Californians -- Why live there if you are not wealthy or upper middle class?

[DucatiMonster696]

The Daily Caller. LOL.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/California-added-38-000-jobs-in-June-3724121.php

California provided a ray of light in an otherwise gloomy monthly jobs report Friday, reporting an increase of more than 38,000 jobs in June - accounting for nearly half the growth in payrolls across the nation.​

You dropped something.

The state's unemployment rate dropped slightly from May, from 10.8 percent to 10.7 percent, but remains the third-highest in the nation.

And if you read further you'd also see.

North Dakota had the lowest unemployment rate in the nation, at 2.9 percent, followed by Nebraska at 3.8 percent.

It's really sad when Alabama is beating us in job growth and unemployment.

Alabama and New Jersey showed the biggest increases in unemployment. The rate in Alabama climbed to 7.8 percent in June from 7.4 percent the prior month. New Jersey's unemployment rate jumped to 9.6 percent in June, the highest in almost two years, from 9.2 percent as more people entered the labor force looking for work.

 

[IGBT]

http://www.cmta.net/page/legupdate-article.php?legupdate_id=21362"

California lost another 4,400 manufacturing jobs in the month of June, even though the state's unemployment rate decreased from 10.8 percent to 10.7 percent after adding 38,300 overall jobs. The state continues to lag the nation in manufacturing growth, as seen in the chart below.

 

[IGBT]

http://www.cmta.net/page/press-releases.php?release_id=164

Sacramento, CA -- California families will be forced to pay $2,500 annually and lose $900 in earnings per year by 2020 as a result of the California Global Warming Solutions Act, according to a study released today. The costs to families will start to mount immediately in 2013. Losses to employers and the state's economy will be counted in the billions.

"These policies will create a large but hidden tax on families and will add new burdens to a fragile state economy" said Jack Stewart, president of the California Manufacturers and Technology Association (CMTA). "This new tax is not what we need while Californians struggle to find jobs, meet mortgage payments and maintain a reasonable quality of life."

 

[IGBT]

http://www.cmta.net/page/feature-archive.php?feature_id=49


But first, how is this revenue "created"? For the answer, look in the mirror. Every consumer, public agency, manufacturer and small business will be paying higher prices for electricity, natural gas, gasoline and other products to fill the coffers of cap-and-trade as designed by the California Air Resources Board.

This isn't what legislators intended when they voted for AB 32. The Air Resources Board has turned what could have been an effective and reasonable environmental program into an energy tax machine that will threaten the California economy for years to come. How we came to this dangerous point deserves a closer look.

 

[sandorski]

If all the people moved from High Cost areas to Low Cost Areas, all areas would become Samish Cost. Then people would move back to the areas they prefer...causing it all to be how it is now.

Not moving saves one 2 future moves, so why do it?

 

[xaeniac]

medical maryjane

 

[DucatiMonster696]

medical maryjane

The fed just shut down the largest medical marijuana disturbers in the state and has been targeting California with raids and legal action for a good while now.

 

[masteryoda34]

I just graduated with a BS EE and moved to Silicon Valley from the midwest. If you're an EE the job opportunities here are better than anywhere else in the world. Plus the weather is great and there is a lot more to do than most other places. Yeah the cost of living is higher, but for a young person such as myself the benefits outweigh the costs.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I just graduated with a BS EE and moved to Silicon Valley from the midwest. If you're an EE the job opportunities here are better than anywhere else in the world. Plus the weather is great and there is a lot more to do than most other places. Yeah the cost of living is higher, but for a young person such as myself the benefits outweigh the costs.

Ummm....BS EE can pretty much get you a job in any major city in the US even though the pay scale may vary greatly. Sure your chances are higher in Silicon Valley but you could of just as easily headed to Austin, Texas and gotten a job there IMHO.

 

[Steeplerot]

The fed just shut down the largest medical marijuana disturbers in the state and has been targeting California with raids and legal action for a good while now.

Nothing was shut down, they raided a spot in Oakland and took some highest quality weed back to DC with them out of the hands of cancer victims and such. They do this every so often. (when their stash runs dry it seems)
The place in question was back up within hours legally running per CA law.

If they really want some of our fine herb (who wouldn't?) they could ask.

But the feds dont roll that way. We all know this.

Sometimes I wonder if Bush Jr and the big O are doing bigass bong rips of the best stuff in the USA right now laughing at our foolish laws and the ignorant people who perpetuate them. (while Obama passes the pretzels)

 

[Throckmorton]

Ummm....BS EE can pretty much get you a job in any major city in the US even though the pay scale may vary greatly. Sure your chances are higher in Silicon Valley but you could of just as easily headed to Austin, Texas and gotten a job there IMHO.

The pay would be lower in Austin, so unless he prefers Austin there's no benefit to living there instead.

 

[Doppel]

I love how everyone here is trying to give the impression that anything not California is a middle of nowhere sh*thole with no jobs, nothing to do. I guess if you think this it is not a surprise you put up with 500k bungalows 60 minutes away from where you work.

 

[lotus503]

The thread about California encouraged me to start my own thread about a subject that I always wonder about (which you can also apply to New York City, Boston, Washington DC, and other high-cost of living, high-population density, often high-crime areas and states).

If you are not part of the wealthy or upper middle class, why do you choose to live in California (or New York City, etc.)? Why not relocate elsewhere where the cost of living, housing, population density, and crime are lower?

The weather is free, and it's a beautiful state. I did move north though because quality of life and cost.

 

[Steeplerot]

I love how everyone here is trying to give the impression that anything not California is a middle of nowhere sh*thole with no jobs, nothing to do. I guess if you think this it is not a surprise you put up with 500k bungalows 60 minutes away from where you work.

I love it when people from the middle of nowhere think they know CA.

I walk to work, just a few blocks through a bustling and diverse multicultural neighborhood with everything from around the world within a block or two walk. A farmers market with fresh fruits and veggies. Actually I don't even know anyone with a car, (here and in NYC) my rent is 1400 for a historic 3100 sq ft flat in the heart of the action in the city.

Factor in I have 0$ in transportation expenses, plus, our minimum wage is the highest in the USA. If I take up extra work here and there.

Houses here are generally Victorians about 3 stories tall. We don't do "bungalows". Whatever that means.

You maybe are thinking of the "red state" part of CA? Same is true of there too as the rest of the country. Broke, boring and lots of meth addicts watching foxnews in trailers with a big chip on their shoulder about how they know the "evil libural" America while sucking up resources provided by us terrible bad Socialists. Silly flatlanders.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The pay would be lower in Austin, so unless he prefers Austin there's no benefit to living there instead.

He's initial pay maybe lower but the cost of living in the Austin area would be moderately to significantly lower vs Silicon valley. Eventually with time though he would reach the same pay scale as he is seeing in CA and then the benefits of a lower cost of living would kick in big time.

However that being said you are right in that it would boils down to decision made on personal preference because his EE degree would allow that choice to be made when seeking a job in almost any major city across the US.

 

[lotus503]

He's initial pay maybe lower but the cost of living in the Austin area would be moderately to significantly lower vs Silicon valley. Eventually with time though he would reach the same pay scale as he is seeing in CA and then the benefits of a lower cost of living would kick in big time.

However that being said you are right in that it would boils down to decision made on personal preference because his EE degree would allow that choice to be made when seeking a job in almost any major city across the US.

The problem with Austin is that it's surrounded by the rest if Texas.

An oasis if you will.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I love it when people from the middle of nowhere think they know CA.

I walk to work, just a few blocks through a bustling and diverse multicultural neighborhood with everything from around the world within a block or two walk. A farmers market with fresh fruits and veggies. Actually I don't even know anyone with a car, (here and in NYC) my rent is 1400 for a historic 3100 sq ft flat in the heart of the action in the city.

Factor in I have 0$ in transportation expenses, our minimum wage is the highest in the USA.

Houses here are generally Victorians about 3 stories tall. We don't do "bungalows". Whatever that means.

$1400 ? Either you're full of bullshit or you are on of the very few people who benefit from rental control at other people's (new renters) expense.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Rental-competition-fierce-in-S-F-s-market-3543722.php

Oh those Victorians range close to or at a million dollars in price range. Unless it some beat down fixer upper and then you have to pay half a million for it.

 

[Steeplerot]

$1400 ? Either you're full of bullshit or you are on of the very few people who benefit from rental control at other people's (new renters) expense.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Rental-competition-fierce-in-S-F-s-market-3543722.php

Oh those Victorians range are starting close to or at a million dollars in price range, unless it some beat down fixer upper and then you have to pay half a million for it.

In the city its all about who you know. Of course you would get gouged, we have enough rejects from dumbfukistan already and a very finite amount of land since we live on a peninsula.

In defense of rent control, "new renters" are not a good thing for the economy. Transient neighbors who come when they are young then go home to the 'burbs when they breed screws up the economy faster then us getting a wal mart.

It takes some grit and adaptability to live in the city, it's not for everyone. I understand this although my rhetoric at times is strong.

Just get tired of the same lies repeated about here. People are people, regardless of where you are at. A shame many in more rural areas cannot learn this.

 

[IGBT]

In the city its all about who you know. Of course you would get gouged, we have enough rejects from dumbfukistan already and a very finite amount of land since we live on a peninsula.

rent control is a deterrent to new rental housing and encourages existing rental conversion to town houses/condos. You can play your rent control games..property owners will play theirs.

 

[davmat787]

http://www.cmta.net/page/press-releases.php?release_id=164

Sacramento, CA -- California families will be forced to pay $2,500 annually and lose $900 in earnings per year by 2020 as a result of the California Global Warming Solutions Act, according to a study released today. The costs to families will start to mount immediately in 2013. Losses to employers and the state's economy will be counted in the billions.

"These policies will create a large but hidden tax on families and will add new burdens to a fragile state economy" said Jack Stewart, president of the California Manufacturers and Technology Association (CMTA). "This new tax is not what we need while Californians struggle to find jobs, meet mortgage payments and maintain a reasonable quality of life."

I am not familiar with this Global Warming Solutions Act admittedly, but I wonder how many days of pollution that China will pump out to erase any positive impact that this act might deliver on? And Chinese pollution created to make cheap shit for us, or to power factories that make cheap shit for us.

 

[berzerker60]

I love how everyone here is trying to give the impression that anything not California is a middle of nowhere sh*thole with no jobs, nothing to do. I guess if you think this it is not a surprise you put up with 500k bungalows 60 minutes away from where you work.

He explicitly included NYC and other decent-sized, high-cost areas in the question, so it's not CA vs. everyone, it's CA (which by the way is 1/5 of all Americans) plus the other big metro centers. I assumed we were mostly contrasting that with fly-over country and the shittiest parts of the South. Anyway that's the fun stereotype to go to when we're throwing together wildly different areas into one category as if California is Rhode Island or something instead of the world's eighth largest economy.

Also I pay $850 including utilities a block away from work with a beautiful view of the Golden Gate from my window, live in a safe area, and it's bright sunny days without rain for literally months at a time here.

 

[davmat787]

Just get tired of the same lies repeated about here. People are people, regardless of where you are at. A shame many in more rural areas cannot learn this.

Lol, I can't recall someone from a rural area bashing big city folk, but I constantly read negative petty comments from people living in big cities making fun of flyover country and rural living. A prolific poster from NYC comes to mind, and a recently banned member from LA also. Could just be confirmation bias admittedly, I am not a big city type myself. I'll take my mountains and lakes any day, and its not like Seattle is very far if I need it. Which I rarely do, can't think of the last time I HAD to go to Seattle.

Why someone thinks you have to live among millions of other people and tons of pollution to have a quality lifestyle is beyond me.

You maybe are thinking of the "red state" part of CA? Same is true of there too as the rest of the country. Broke, boring and lots of meth addicts watching foxnews in trailers with a big chip on their shoulder about how they know the "evil libural" America while sucking up resources provided by us terrible bad Socialists. Silly flatlanders.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

In the city its all about who you know. Of course you would get gouged, we have enough rejects from dumbfukistan already and a very finite amount of land since we live on a peninsula.

So basically you support corruption and graft instead of allowing free market competition to establish a sane pricing mechanism for rents. Of which free market competition in regards to rental property and housing has been proven to be sure fire way to lower (or just stabilize) rents and increase the amount of housing which is in demand in a given area.

In defense of rent control, "new renters" are not a good thing for the economy. Transient neighbors who come when they are young then go home to the 'burbs when they breed screws up the economy faster then us getting a wal mart.

Bullshit.

Every real economist of almost every major school of economics from varying political spectrums have universally have looked at roundly agreed that "Rental Control" polices are one the most destructive acts city "leaders" can enact and impose upon their residents.

Furthermore rent control is an act which eventually benefits only a small few and as you so willing pointed out in many cases those who are "connected". In many instances this policy basically only benefits the very wealthy despite being sold to the "poor" and working class as a remedy for "high rents".

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Rent-control-sometimes-benefiting-the-rich-3638604.php

http://www.baycitizen.org/columns/scott-james/how-rent-control-subsidizes-super-rich/

 

[Steeplerot]

rent control is a deterrent to new rental housing and encourages existing rental conversion to town houses/condos. You can play your rent control games..property owners will play theirs.

Having a transient population with a small amount of actual land only encourages speculators ripping the economic heart from a city.

We know what works here. I guess wherever you are must be better off then our terrible socialist den . Oops, this is one of the biggest economies here IN THE WORLD.

Oh well, haters will hate. Another whinefest thread about how insecure you all are compared to CA.

I smell Texans, 10 pounds of bullshit in a 1 pound sack. Typical behavior of our fellow "lone star republic" comrades.

All I got to say to Texan haterism.....we got a Bear -you just got a star and a few bars. ha ha! (oh yeah, and a bunch of Mexicans kicked your ass, until the USA bailed you out) You shouldn't of even been a Republic.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Lol, I can't recall someone from a rural area bashing big city folk, but I constantly read negative petty comments from people living in big cities making fun of flyover country and rural living. A prolific poster from NYC comes to mind, and a recently banned member from LA also. Could just be confirmation bias admittedly, I am not a big city type myself. I'll take my mountains and lakes any day, and its not like Seattle is very far if I need it. Which I rarely do, can't think of the last time I HAD to go to Seattle.

Why someone thinks you have to live among millions of other people and tons of pollution to have a quality lifestyle is beyond me.

It's called being a elitist and snobby prick and these types often believe they know what the "TRUE" path is in life for everyone else. We have a lot of those in CA and especially SF sadly.