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calling NISSAN & MITSU gearheads re: 350z & lancer evo (garfang get in here!)

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TuffGuy

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Alright, here's my situation. I have an Eclipse GT. Torque steer + FWD = HELL. I've saved enough to turbo it, but that would only amplify the torque steer problem.

Now, the 350Z will be arriving this fall. The 3.5L V6 will put out (supposedly) about 280hp. How stout is the VQ engine, and how about how much boost would a stock engine be able to withstand? I'm also guessing that it will produce ~14hp per psi of boost.

Another car I'm considering is the Lancer Evo VII since it should also be arriving in the fall. AWD launches rock, but the drivetrain losses... Not to mention that it's still a 2.0L I4. It will have 250+hp stock. How much more power would I be able to get with stock internals and a larger turbo/intercooler?

ASSUMING that I will be keeping either of those cars forever, which would be a better buy and has more potential? I'm leaning towards the 350Z, but it will cost more to make fast because it will have to be turboed.
 
Dude, I don't know about you, but I'd go for the 350Z. The 350Z is a ground up sports car and has a true sports car layout. From it's RWD to its mid/front mounted engine to it's sweet cockpit. And it looks great as well. You just can't beat the VQ V6 IMHO. It's probably the best V6 series on the planet.

To me, the EVO looks like nothing more than a gussied up Lancer (which is an ugly mofo anyway). It looks like something Honda riceboys would dream up. And it's interior looks like downright cheesy to me. You'll also be able to get more options on the Z like GPS, traction control, stability control systems, etc.

And seeing as how you live in California, there isn't going to be any snow to test the TRUE capabilities of the AWD system on the EVO.

To me, the 350Z is a real, seasoned, veteran cop with 30 years of service...the EVO is a punk kid trying to play cop.
 
Seeing that the currect 4g63 engine in dsm's(90-99 eclipse/talon/laser) can handle 400-500 hp on stock internals, i can only imagine how much the evo7 motor will hold.
I would skip the turbo upgrade on your eclipse, torque steer is going to get even worse. Your first two gears, and maybe even the 3rd will become useless due to no traction.

If you want a solid engine with high potential get the evo, but if you want more of a luxurious ride get the Z.
Im waiting for the evo7 to replace my 93 awd talon 🙂
 


<< If you want a solid engine with high potential get the evo, but if you want more of a luxurious ride get the Z. >>


So your saying that the VQ engine is weak and the the Z is soft? Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
 
The 350Z for sure, my friend, if you can afford it. I have a feeling the 350Z, once you add a few options that you'll want, will be significantly more expensive than the Lancer EVO.

I've got to get back to work (I'm taking a break, like anyone orders pizza on Easter!). I'll see y'all later.

Happy Easter.
 


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<< If you want a solid engine with high potential get the evo, but if you want more of a luxurious ride get the Z. >>


So your saying that the VQ engine is weak and the the Z is soft? Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff >>



Do you know anything about turbo'ed engines nfs4? Because if you did then you'd know they're made to handle a lot more power than stock and are made with stronger internals then naturally aspirited engines.
Lets see the engine from the z handle 25 pounds of boost, the rods will snap and the headgasket will pop before you can say "zeeeeeeeee".
 
The engine in the Lancer Evo will and can handle tons of boost..but can its tranny?

Secondly, the VQ V6 in the 350Z can also handle boost since was developed with turbocharging in mind...Nissan is using a turbocharged 3.5L V6 in some car to be used in the Japanese racing circuit as well as using the 3.5L V6 TT to be used in new GTR. That said, the VQ series of engines are tubocharged from the factory for use in JDM cars. However those are the 3L V6 not the 3.5L V6.

There are a few people who have turbocharged the US-spec VQ 3L in their Maximas and with ONLY 4 PSI of boost they are already putting down 277hp and 270tq to the WHEELS!! Only 4psi of boost people!! Everyone was shocked and may disbeilved..till dyno graphs where shown. Also there are others who are using Superchargers putting down around 14lbs <dunno the psi> of boost on stock internals. In terms of nitrous, people have been using 100-shot of N20 on stock internals with the only upgrade being fuel injectors and spark plugs and they have achieved reliability..many are running over 100k miles. For some reason, the VQ series engines really love nitrous..I posted a thread here long time ago for a Maxima.org member putting down ~300hp and 385tq to the wheels with just N20 on stock internals.

That said if you were to buy a car just for getting outragous amounts of power, you wouldn't buy a 350Z or a Evo..you'd get a used Supra or 'Stang or F-body.

The VQ will take a good amount of boost..if you want to get outrageous you'd prolly have to swap in internals from the JDM VQ-T engines to lower compression and get stiffer valve springs, ligthened pistons, etc...

I would personally go for the 350Z or its luxurious cousin, the G35 Coupe.

on another note, finally NFS4 recommends a Nissan..what is the world coming too?? Are rallispec and skoorb as astounded as I am?

 
heh. that's why i'm asking how strong the VQ engine is STOCK. you CAN run 25psi on the evo, but until the turbo spools it's only a 2.0L I4. not to mention the huge lage. i *think* that the 350Z would be able to handle 8-12psi on stock internals, but i'd like to get a confirmation. and until the turbo spools, you still have plenty of power from the torquey 3.5L V6.
 
I would personally go with an Evo VII myself. The Evo is simply more versitle. I would consider the 350z as something like a weekend getaway car. The two cars are really not in the same class.

The VQ is a very strong engine. I don't think anyone here will argue that. It has great torque and it is consistant and reliable. Since there really aren't any supercharger or trubo kits available for the new 3.5 yet, I can't make a call on how it would perform while boosted.

You'd be able to get an easy 400hp out of an Evo. That includes alot of cash to build it up, but it can be done and kept streetable. The Evo just has more to offer IMO.
 


<< Do you know anything about turbo'ed engines nfs4? Because if you did then you'd know they're made to handle a lot more power than stock and are made with stronger internals then naturally aspirited engines.
Lets see the engine from the z handle 25 pounds of boost, the rods will snap and the headgasket will pop before you can say "zeeeeeeeee". >>


They are two completely different engines serving completely different purposes. Calling the Z's VQ engine weak b/c it isn't turbocharged is downright stupid🙂

That's like saying that the M3's engine is weak b/c sane people wouldn't turbocharge it. Different engines, different purposes. I would gladly taking a normally aspirated V6 producing the same power/torque as a 4-banger on crack.


<< on another note, finally NFS4 recommends a Nissan..what is the world coming too?? Are rallispec and skoorb as astounded as I am? >>


I'm not stupid 😉 A Z is certainly a classier vehicle in this case😀
 
I doubt the stock VQ35DE that comes in the US-spec Z can handle the same amount of boost that the I4 in the Evo can..but then why would you wanna have an insance amount of boost anyway? The VQ has a lot of area under its curve and I'm sure with a turbo at around 6psi you can gain almost 120+rwhp.

Also the Z has a classier image than the Evo..it all comes down to what you want man.
 
madd indi... u forgot to mention that should the TT come to the US the Turbo itself will be sold separately through Nismo (which is also coming to the US).

which, in turn, means anyone can Turbo charge their Z (even in stock form) and still retain the Nissan/Infiniti warranty 🙂
 


<< madd indi... u forgot to mention that should the TT come to the US the Turbo itself will be sold separately through Nismo (which is also coming to the US).

which, in turn, means anyone can Turbo charge their Z (even in stock form) and still retain the Nissan/Infiniti warranty 🙂 >>



TT??

/me jaw drops
 


<< madd indi... u forgot to mention that should the TT come to the US the Turbo itself will be sold separately through Nismo (which is also coming to the US).

which, in turn, means anyone can Turbo charge their Z (even in stock form) and still retain the Nissan/Infiniti warranty 🙂 >>


:Q 😀 :Q 😀 :Q 😀
 


<< will have 250+hp stock >>


I've heard that the engine will remain untouched (and it's putting out over 300HP in Japan despite the 276HP agreed limit), with the exception of the exhaust most likely to meet regulations.
 
Oh and what do you think about the RX-8? It's a worthy contender for the 350Z in my eyes, and I can't get over how beautiful it is, but that may be subjective.
 
I think the two cars are in a much different class. I love both of the cars and the new 350Z styling is gaining on me. One note though, the EVO VII is MUCH faster. If in fact it does come to the states with a 276 hp 🙂cough:300+:cough🙂, it's going to waste the 350Z. The numbers are something like 0-60 in less than 4.7 and about a 13.1 1/4 mile and i know the 350Z does 0-60 in about 5.9s. Even though some people don't like the interior, I think its pretty nice. Momo steering wheel, Recaro seats, etc. Can't argue with the 350Z's interior though, it's definitely top notch. If it were my choice though, it'd be the EVO all the way. If you're at all interested in modding ur car too, there are certainly many parts available for the EVO. I would admit though that the 350Z does look like a much more refined, luxurious car, but ur not gonna be able to pack any amount of friends in the back seat. 😉
 


<< Oh and what do you think about the RX-8? It's a worthy contender for the 350Z in my eyes, and I can't get over how beautiful it is, but that may be subjective. >>


i like it, but it has no torque... and i don't know if it has the same problems as the last gen rx-7.
 
Z car. The Mitsu is totally sweet but if it is like almost all other Mitsu's it'll probably be finnicky.............

But honestly, I'd rather have the G35 coupe over either of them. I like the exterior styling better, I like the G35 interior better, and I like the 2+2 configuration over the Z car's 2 seater config. Should only be marginally more expensive than a similarly equipped Z car too.
 
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