Calories = Calories = Calories?
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Not entirely. Hypercaloric diets with saturated fats show more fat gain than is seen on diets with the name number of calories, but from unsaturated fats.
Diets high in fructose (mainly from table sugar (50% fructose) and high-fructose corn syrup (55% fructose)) induce insulin resistance, high blood pressure, and depress effective thyroid function (by reducing hepatic deiodinase activity).
So if you want to pack on the pounds, the chips-n-soda diet will do it extra fast.
Diets high in fructose (mainly from table sugar (50% fructose) and high-fructose corn syrup (55% fructose)) induce insulin resistance, high blood pressure, and depress effective thyroid function (by reducing hepatic deiodinase activity).
So if you want to pack on the pounds, the chips-n-soda diet will do it extra fast.
Many experts are pointing out that the sharp rise in Obesity in America started around the same time that Fructose was bombarded into the food supply. Thus it's not that Americans are eating more than they did 20 yrs ago, it's because we're eating more products containign fructose. Fructose ruins a healthy metabolism, and it's found nearly everywhere. Soda, snacks, ketchup, etc... Fructose is used as a cheap form of sweetening. Cheaper than table sugar, but far, far more harmful to a healthy metabolism. Simply eliminating Fructose from your diet can do wonders.
Fructose is the sugar naturally found in fruits. 5 Servings of fruits and veggies is recommended for the avg. person. So how is fructose so bad?
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Well, it's also compounded by the fact that things containing HFCS are also typically devoid of any nutritional content and are easily consumed in mass quantities.
Empty calories that easily consumed in large volumes. Have a 12oz can of pop and you just added 150 extra calories to your day. Two or three and that's a meal.
Instead of drinking water, tea, or unsweetened fruit juice, people drink pop, drink 5% fruit juice with the rest being water and HFCS, and other items that are nothing more than highly refined sugars and "bad" carbs.
It's a double ding. It's bad. And we consume way too much of it and add unnecessary calories.
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The problem isn't simply fructose, it is the high-fructose corn syrup that is so prevalent these days.
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Fructose is the sugar naturally found in fruits. 5 Servings of fruits and veggies is recommended for the avg. person. So how is fructose so bad?
High Fructose Corn Syrup. HCFS. It's what they use to sweeten many beverages and candies.
High Fructose Corn Syrup. HCFS. It's what they use to sweeten many beverages and candies.
If HCFS is so high in fructose, then why the distinction between HCFS and fructose naturally found in fruits?
Well if you add the fructose in fruits (5 a day) to the HFCS in drinks and sweets, you probably get just too much fructose, which is a bad thing.
In and of itself, like many things, it's fine in small doses (like 5 portions a day) but add in the extra and you get too much, which is bad.
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The Omnivore
Good independant site that seems to backup everything he says with research. Just found it recently so I haven't had much a chance to verify his validity myself, but most of what he says seems to fall in line with my own personal experience and information digging.
Edit: Oh, and to hit the HFCS thing... apparently HFCS is made of equal parts Fructose and Glucose+Higher Sugars. ie: Fructose isn't bad for you, but consuming lots of high glycemic sugars is. Glucose = 100, Fructose = 20.
Good independant site that seems to backup everything he says with research. Just found it recently so I haven't had much a chance to verify his validity myself, but most of what he says seems to fall in line with my own personal experience and information digging.
Edit: Oh, and to hit the HFCS thing... apparently HFCS is made of equal parts Fructose and Glucose+Higher Sugars. ie: Fructose isn't bad for you, but consuming lots of high glycemic sugars is. Glucose = 100, Fructose = 20.
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HCFS is man made and the calories you get vs the nutrition you get out of it are much, much lower than what you would find in fruit.
A single serving of a non-diet soft drink sweetened with HFCS is about 150 calories. I'd have to eat half a pound of mixed berries to equal that in calories. And with the berries I'd get lots of vitamin C, almost my entire days worth of fiber, anti-oxidants, and the other natural nutrition found in the berries. And a half pound of berries is a lot of berries.
But a single can of pop isn't that much, and I get absolutely NOTHING for nutrition out of it.
Empty calories. Made with processed sweetener.
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Also, you said fruits AND veggies.
If you have two servings of fruit a day, that's under 150 calories depending on the fruit.
You can have 3 servings of veggies for a grand total of under 60 calories. And no carbs to speak of. Lettuce, spinach, carrots, field greens, onions, peppers, ect have no real caloric values to them. And they provide fiber, vitamins, and other stuff that most products contain HFCS do not have.
If you have two servings of fruit a day, that's under 150 calories depending on the fruit.
You can have 3 servings of veggies for a grand total of under 60 calories. And no carbs to speak of. Lettuce, spinach, carrots, field greens, onions, peppers, ect have no real caloric values to them. And they provide fiber, vitamins, and other stuff that most products contain HFCS do not have.
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Calories come from 3 sources...
Protein, Carbs/Sugar, & Fat
Protein calories contribute nothing to weight gain. and it takes more energy to get energy from them than they produce... which is why the "protein only" atkins diet works to help you lose weight.
Protein, Carbs/Sugar, & Fat
Protein calories contribute nothing to weight gain. and it takes more energy to get energy from them than they produce... which is why the "protein only" atkins diet works to help you lose weight.
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Protein can be utilized in some (generally rare/extreme) circumstances to provide energy. But generally, lipids are the most energy dense, and therefore optimal, source of energy for the body. Proteins found in the body tend to be in the form of denatured amino acids or as active transport vesciles for other substances between cells/cellular membranes.
And as a side note. Atkins is a crock.
Carbs are very important (though how important tends to get thrown hard to one extreme or another by diet fads).If I want to lose 5 pounds without doing anything, I drink fresh brewed tea instead of pop and I eat nuts and dried fruit instead of chips or donuts. Free weight loss without working out!
Sorry, I should of been more specific. Yes, as others have pointed out. high-fructose corn syrup is the worst.
Fructose is fructose, no matter what the source. What matters is simply the quantity. The "primary" metabolic pathway for fructose metabolism is enzymatically limited to about 50g/day; it's only when the amount consumed spills over into the alternate pathway that it has deleterious effects on health and energy balance.
You have to eat a *lot* of fruit to get 50g of fructose (bear in mind that fructose is only one of the sugars found in fruits), but it doesn't take much soda pop (or fruit *juice*) to get far more than 50g.
Most fruit juices aren't *too* bad; they're just far easier to consume lots more calories and sugar in that form. The two notable exceptions are apple juice and pear juice which are much higher in fructose than other fruit juices. Trouble is, when you buy almost any other kind of fruit juice, it's usually pear juice with a little of whatever's on the label added.
(Note, btw, that most sugar alcohols--including sorbitol and maltitol--are metabolized into fructose, so those count, too.)
From what I've heard, a calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from: protein, fat, or sugar. If you take in 2000 calories a day and burn 2000 you are good. If you take in 3000 though and burn 2000, you have an excess 1000. If the calories came from fat your body will store it instantly. If it came from sugar it will easily be turned into fat after a little work. If it came from protein your body will have to do a lot of work to it to turn it into fat. So the more work it has to do, the less that will be left to stick around.
Simply put, pay attention to what you eat. Whenever possible subsitute healthier alternatives. Instead of getting a bottle of juice, eat some of the actual fruit (say an orange or grapes) Also pay attention to how much you're actually consuming. Quite a bit of people don't realize just how much they are eating. Some people look at the label and see, but then totally dismiss that it contains several servings and not just one. One example that I know of is pizza. Most people don't realize that just a single slice of pizza from most restaurants (Pizza Hut, Dominoe's, etc.) contains as many calories and as much fat as a quarter pound burger from McDonald's (or other fast food place). Not realizing this, they eat 2-4 slices.
Granted its ok, even good to imbibe every now and again. For instance, if you're in a pretty extensive weight lifting regime (and are aiming to put on weight/muscle) you should every once in a while (say once a month) pig out. Go eat a pizza, or get some donuts.
The key to a good diet is balance. Try to get a variety of foods and nutrients (so, just because you mashed the potato instead of baking it doesn't necessarily mean you got different nutrients). Also remember, that you can eat too healthily. What I mean by that is that if you cut out basically all the fat from your diet, you'll actually end up worse, as some fat is good for you.
Granted its ok, even good to imbibe every now and again. For instance, if you're in a pretty extensive weight lifting regime (and are aiming to put on weight/muscle) you should every once in a while (say once a month) pig out. Go eat a pizza, or get some donuts.
The key to a good diet is balance. Try to get a variety of foods and nutrients (so, just because you mashed the potato instead of baking it doesn't necessarily mean you got different nutrients). Also remember, that you can eat too healthily. What I mean by that is that if you cut out basically all the fat from your diet, you'll actually end up worse, as some fat is good for you.
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Fructose spkies insulin just as much as table sugar dose. The difference in natural fructose is that it comes combined with fiber if you get it where you're suppose to. Fruit, berries, ect, all have quite a bit of fiber, which slows digetion considerably.
The body has to break down all that fiber which takes times. Much like the difference between digestion of complexcarbo hydrates vs. sugar.
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