California wises up first - E-Votes Must Leave a Paper Trail

Bowfinger

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Thank God California has a clue about technology. They will require all new electronic voting machines to include printers, and all exisiting machinces to be retrofitted with printers. It's nice to see one state is smart enough to recogzine the importance of honest elections.

From Wired:
E-Votes Must Leave a Paper Trail

SAN FRANCISCO -- California will become the first state requiring all electronic voting machines produce a voter-verifiable paper receipt.

The requirement, announced Friday by California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, applies to all electronic voting systems already in use as well as those currently being purchased. The machines must be retrofitted with printers to produce a receipt by 2006.


With a receipt, voters will be able to verify that their ballots have been properly cast. However, they will not be allowed to keep the receipts, which will be stored at voting precincts and used for a recount if any voting irregularities arise.

Beginning July 1, 2005, counties will not be able to purchase any machine that does not produce a paper trail. As of July 2006, all machines, no matter when they were purchased, must offer a voter-verifiable paper audit trail. This means machines currently in use by four counties in the state will have to be fitted with new printers to meet the requirement.

"The schedule I have set forth for implementing a VVPAT (Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail) will ensure that there is adequate time for new voting systems to be properly certified," Shelley said in a statement released by his office Friday afternoon. "This also allows time to train elections officials and poll workers and to educate voters."

The statement continued, "As the state progresses with new technology, all Californians must have confidence that every vote cast is a vote counted. These new requirements will provide this confidence."

The announcement follows the creation of a task force Shelley convened in February to discuss growing concerns about the security of electronic voting machines.

The task force was composed of election officials, computer experts, members of the general public and representatives of the disabled community. The task force was divided between two factions: a vocal contingent that opposed a paper trail and a minority of computer and voting experts who supported the requirement.

Proponents of a paper trail say the California decision is likely to influence other states that have been undecided about whether to require voter receipts.

Kim Alexander, president of the California Voter Foundation and a member of Shelley's task force, predicted other states would follow California's lead.

"I suspect there are many election officials across the country who have been watching this debate this year and waiting to see how things shake out," she said. "Shelley's actions will give them more room to stand up for what they believe in, and what I think most people believe in, which is the need for more transparent voting systems."

Alexander said California will be the first state to require a voter paper trail for existing computerized voting machines.

"There are a handful of states that have passed statutes or certification rules that prohibit the acquisition of paperless computerized voting machines in the future," she said. "But no state that already has computerized voting machines has implemented a paper audit trail requirement."

According to the California Voter Foundation, 21 percent of the ballots cast nationwide in 2002 were on paperless electronic voting machines. That's double the amount in 2000. California currently has four counties using paperless electronic voting machines. That number is expected to increase to 10 in time for the March primary.

Warren Slocum, elections chief for San Mateo County, called the announcement an "historic moment" and said he knew of at least six counties in the state that support the call for a paper trail.

"Election integrity is absolutely a fundamental requirement of our democracy," he said. "And this is one step toward strengthening that and giving voters confidence that their vote was handled by the computer in the way they wanted it to be handled."

In response to remarks made by other state election officials that a paper receipt would increase county costs, Slocum replied, "Democracy ain't cheap. It's true we have a fiscal crisis and it's going to cost money, but what is the cost of blowing an election? What's the cost to the community to have a candidate who believes they lost an election because they believe the computer didn't count the votes correctly?"

Alfie Charles, a vice president of Sequoia Voting Systems, whose Edge touch-screen voting machines are currently used in Riverside County in Southern California, said the added printing capability would probably cost $500 per machine, since it would have to be custom manufactured. The Edge currently lists at $3,195.

However, Charles said the price should come down as demand for the component increases.

Avante International Technology was the first e-vote vendor to offer a verifiable paper trail with its Vote-Trakker machine.

Charles said that Sequoia has also produced a voter-verifiable hardware and software component for its machines that it plans to submit for federal certification in early 2004. He expects the component will be on the market by next summer.

Opponents of a voter receipt have long argued that it would complicate the voting process by forcing poll workers to fix paper jams and change paper rolls in the middle of an election.

However, Charles said the printing component designed for the Edge uses a roll of paper that scrolls behind a glass partition. Voters do not get to touch the receipt, but can view it to verify their votes. The fact that the machine does not cut individual receipts for voters, he said, saves paper.

He also said that one roll of paper should be able to record the votes of up to 200 voters. Sequoia generally recommends voting precincts use one machine for every 150 to 170 voters. Since most precincts in California use five machines, the paper on them would accommodate up to 1,000 voters.

If a machine runs out of paper, he said, Sequoia would recommend that poll workers remove the entire printer component and replace it with a new one so that workers do not need to touch the receipt roll.

"This helps minimize the amount of paper handling that occurs and protects the integrity of the ballots and the election," Charles said.

In addition to the voter receipt, Secretary of State Shelley called for the creation of a technical oversight committee as well as additional requirements for software testing and auditing and new security protocols for manufacturers. He also called for random field testing on election days to ensure that voting machines are functioning properly.

Stanford computer science professor David Dill, who also served on Shelley's voting task force, said California's forward-thinking move should reverberate throughout the nation. "There's going to be a tidal wave emanating from California and heading east. California is historically a leader, especially when it comes to technology issues.

"This breaks the vicious circle where the vendors say they're not producing printers because they say there's no demand for them," he added. "Now vendors are going to be required to produce these machines and everybody else (in other states) will be able to buy them, too."
Three cheers for CA. I hope this leads other states to acknowledge their current closed, unverifiable electronic voting systems are unacceptable.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Thank God California has a clue about technology. They will require all new electronic voting machines to include printers, and all exisiting machinces to be retrofitted with printers. It's nice to see one state is smart enough to recogzine the importance of honest elections.

From Wired:
E-Votes Must Leave a Paper Trail

SAN FRANCISCO -- California will become the first state requiring all electronic voting machines produce a voter-verifiable paper receipt.

The requirement, announced Friday by California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, applies to all electronic voting systems already in use as well as those currently being purchased. The machines must be retrofitted with printers to produce a receipt by 2006.


With a receipt, voters will be able to verify that their ballots have been properly cast. However, they will not be allowed to keep the receipts, which will be stored at voting precincts and used for a recount if any voting irregularities arise.

Beginning July 1, 2005, counties will not be able to purchase any machine that does not produce a paper trail. As of July 2006, all machines, no matter when they were purchased, must offer a voter-verifiable paper audit trail. This means machines currently in use by four counties in the state will have to be fitted with new printers to meet the requirement.

"The schedule I have set forth for implementing a VVPAT (Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail) will ensure that there is adequate time for new voting systems to be properly certified," Shelley said in a statement released by his office Friday afternoon. "This also allows time to train elections officials and poll workers and to educate voters."

The statement continued, "As the state progresses with new technology, all Californians must have confidence that every vote cast is a vote counted. These new requirements will provide this confidence."

The announcement follows the creation of a task force Shelley convened in February to discuss growing concerns about the security of electronic voting machines.

The task force was composed of election officials, computer experts, members of the general public and representatives of the disabled community. The task force was divided between two factions: a vocal contingent that opposed a paper trail and a minority of computer and voting experts who supported the requirement.

Proponents of a paper trail say the California decision is likely to influence other states that have been undecided about whether to require voter receipts.

Kim Alexander, president of the California Voter Foundation and a member of Shelley's task force, predicted other states would follow California's lead.

"I suspect there are many election officials across the country who have been watching this debate this year and waiting to see how things shake out," she said. "Shelley's actions will give them more room to stand up for what they believe in, and what I think most people believe in, which is the need for more transparent voting systems."

Alexander said California will be the first state to require a voter paper trail for existing computerized voting machines.

"There are a handful of states that have passed statutes or certification rules that prohibit the acquisition of paperless computerized voting machines in the future," she said. "But no state that already has computerized voting machines has implemented a paper audit trail requirement."

According to the California Voter Foundation, 21 percent of the ballots cast nationwide in 2002 were on paperless electronic voting machines. That's double the amount in 2000. California currently has four counties using paperless electronic voting machines. That number is expected to increase to 10 in time for the March primary.

Warren Slocum, elections chief for San Mateo County, called the announcement an "historic moment" and said he knew of at least six counties in the state that support the call for a paper trail.

"Election integrity is absolutely a fundamental requirement of our democracy," he said. "And this is one step toward strengthening that and giving voters confidence that their vote was handled by the computer in the way they wanted it to be handled."

In response to remarks made by other state election officials that a paper receipt would increase county costs, Slocum replied, "Democracy ain't cheap. It's true we have a fiscal crisis and it's going to cost money, but what is the cost of blowing an election? What's the cost to the community to have a candidate who believes they lost an election because they believe the computer didn't count the votes correctly?"

Alfie Charles, a vice president of Sequoia Voting Systems, whose Edge touch-screen voting machines are currently used in Riverside County in Southern California, said the added printing capability would probably cost $500 per machine, since it would have to be custom manufactured. The Edge currently lists at $3,195.

However, Charles said the price should come down as demand for the component increases.

Avante International Technology was the first e-vote vendor to offer a verifiable paper trail with its Vote-Trakker machine.

Charles said that Sequoia has also produced a voter-verifiable hardware and software component for its machines that it plans to submit for federal certification in early 2004. He expects the component will be on the market by next summer.

Opponents of a voter receipt have long argued that it would complicate the voting process by forcing poll workers to fix paper jams and change paper rolls in the middle of an election.

However, Charles said the printing component designed for the Edge uses a roll of paper that scrolls behind a glass partition. Voters do not get to touch the receipt, but can view it to verify their votes. The fact that the machine does not cut individual receipts for voters, he said, saves paper.

He also said that one roll of paper should be able to record the votes of up to 200 voters. Sequoia generally recommends voting precincts use one machine for every 150 to 170 voters. Since most precincts in California use five machines, the paper on them would accommodate up to 1,000 voters.

If a machine runs out of paper, he said, Sequoia would recommend that poll workers remove the entire printer component and replace it with a new one so that workers do not need to touch the receipt roll.

"This helps minimize the amount of paper handling that occurs and protects the integrity of the ballots and the election," Charles said.

In addition to the voter receipt, Secretary of State Shelley called for the creation of a technical oversight committee as well as additional requirements for software testing and auditing and new security protocols for manufacturers. He also called for random field testing on election days to ensure that voting machines are functioning properly.

Stanford computer science professor David Dill, who also served on Shelley's voting task force, said California's forward-thinking move should reverberate throughout the nation. "There's going to be a tidal wave emanating from California and heading east. California is historically a leader, especially when it comes to technology issues.

"This breaks the vicious circle where the vendors say they're not producing printers because they say there's no demand for them," he added. "Now vendors are going to be required to produce these machines and everybody else (in other states) will be able to buy them, too."
Three cheers for CA. I hope this leads other states to acknowledge their current closed, unverifiable electronic voting systems are unacceptable.

dont start cheering for them yet, theyre still far too liberal
 

HappyPuppy

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The potential for abuse in electronic voting has always concerned me. This is a step in the right direction, but I still wonder about the possibility of data manipulation downstream.
 

CADsortaGUY

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This not really about "fair" elections(as some here are trying to make it) - this is about "accurate" and "verifiable" elections. I can't wait for all the whining and crying that'll go on next fall when Bush wins. Heck it has started already - people positioning their arguments for "rigged" elections.

It's good to see that they are trying to do something about it though. I don't see why courts/legislatures haven't forced this from the beginning though - they are the ones at fault for these machines - not some right-wing conspiracy
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CkG
 

charrison

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Just wait till someone loses a box of paper trail ballots and the paper and electronics results dont match.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Genesys



dont start cheering for them yet, theyre still far too liberal
Yeah that's why 3 out of the last 4 Governors of California have been Republicans
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Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
This not really about "fair" elections (as some here are trying to make it) . . .
Really? Who? Where?


. . . - this is about "accurate" and "verifiable" elections. I can't wait for all the whining and crying that'll go on next fall when Bush wins. Heck it has started already - people positioning their arguments for "rigged" elections.

It's good to see that they are trying to do something about it though. I don't see why courts/legislatures haven't forced this from the beginning though - they are the ones at fault for these machines - not some right-wing conspiracy
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CkG
Oh, never mind. It's just another knee-jerk attack on the left.

Cad, instead of rolling your eyes all the time, you should try opening them. I've said from the beginning this is an issue that should concern all Americans, and that there is as much threat from external sources, e.g., al Qaida, as there is from internal political tampering. It is not a partisan issue. We should all want open, honest, and verifiable elections.

Give it a rest already.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
This not really about "fair" elections(as some here are trying to make it) - this is about "accurate" and "verifiable" elections. I can't wait for all the whining and crying that'll go on next fall when Bush wins. Heck it has started already - people positioning their arguments for "rigged" elections.

It's good to see that they are trying to do something about it though. I don't see why courts/legislatures haven't forced this from the beginning though - they are the ones at fault for these machines - not some right-wing conspiracy
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CkG
Hell if the Dems had one decent candidate we wouldn't have to worry about it. It's pretty bad when the Dub is the best choice!

 

Jhhnn

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Well, CAD, any election that's "fair" is also "accurate" and "verifiable" by definition.

The shortcomings of electronic voting are entirely obvious, and have been the subject of much justifiable online scrutiny, particularly considering the affiliation of the owners of voting machine companies, not to mention a history of graft and incompetence...

So, yeh, paper trails are a good thing, too bad we won't have them prior to 2004.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
This not really about "fair" elections (as some here are trying to make it) . . .
Really? Who? Where?


. . . - this is about "accurate" and "verifiable" elections. I can't wait for all the whining and crying that'll go on next fall when Bush wins. Heck it has started already - people positioning their arguments for "rigged" elections.

It's good to see that they are trying to do something about it though. I don't see why courts/legislatures haven't forced this from the beginning though - they are the ones at fault for these machines - not some right-wing conspiracy
rolleye.gif
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CkG
Oh, never mind. It's just another knee-jerk attack on the left.

Cad, instead of rolling your eyes all the time, you should try opening them. I've said from the beginning this is an issue that should concern all Americans, and that there is as much threat from external sources, e.g., al Qaida, as there is from internal political tampering. It is not a partisan issue. We should all want open, honest, and verifiable elections.

Give it a rest already.

Feeling guilty Bow?;) If you'd open YOUR eyes, you'd see I've repeatedly stated my position that paper trails were needed...but yeah we'll just forget that little detail. And yes there have been people here that are setting up their positions to cry about some right-wing take over - or are you really that naive?
See - Jhhnn just implied such "conspiracy" with his "affiliation" comment.;)

This isn't about fairness - the printout is about having a way to count votes if the machines screw up(accountability and verification).

CkG
 

Zebo

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Pen and paper secured witnessed chain of custody and counts by reps from both parties is only way, everything else is subject to hacking.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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I'm sure that the vast majority of Republicans want honest elections, too, and that they want to avoid even the slightest hint of impropriety. Unfortunately, the words of Diebold's chief exec have already sullied that intention, hence my comment about affiliation. It doesn't require a conspiracy to swing the electronic votes one way or another in a tight race, just one guy at a keyboard who knows how the system operates.

I do believe, however, that properly implemented electronic systems can actually reduce inconsistencies and fraud. Properly implemented being the catch, of course. The stuff we're buying ain't it, unfortunately.
 

abaez

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Let's hope they make sure that the hard drives aren't set to master and slave in their voting machines.