fun.
3. The Canon cameras have a nice manual focus feature. This is nice to get you and your spouse in focus for certain shots. For example, have your video person focus in on you and your spouse and keep you two on the left side of the camera. Later on when you edit, you have use this as your DVD Menu and put the word buttons on the right side of the widescreen. You guys are in focus and smiling while looping the video, with everything else in the background blurry and then some sharp letters for the DVD Menu on the other side. Looks nice.
4. Make a list of shots you want (coming out of the church, first dance, etc.) and review them with your spouse and video guy. You will have NO TIME on your wedding day. Things are insanely busy on your wedding day. You have to make time before it happens - decide when to do what shots, give yourself a time window.

This is just a small list of things, but should be enough to get you started. It might look overwhelming, but all you have to do is pick up the equipment, choose someone to handle it the whole day, and have a list of what you want recorded. No plan = big crappy mess. Simple plan = really good Wedding Video. Don't overcomplicate things and don't just wing it. A simple plan really goes a long way. Just give your video guy a 3x5" card with the shots you want and sample times. For example:

10:00am - shot of limo and us getting out to the church (or wherever)
11:30am - shot of us walking out of the church
12:30pm - lunch speeches
5:00pm - set up camera to record wedding line for an hour
6:00pm - garter throw
6:30pm - cake cut

Remember, use a tripod, don't use zoom, do the White Balance setting on the camera. After your wedding is over and you have some time to sit down and edit it, you'll have a bunch of nice, clean, steady shots with good color instead of a garbled mess of handheld shots you don't really want to remember.

Also congratulations on the wedding 🙂
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FANTASTIC reply! You are awesome Kaido! Thanks so much for this....I have been eyeing the HF100 for awhile now and can get it for $589 shipped from buydig(reliable?) if needed today!
 
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
FANTASTIC reply! You are awesome Kaido! Thanks so much for this....I have been eyeing the HF100 for awhile now and can get it for $589 shipped from buydig(reliable?) if needed today!
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np 🙂

Yah Buydig is super awesome, go ahead and buy from them.

There are two kinds of batteries to choose from: standard and high capacity. You can get cheapies off Amazon or eBay; be sure to get a car charger in case you run into a pinch at your wedding and need some juice ASAP. Sterlingtek also makes great aftermarket batteries if you want to go with a better-known brand. Standard batteries last 40 minutes on the low side, so expect about that with yours - don't plan on them working for what is advertised lol. My advice is just to get a bunch of cheapies, then you can rotate them and always have one charging and you're not out a ton of cash.

The HF100 also shoots at 30p, which you may want to do instead of 24p because it will look good online, you don't have to de-interlace it (less editing work), and you can play it back on your PS3 or whatever and it will look great.

An 8gb card will last about an hour for video, they run less than $20 at most places like Newegg. You'll want to get a Class 6 card (those are the fast ones). They also have 16gb cards which get around 2 hours of video but are usually a few bucks more expensive. Here are a couple good value cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820211180

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820183193

One more thing to add to your list, get a 37mm UV filter. They should be about $10 anywhere. This is your "lens protection". It doesn't really do anything for your picture quality, but it will protect your built-in lens from scratches, dust, water, etc. You'll feel much better about replacing a scratched or damanged $10 UV filter than you will a $600 camera lens 😉 You can also find good knockoff lenses for cheap, I have a wide-angle plus macro kit that was around $30 on Amazon. The macro would be good for getting shots of your rings (although the Canons do a decent "small" macro) and the wide-angle would be good for getting shots of the whole family.

Get a good bag, cheap is fine. I like the MiniDV camcorder bags shaped like small lunchboxes, they are large enough to hold the camera, accessories, plus a bunch of batteries and cards and stuff. Just make sure it's padded. You definitely want a bag so that you can just check all the camera stuff together.

As far as making your videos look great, again be sure to use a tripod and don't zoom in or out while recording. Really the only other thing you make your videos "pop" is color correction. You don't even have to be a pro at this, just pick up a package like Magic Bullet "Looks":

http://www.redgiantsoftware.co...on/magic-bullet-looks/

Import your footage, string some clips together with transitions and music, and then do some color correction and voila, a professional-looking high-definition video.

So as far as a shopping list goes:

1. Canon HF100 camera
2. A couple 8gb cards (nice to have at least one spare in case one dies)
3. A few cheapie batteries plus a combination wall/car charger (again a cheapie model is fine)
4. A tripod (photo if you're on a budget, fluid-head video if you can afford it or borrow one)
5. A good padded bag
6. A UV filter (to protect the lens)
7. Some color correction software (a lot of video editing packages have this built-in; Magic Bullet just makes it really easy with great results)

An external microphone is also good if you are interested in picking up vocals. The Rode VideoMic is probably the best consumer shotgun microphone on the market right now, runs about $150 if you can find it on sale. This will sound a lot better and cleaner than any onboard microphone on a video camera. However this isn't really a necessity for a wedding video because you'll probably be overlaying music to create a soundtrack for the video.

Oh and if you upload anything for friends/family be sure to use Vimeo, it's like a High-Def version of Youtube:

http://www.vimeo.com
 
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
FANTASTIC reply! You are awesome Kaido! Thanks so much for this....I have been eyeing the HF100 for awhile now and can get it for $589 shipped from buydig(reliable?) if needed today!
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np 🙂

Yah Buydig is super awesome, go ahead and buy from them.

There are two kinds of batteries to choose from: standard and high capacity. You can get cheapies off Amazon or eBay; be sure to get a car charger in case you run into a pinch at your wedding and need some juice ASAP. Sterlingtek also makes great aftermarket batteries if you want to go with a better-known brand. Standard batteries last 40 minutes on the low side, so expect about that with yours - don't plan on them working for what is advertised lol. My advice is just to get a bunch of cheapies, then you can rotate them and always have one charging and you're not out a ton of cash.

The HF100 also shoots at 30p, which you may want to do instead of 24p because it will look good online, you don't have to de-interlace it (less editing work), and you can play it back on your PS3 or whatever and it will look great.

An 8gb card will last about an hour for video, they run less than $20 at most places like Newegg. You'll want to get a Class 6 card (those are the fast ones). They also have 16gb cards which get around 2 hours of video but are usually a few bucks more expensive. Here are a couple good value cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820211180

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820183193

One more thing to add to your list, get a 37mm UV filter. They should be about $10 anywhere. This is your "lens protection". It doesn't really do anything for your picture quality, but it will protect your built-in lens from scratches, dust, water, etc. You'll feel much better about replacing a scratched or damanged $10 UV filter than you will a $600 camera lens 😉 You can also find good knockoff lenses for cheap, I have a wide-angle plus macro kit that was around $30 on Amazon. The macro would be good for getting shots of your rings (although the Canons do a decent "small" macro) and the wide-angle would be good for getting shots of the whole family.

Get a good bag, cheap is fine. I like the MiniDV camcorder bags shaped like small lunchboxes, they are large enough to hold the camera, accessories, plus a bunch of batteries and cards and stuff. Just make sure it's padded. You definitely want a bag so that you can just check all the camera stuff together.

As far as making your videos look great, again be sure to use a tripod and don't zoom in or out while recording. Really the only other thing you make your videos "pop" is color correction. You don't even have to be a pro at this, just pick up a package like Magic Bullet "Looks":

http://www.redgiantsoftware.co...on/magic-bullet-looks/

Import your footage, string some clips together with transitions and music, and then do some color correction and voila, a professional-looking high-definition video.

So as far as a shopping list goes:

1. Canon HF100 camera
2. A couple 8gb cards (nice to have at least one spare in case one dies)
3. A few cheapie batteries plus a combination wall/car charger (again a cheapie model is fine)
4. A tripod (photo if you're on a budget, fluid-head video if you can afford it or borrow one)
5. A good padded bag
6. A UV filter (to protect the lens)
7. Some color correction software (a lot of video editing packages have this built-in; Magic Bullet just makes it really easy with great results)

An external microphone is also good if you are interested in picking up vocals. The Rode VideoMic is probably the best consumer shotgun microphone on the market right now, runs about $150 if you can find it on sale. This will sound a lot better and cleaner than any onboard microphone on a video camera. However this isn't really a necessity for a wedding video because you'll probably be overlaying music to create a soundtrack for the video.

Oh and if you upload anything for friends/family be sure to use Vimeo, it's like a High-Def version of Youtube:

http://www.vimeo.com
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Another fantastic reply! As for the battery...I have found that the "extended" battery is around $100....which is WAY more than I want to spend. I do need an extra battery or two....but those are insane prices for such a small battery. What is the cheapest/best backup battery I can find for the HF100?


Also, is Magic Bullet an addin for Adobe Premiere?

I have been checking out these video http://www.vimeo.com/samitak/videos/sort:date from someone that has the HF100 and I am seriously stunned at the quality! With a little color correction on these vidz....we can make it look awesome!
 
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
Another fantastic reply! As for the battery...I have found that the "extended" battery is around $100....which is WAY more than I want to spend. I do need an extra battery or two....but those are insane prices for such a small battery. What is the cheapest/best backup battery I can find for the HF100?


Also, is Magic Bullet an addin for Adobe Premiere?

I have been checking out these video http://www.vimeo.com/samitak/videos/sort:date from someone that has the HF100 and I am seriously stunned at the quality! With a little color correction on these vidz....we can make it look awesome!
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Amazon or eBay, either the BP-809S or BP-819. Sterlingtek makes the best aftermarket batteries imo. The Canon BP-809S standard batter is like $60 @ 890mAh while the Sterlingtek is $53 @ 1200mAh. The cheapest way however is to go on eBay and type in "Canon HF100" battery. They have knockoffs for $10 that include a battery and multifunction car/wall charger. Granted they are knockoffs, so I wouldn't expect those BP-819 clones to really hold a 1600mAh charge, but for $20 shipped you can't beat em. I have tons of them for my Canon HV20 and they've held up almost a year so far. Just get 2 or 3 or 4 of those and you should be all set 🙂

Yeah Magic Bullet Looks is either standalone or a plugin, you can get it for Adobe Premier Pro CS3 v2.0:

http://www.redgiantsoftware.co...t-looks/compatibility/

A "look" like "Filmic Warm" (scroll down 1/2 way) would make your wedding video look really great:

http://www.adobe.com/special/p.../redgiant_descrip.html

@ siamtek's videos on Vimeo, he used Magic Bullet to color grade those. Click click done.
 
Kaido,

Can you tell me where I can find the cheapest battery charger for the Stelingtek battery I just ordered as well as the battery that comes with the camera itself?
 
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
Kaido,

Can you tell me where I can find the cheapest battery charger for the Stelingtek battery I just ordered as well as the battery that comes with the camera itself?
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eBay, just get a knockoff. They all work the same.
 
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
I ordered one from Amazon.com for $60 shipped....seems a bit steep but I need all working equipment!
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Pretty much, once you get everything you're set for life. You'll have to get new batteries every 1-2 years, that's about it. Again if you go with the knockoffs, you can get 5 batteries and Wall/Car chargers for $100 on eBay.

Don't forget about the UV filter, you DON'T want to scratch that lens! 😉
 
Kaido,

I purchased the BP-809 1200mAh battery from Sterlingtek like you advised. I also purchased a Canon CG-800 battery as well. Can you please verify that your battery will charge in this battery charger? I received both today and put the battery in it....plugged it in....no lights came on like it was wanting to charge.

I was SUPPOSED to receive the camcorder today as well....that didn't happen...so I can't try the "actual" Canon battery until I receive it.

Any help would be greatly appreicated!
 
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
Kaido,

I purchased the BP-809 1200mAh battery from Sterlingtek like you advised. I also purchased a Canon CG-800 battery as well. Can you please verify that your battery will charge in this battery charger? I received both today and put the battery in it....plugged it in....no lights came on like it was wanting to charge.

I was SUPPOSED to receive the camcorder today as well....that didn't happen...so I can't try the "actual" Canon battery until I receive it.

Any help would be greatly appreicated!
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Hmm - did you snap it in? Are the prongs oriented the right way? The Canon charger is a Li-Ion charger and the Sterlingtek is a Li-Ion battery, so it should work. I can only think of 2 problems:

1. The charger or battery is faulty
2. Canon's charger won't charge unofficial batteries

When your camera arrives, plug in the Sterlingtek and try charging it directly on the camera itself (there's an A/C adapter for the camera). If it charges, then your Canon is faulty or doesn't work with unofficial batteries. If it doesn't charge, then the battery is dead.
 
This Sterlingtek battery is about 3/4 full.....it should be just fine.

I am just going to wait on the Canon battery before I determine that the charger is faulty. Also, on this Sterlingtek battery....there is an input for an ac adapter....what is this for?
 
Kaido,

I purchased 2 of the Sterlingtek BP-809's @ 1200mAh each. The Canon battery charger I purchase does NOT charge these batteries. It does charge the "Canon" battery that came with the camera.

When I put the batteries in the camera....it does power on. When I turn it off....it will not charge the batteries (the charge indicator does not blink). It does charge the "Canon" battery.

Now with this said, each of the Sterlingtek batteries have a plug input for an ac adapter. Is this how the batteries are charged? If so, do I use the HF100 ac adapter do accomplish the charging of the batteries?

Sterlingtek apparently does not sell the battery charge for these batteries. Highly dissapointed in that.

I received the HF100 today...VERY NICE!
 
Kaido,

I have happened to get my hands on Sony Vegas Pro 8 and Red Giant Magic Bullet Looks to edit my video. When I record something with my HF100 at the highest settings, transfer them to my computer and open them in Sony Vegas 8, I play it and it seems a bit choppy. I figured my current setup would handle HD editing just fine:

* Gigabyte 780G GA-MA78GM-S2H Motherboard
* AMD AM2 X2 5600+ Dual Core
* 4GB (4 X 1GB Kingston PC2-6400)
* EVGA 8600GTS 512MB Video Card (PCI-E)
* 2TB WD 7200RPM Hard Drive Space
* Dell E207WFP 20" WS LCD
* Microsoft Vista Ultimate 32bit
* DVD-RW Drive

Will this be a decent setup to edit HD video? Anything you can recommend that I upgrade on it? Computer does NOT run slow when editing, it's just that playback on the actual video is bit choppy.

Also, I do not have a Blu-Ray burner (yet) but would like to edit and burn my HD video to DVD. Is this possible or will I lose quality when I burn to DVD? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
 
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
Kaido,

I purchased 2 of the Sterlingtek BP-809's @ 1200mAh each. The Canon battery charger I purchase does NOT charge these batteries. It does charge the "Canon" battery that came with the camera.

When I put the batteries in the camera....it does power on. When I turn it off....it will not charge the batteries (the charge indicator does not blink). It does charge the "Canon" battery.

Now with this said, each of the Sterlingtek batteries have a plug input for an ac adapter. Is this how the batteries are charged? If so, do I use the HF100 ac adapter do accomplish the charging of the batteries?

Sterlingtek apparently does not sell the battery charge for these batteries. Highly dissapointed in that.

I received the HF100 today...VERY NICE!
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Hmm that's odd. Does the camera charger cable charge the batteries via the port?
 
Originally posted by: StarsFan4Life
Kaido,

I have happened to get my hands on Sony Vegas Pro 8 and Red Giant Magic Bullet Looks to edit my video. When I record something with my HF100 at the highest settings, transfer them to my computer and open them in Sony Vegas 8, I play it and it seems a bit choppy. I figured my current setup would handle HD editing just fine:

* Gigabyte 780G GA-MA78GM-S2H Motherboard
* AMD AM2 X2 5600+ Dual Core
* 4GB (4 X 1GB Kingston PC2-6400)
* EVGA 8600GTS 512MB Video Card (PCI-E)
* 2TB WD 7200RPM Hard Drive Space
* Dell E207WFP 20" WS LCD
* Microsoft Vista Ultimate 32bit
* DVD-RW Drive

Will this be a decent setup to edit HD video? Anything you can recommend that I upgrade on it? Computer does NOT run slow when editing, it's just that playback on the actual video is bit choppy.

Also, I do not have a Blu-Ray burner (yet) but would like to edit and burn my HD video to DVD. Is this possible or will I lose quality when I burn to DVD? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
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Yes that's a great setup to edit HD video! I did some research on the HF100 (a local buddy got one and I played with some footage). Here is what I found out:

-The HF100 records to AVCHD (same as Blu-ray)
-AVCHD is very high-quality and therefore processor intensive
-Very few apps support native AVCHD, but more are starting to
-The best way to deal with editing is to import & convert the files to a more editing-friendly file format

So technically you *can* edit AVCHD directly, but it's a major pain in the neck. I tried both Final Cut Pro and Adobe Premier in CS4 on my Mac computer. What we ended up doing was converting the M2T/MTS files to Apple's ProRes format and it was way better. No lag in playback. I found a great program for auto-conversion on both PC and Mac called VoltaicHD. It's $35 and can convert to a ton of formats, as well as do batch conversions. So you can plug in your SD card, line up the clips for batch conversion, and let it go to town overnight. When you wake up, all of your clips are ready to edit with no lag! Here's a link:

http://www.shedworx.com/volmac-home

Yes, you can burn HD to DVD. You will need either (1) a video player compatible with file playbacks, such as a Playstation 3, or (2) downscale the HD to DVD format and burn as a DVD Movie (format-wise) so that it will play in a regular DVD player. Even downconverted, HD footage still looks amazing on a DVD.
 
question about HV30 if you don't mind I jack the thread. When transferring video from the camcorder to computer, does it do it in real time, or can it go faster than that?
 
Originally posted by: ivan2
question about HV30 if you don't mind I jack the thread. When transferring video from the camcorder to computer, does it do it in real time, or can it go faster than that?
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It's in real-time because DV tape transfer is 1:1. But it's totally worth it - the HV30 has AMAZING PQ! 😀
 
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