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Camaro 35th Edition or Firebird Special Edition? ***!!!Updated with Pics!!!***
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Let me reiterate the topic here: Camaro 35th Edition or Firebird
I am annoyed by the all the people who don't know anything about cars, engines, performance, or how all that goes together...and then acting like they know everything there is to know.
I love the LS1 V8 because of its excellent design...it can produce enourmous amounts of torque and HP, rev up to 8000 RPM (with valve spring and pushrod upgrade), and still get respectable MPG while being daily driven. It is reliable, impervious to heat and light. How any other engines are such a well-proportioned mix of all those qualities?
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<< You know, that's odd, because for some reason I recall you slamming Veedub/Audi pretty good, which by your own words shouldn't have happened since you don't own one.
The other's in this thread aren't flaming you for your knowledge of cars(completely), but are moreso annoyed by your "all hail the GM V8" attitude. >>
I am annoyed by the all the people who don't know anything about cars, engines, performance, or how all that goes together...and then acting like they know everything there is to know.
I love the LS1 V8 because of its excellent design...it can produce enourmous amounts of torque and HP, rev up to 8000 RPM (with valve spring and pushrod upgrade), and still get respectable MPG while being daily driven. It is reliable, impervious to heat and light. How any other engines are such a well-proportioned mix of all those qualities?
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<< You know, that's odd, because for some reason I recall you slamming Veedub/Audi pretty good, which by your own words shouldn't have happened since you don't own one.
The other's in this thread aren't flaming you for your knowledge of cars(completely), but are moreso annoyed by your "all hail the GM V8" attitude. >>
That article pretty much sums up why GM ditched the 3.4 DOHC V6 to go back to the 3.8L.
The 3.4 was expensive to build, expensive to repair, and required a ton more maintainance than the 3.8L. But, I think that is more the problem of GM's design than the technology behind it. Honda and Toyota have proven that not all DOHC engine designs fall victim to the weaknesses described in that link.
The 3.4 was expensive to build, expensive to repair, and required a ton more maintainance than the 3.8L. But, I think that is more the problem of GM's design than the technology behind it. Honda and Toyota have proven that not all DOHC engine designs fall victim to the weaknesses described in that link.
How does their link page make them biased? Biased to what? The article was well written, and contained information that is factual.
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yes, and not at all biased. their link page
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yes, and not at all biased. their link page
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wow havent posted in one of these threads in a while..
first just wanted to say that the fbdoy, mustang, etc. mostly appeal to a younger driver, one that doesnt usually drive porsche's, bmw's, etc. they drive civics, focus's, etc. the interior of a stock trans am is nicer than most any other car your going to see a kid driving. power-controlled leather seats with inflatable lumbar support, removable t-top roof panels, and YES there actually ARE cupholders. 😛
and you can have a camaro optioned to be just as nice.. I haven't had a girl yet ride in my firebird and not say how "nice" it is, etc. it had no leather, power options, or anything! 🙁
but my taste changed, I prefer the SS look.. check it out
first just wanted to say that the fbdoy, mustang, etc. mostly appeal to a younger driver, one that doesnt usually drive porsche's, bmw's, etc. they drive civics, focus's, etc. the interior of a stock trans am is nicer than most any other car your going to see a kid driving. power-controlled leather seats with inflatable lumbar support, removable t-top roof panels, and YES there actually ARE cupholders. 😛
and you can have a camaro optioned to be just as nice.. I haven't had a girl yet ride in my firebird and not say how "nice" it is, etc. it had no leather, power options, or anything! 🙁
but my taste changed, I prefer the SS look.. check it out
I guess you didn't bother to read the article. It was a comparison article of OHC and Pushrod engines. What does this have to do with a car being import or domestic? You think imports are the only cars that use the OHC design? One of the first things the article stated was, "Many engines use OHC," and that is 100% true. The article was comparing the Ford 5.0L pushrod to the 4.6L SOHC that replaced it...shut up about your freaking imports vs domestics crap already, and go learn about all the stuff you don't know. Then perhaps you can contribute something more interesting to a thread about cars, other than your views on what you read in MotorTrend.
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<< because that site is geared speciafically towards american built/designed cars. it's like going to AMD's site and expecting them to say anything positive about Intel's chips. NOT gonna happen... >>
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<< because that site is geared speciafically towards american built/designed cars. it's like going to AMD's site and expecting them to say anything positive about Intel's chips. NOT gonna happen... >>
Actually, GM has put out some of the best engines out there. Go check out some honda, nissan or toyota forums...you'll see that 'broken timing belt replacement' is a fairly common repair, and it's not a cheap repair unless you can do it yourself. GM uses a 3.4L OHC V6 in the Grand AM SE, GT and Asstec. The 3.8L V6 is used in the Grand Prix and the V6 Fbods. They're all good, reliable and powerful engines.
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<< That article pretty much sums up why GM ditched the 3.4 DOHC V6 to go back to the 3.8L.
The 3.4 was expensive to build, expensive to repair, and required a ton more maintainance than the 3.8L. But, I think that is more the problem of GM's design than the technology behind it. Honda and Toyota have proven that not all DOHC engine designs fall victim to the weaknesses described in that link. >>
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<< That article pretty much sums up why GM ditched the 3.4 DOHC V6 to go back to the 3.8L.
The 3.4 was expensive to build, expensive to repair, and required a ton more maintainance than the 3.8L. But, I think that is more the problem of GM's design than the technology behind it. Honda and Toyota have proven that not all DOHC engine designs fall victim to the weaknesses described in that link. >>
i read it and i saw the comparison. i was also already aware of the cost to repair issue. as with other things in life, stuff that's cheap to produce is cheap to repair, but that doesnt' mean that it's THE best stuff. i would LOVE to see ford/gm produce a ~3.0L I6/V6 that kicks ass. sadly, it's NOT gonna happen. when they want more power, they increase displacement. i respect the 320hp, 4.6L dohc v8 in the SVT COBRA a lot more than i respect the 260hp, 4.6L sohc v8 in the MUSTANG GT, or the 310hp, 5.7L sohc v8 in the camaro.
<< I guess you didn't bother to read the article. It was a comparison article of OHC and Pushrod engines. What does this have to do with a car being import or domestic? You think imports are the only cars that use the OHC design? One of the first things the article stated was, "Many engines use OHC," and that is 100% true. The article was comparing the Ford 5.0L pushrod to the 4.6L SOHC that replaced it...shut up about your freaking imports vs domestics crap already, and go learn about all the stuff you don't know. Then perhaps you can contribute something more interesting to a thread about cars, other than your views on what you read in MotorTrend.
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<< I guess you didn't bother to read the article. It was a comparison article of OHC and Pushrod engines. What does this have to do with a car being import or domestic? You think imports are the only cars that use the OHC design? One of the first things the article stated was, "Many engines use OHC," and that is 100% true. The article was comparing the Ford 5.0L pushrod to the 4.6L SOHC that replaced it...shut up about your freaking imports vs domestics crap already, and go learn about all the stuff you don't know. Then perhaps you can contribute something more interesting to a thread about cars, other than your views on what you read in MotorTrend.
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<< Front-wheel drive handles better than RWD? Is that so? Then why don't we see more FWD F1 or Le Mans racers? If it is so much better, why not use it? Is it because FWD is just a cost-cutting measure that manufacturers started in the 70s during the economic slowdown, and had nothing to do with improving a cars handling? In reality, FWD actually worsen's a cars handling by putting too much work load on the front tires. AWD? Yeah, AWD is ok if you are off roading...but that's where AWD stops being beneficial.
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FWD is useful as it reduces the space needed for driveshafts to the rear quarters. That means more interior room.
yeah, but engine room is a completely different argument. and not one that i can talk about, since i don't know much about actual engine sizes. just stick a 1.8L I4 and your problem will be solved. 😉
<< Thats fine to respect it more, but it doesn't at all have the performance 🙂
I very much don't care for it, there is no room in the engine compartment, with my 18th centure LS1 I still have enough room to litterally Stand inbetween my Radiator and the Engine block. That OHC motor of Fords needs a Shoehorn to fit in even their trucks, that was the big sell point for me back in 98 to NOT buy the F-150, I liked a lot of other things in the truck but under the hood I frowned it bad, my buddy with the 95 lightning has room to sleep under his hood 🙂 >>
<< Thats fine to respect it more, but it doesn't at all have the performance 🙂
I very much don't care for it, there is no room in the engine compartment, with my 18th centure LS1 I still have enough room to litterally Stand inbetween my Radiator and the Engine block. That OHC motor of Fords needs a Shoehorn to fit in even their trucks, that was the big sell point for me back in 98 to NOT buy the F-150, I liked a lot of other things in the truck but under the hood I frowned it bad, my buddy with the 95 lightning has room to sleep under his hood 🙂 >>
Actually, GM did...it's the I6 in the Trailblazer. What is wrong with increasing displacement? Nissan did it...used to stuff 3.0L V6 into Maximas...now it is 3.5L. There really is no replacement for displacement, my ignorant friend...
Thanks for letting me know which engine you respect...coming from you, that means a lot. You obviously know more about cars and engines than anyone on this message forum...clearly, the smaller the engine the better it is. Hey, tell you want. You want an AWESOME engine? How about a you put a OS .21 CVR in your Eclipse. It is about 3.5cc and makes a whopping 850 HP/L. THAT MUST BE THE MOST AWESOME FREAKIN ENGINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
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<< i read it and i saw the comparison. i was also already aware of the cost to repair issue. as with other things in life, stuff that's cheap to produce is cheap to repair, but that doesnt' mean that it's THE best stuff. i would LOVE to see ford/gm produce a ~3.0L I6/V6 that kicks ass. sadly, it's NOT gonna happen. when they want more power, they increase displacement. i respect the 320hp, 4.6L dohc v8 in the SVT COBRA a lot more than i respect the 260hp, 4.6L sohc v8 in the MUSTANG GT, or the 310hp, 5.7L sohc v8 in the camaro. >>
Thanks for letting me know which engine you respect...coming from you, that means a lot. You obviously know more about cars and engines than anyone on this message forum...clearly, the smaller the engine the better it is. Hey, tell you want. You want an AWESOME engine? How about a you put a OS .21 CVR in your Eclipse. It is about 3.5cc and makes a whopping 850 HP/L. THAT MUST BE THE MOST AWESOME FREAKIN ENGINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
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<< i read it and i saw the comparison. i was also already aware of the cost to repair issue. as with other things in life, stuff that's cheap to produce is cheap to repair, but that doesnt' mean that it's THE best stuff. i would LOVE to see ford/gm produce a ~3.0L I6/V6 that kicks ass. sadly, it's NOT gonna happen. when they want more power, they increase displacement. i respect the 320hp, 4.6L dohc v8 in the SVT COBRA a lot more than i respect the 260hp, 4.6L sohc v8 in the MUSTANG GT, or the 310hp, 5.7L sohc v8 in the camaro. >>
Dude, nothing in this thread is anything you can talk about.
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<< yeah, but engine room is a completely different argument. and not one that i can talk about, since i don't know much about actual engine sizes. just stick a 1.8L I4 and your problem will be solved. 😉
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<< yeah, but engine room is a completely different argument. and not one that i can talk about, since i don't know much about actual engine sizes. just stick a 1.8L I4 and your problem will be solved. 😉
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you are freaking hilarious. you cannot make one comment without a cheap shot. they increased displacement by a whopping 0.5L. speaking of which... the 3.5L V6 in the upcoming Z produces 280hp NA. the 5.7L V8 (LS1) produces 310hp. let's see... 80hp/L vs 55hp/L. hmmmm....
<< Actually, GM did...it's the I6 in the Trailblazer. What is wrong with increasing displacement? Nissan did it...used to stuff 3.0L V6 into Maximas...now it is 3.5L. There really is no replacement for displacement, my ignorant friend...
Thanks for letting me know which engine you respect...coming from you, that means a lot. You obviously know more about cars and engines than anyone on this message forum...clearly, the smaller the engine the better it is. Hey, tell you want. You want an AWESOME engine? How about a you put a OS .21 CVR in your Eclipse. It is about 3.5cc and makes a whopping 850 HP/L. THAT MUST BE THE MOST AWESOME FREAKIN ENGINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
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<< i read it and i saw the comparison. i was also already aware of the cost to repair issue. as with other things in life, stuff that's cheap to produce is cheap to repair, but that doesnt' mean that it's THE best stuff. i would LOVE to see ford/gm produce a ~3.0L I6/V6 that kicks ass. sadly, it's NOT gonna happen. when they want more power, they increase displacement. i respect the 320hp, 4.6L dohc v8 in the SVT COBRA a lot more than i respect the 260hp, 4.6L sohc v8 in the MUSTANG GT, or the 310hp, 5.7L sohc v8 in the camaro. >>
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<< Actually, GM did...it's the I6 in the Trailblazer. What is wrong with increasing displacement? Nissan did it...used to stuff 3.0L V6 into Maximas...now it is 3.5L. There really is no replacement for displacement, my ignorant friend...
Thanks for letting me know which engine you respect...coming from you, that means a lot. You obviously know more about cars and engines than anyone on this message forum...clearly, the smaller the engine the better it is. Hey, tell you want. You want an AWESOME engine? How about a you put a OS .21 CVR in your Eclipse. It is about 3.5cc and makes a whopping 850 HP/L. THAT MUST BE THE MOST AWESOME FREAKIN ENGINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
-= SsZERO =-
<< i read it and i saw the comparison. i was also already aware of the cost to repair issue. as with other things in life, stuff that's cheap to produce is cheap to repair, but that doesnt' mean that it's THE best stuff. i would LOVE to see ford/gm produce a ~3.0L I6/V6 that kicks ass. sadly, it's NOT gonna happen. when they want more power, they increase displacement. i respect the 320hp, 4.6L dohc v8 in the SVT COBRA a lot more than i respect the 260hp, 4.6L sohc v8 in the MUSTANG GT, or the 310hp, 5.7L sohc v8 in the camaro. >>
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