California to ban hunting over Internet

[slpaulson]

Originally posted by: jagec
first I've heard of it..what, do they have guns set up with full servo control and cameras, accessible over the internet?

yup
I saw it on tv once.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Texas has this too, but I don't think we've banned it. Virtually everyone is opposed to it.

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I thought Texas already banned this, but looks like the bill is still making the rounds....

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Citrix

I had no idea this was even possible. Kinda takes away from the spirit of hunting doesnt it?

The spirit of hunting? Oh, you mean the one where you wait in the woods for a deer to come along and shoot it in the head. Yeah, hell of a sport you got there.

 

[EyeMWing]

Okay, hunting over the internet... I can see why banning that would be okay. But wording it as "prohibit use of computer-assisted hunting sites" is deadly close to "computer-assisted hunting RIFLES"; and any a lot of mobility impaired hunters out there rely on stuff like that to prang the critters. The Internet is legally ambiguous, it's terminology can be used to describe loosely any communication protocol at all, including the relationship between a controller and a computer assisted gun.

 

[jjones]

I fail to understand why anyone would view hunting via remote camera over the internet is wrong. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that a remote hunter might just wound an animal and then cannot track it down to finish the kill, and also that the dead animal is just left in the field to rot. If the hunting sites have addressed issues such as that, then what could possibly be wrong with it? It makes a difference if I sit in a deer stand or if a camera does it for me?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: jjones
I fail to understand why anyone would view hunting via remote camera over the internet is wrong. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that a remote hunter might just wound an animal and then cannot track it down to finish the kill, and also that the dead animal is just left in the field to rot. If the hunting sites have addressed issues such as that, then what could possibly be wrong with it? It makes a difference if I sit in a deer stand or if a camera does it for me?

There really isn't much of an issue with it, and I'm sure the sites running this would be legally obligated to retreive and euthanize the deer if it suffered a non-fatal wound.

This is still an example of where government has no reason, and no right to stick it's hands in.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: jjones
I fail to understand why anyone would view hunting via remote camera over the internet is wrong. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that a remote hunter might just wound an animal and then cannot track it down to finish the kill, and also that the dead animal is just left in the field to rot. If the hunting sites have addressed issues such as that, then what could possibly be wrong with it? It makes a difference if I sit in a deer stand or if a camera does it for me?

You want to give a bunch of counter strike rejects control over a real gun with the anonymity of the internet?
Because they are the ones I can see getting into this.
:frown:😕

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: jjones
I fail to understand why anyone would view hunting via remote camera over the internet is wrong. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that a remote hunter might just wound an animal and then cannot track it down to finish the kill, and also that the dead animal is just left in the field to rot. If the hunting sites have addressed issues such as that, then what could possibly be wrong with it? It makes a difference if I sit in a deer stand or if a camera does it for me?

You want to give a bunch of counter strike rejects control over a real gun with the anonymity of the internet?
Because they are the ones I can see getting into this.
:frown:😕

Anonymity?

I would imagine that a valid CC# and Drivers License, amongst other things, are required to use these types of services online.

The only difference would be getting a permit and going hunting in a local forest.

 

[cavemanmoron]

wacky game if you ask me.
go hunt in person!

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: jjones
I fail to understand why anyone would view hunting via remote camera over the internet is wrong. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that a remote hunter might just wound an animal and then cannot track it down to finish the kill, and also that the dead animal is just left in the field to rot. If the hunting sites have addressed issues such as that, then what could possibly be wrong with it? It makes a difference if I sit in a deer stand or if a camera does it for me?

You want to give a bunch of counter strike rejects control over a real gun with the anonymity of the internet?
Because they are the ones I can see getting into this.
:frown:😕

Anonymity?

I would imagine that a valid CC# and Drivers License, amongst other things, are required to use these types of services online.

The only difference would be getting a permit and going hunting in a local forest.

Still people have a lot less self control behind a keyboard.

Just take a look at the debates/arguments in these forums!

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: jjones
I fail to understand why anyone would view hunting via remote camera over the internet is wrong. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that a remote hunter might just wound an animal and then cannot track it down to finish the kill, and also that the dead animal is just left in the field to rot. If the hunting sites have addressed issues such as that, then what could possibly be wrong with it? It makes a difference if I sit in a deer stand or if a camera does it for me?

You want to give a bunch of counter strike rejects control over a real gun with the anonymity of the internet?
Because they are the ones I can see getting into this.
:frown:😕

Anonymity?

I would imagine that a valid CC# and Drivers License, amongst other things, are required to use these types of services online.

The only difference would be getting a permit and going hunting in a local forest.

Still people have a lot less self control behind a keyboard.

Just take a look at the debates/arguments in these forums!

Lot less self control?

It's not like you're hunting with an automatic rifle here. Most likely you'll be hunting with a restricted semi-automatic weapon, or a bolt action weapon. Which != shooting spree.

You need to lay off the FPS and try getting some real life experiences with weapons.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: jjones
I fail to understand why anyone would view hunting via remote camera over the internet is wrong. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that a remote hunter might just wound an animal and then cannot track it down to finish the kill, and also that the dead animal is just left in the field to rot. If the hunting sites have addressed issues such as that, then what could possibly be wrong with it? It makes a difference if I sit in a deer stand or if a camera does it for me?

You want to give a bunch of counter strike rejects control over a real gun with the anonymity of the internet?
Because they are the ones I can see getting into this.
:frown:😕

Anonymity?

I would imagine that a valid CC# and Drivers License, amongst other things, are required to use these types of services online.

The only difference would be getting a permit and going hunting in a local forest.

Still people have a lot less self control behind a keyboard.

Just take a look at the debates/arguments in these forums!

Lot less self control?

It's not like you're hunting with an automatic rifle here. Most likely you'll be hunting with a restricted semi-automatic weapon, or a bolt action weapon. Which != shooting spree.

You need to lay off the FPS and try getting some real life experiences with weapons.

I dont play FPS and dont particularly want to shoot things in general.
The type of weapon is pretty irrelevent.

You ARE going to have people trying to shoot legs from deer or other dodgy things.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

I dont play FPS and dont particularly want to shoot things in general.
The type of weapon is pretty irrelevent.

You ARE going to have people trying to shoot legs from deer or other dodgy things.

Do you realize how hard it is going to be to control the weapon over the internet to hit a deer's leg?

Most hunters don't have have a level of accuracy beyond hitting critical mass (the torso of the dear). They will usually not be able to accurately hit the leg if they decide to.

If someone tries to aim for a leg over the internet, they will NOT hit their target. In the odd chance they do, the animal would more than likely be put down after being wounded.

You really don't know much at all about hunting, or accuracy for that matter, do you?

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

I dont play FPS and dont particularly want to shoot things in general.
The type of weapon is pretty irrelevent.

You ARE going to have people trying to shoot legs from deer or other dodgy things.

Do you realize how hard it is going to be to control the weapon over the internet to hit a deer's leg?

Most hunters don't have have a level of accuracy beyond hitting critical mass (the torso of the dear).

If someone tries to aim for a leg over the internet, they will NOT hit their target. In the odd chance they do, the animal would more than likely be put down after being wounded.

So your basically saying the deer are just targets to be cleared away afterwards?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

I dont play FPS and dont particularly want to shoot things in general.
The type of weapon is pretty irrelevent.

You ARE going to have people trying to shoot legs from deer or other dodgy things.

Do you realize how hard it is going to be to control the weapon over the internet to hit a deer's leg?

Most hunters don't have have a level of accuracy beyond hitting critical mass (the torso of the dear).

If someone tries to aim for a leg over the internet, they will NOT hit their target. In the odd chance they do, the animal would more than likely be put down after being wounded.

So your basically saying the deer are just targets to be cleared away afterwards?

Depends on how the business wants things setup.

Do you know what hunting for sport is? Something that is not illegal, although something I don't agree with. People do it in real life, and theres really not much difference between doing it over the internet, assuming the place properly disposes of the deer.

If people wanted to hunt over the internet and keep the meat, the business (in the even this bill doesnt pass) would be able to send the meat to the "hunter."

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

I dont play FPS and dont particularly want to shoot things in general.
The type of weapon is pretty irrelevent.

You ARE going to have people trying to shoot legs from deer or other dodgy things.

Do you realize how hard it is going to be to control the weapon over the internet to hit a deer's leg?

Most hunters don't have have a level of accuracy beyond hitting critical mass (the torso of the dear).

If someone tries to aim for a leg over the internet, they will NOT hit their target. In the odd chance they do, the animal would more than likely be put down after being wounded.

So your basically saying the deer are just targets to be cleared away afterwards?

Depends on how the business wants things setup.

Do you know what hunting for sport is? Something that is not illegal, although something I don't agree with.

If people wanted to hunt over the internet and keep the meat, the business (in the even this bill doesnt pass) would be able to send the meat to the "hunter."

I definatly dont have a problem with hunting for food.
I dont have a problem with hunting for sport.

But sticking a load of deer in a pen and letting people blaze away with inaccurate weapons without even leaving thier homes is NOT hunting.

Would you agree with someone keeping a deer in their yard and charging the local kids to chuck rocks at it?

Lines have to be drawn somewhere.

 

[aplefka]

This was on the news like two weeks ago. Actually, maybe longer. It was the first day I got my tv tuner and I remember watching Nugent talk about it on MSNBC. First time I had ever seen him. There was also a similar thread the next day.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

I definatly dont have a problem with hunting for food.
I dont have a problem with hunting for sport.

But sticking a load of deer in a pen and letting people blaze away with inaccurate weapons without even leaving thier homes is NOT hunting.

Would you agree with someone keeping a deer in their yard and charging the local kids to chuck rocks at it?

Lines have to be drawn somewhere.

It's probably not like theres a bunch of deer just sitting around in a pen with you taking pot-shots at them.

And keeping deer in a yard and having kids chuck rocks at them is much different than using a rifle to "hunt" deer in an seemingly enclosed area designed to simulate hunting.

Once again, I really don't care if people do this or not. But there's no reason the government should be proposing legislation to outlaw this.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

I definatly dont have a problem with hunting for food.
I dont have a problem with hunting for sport.

But sticking a load of deer in a pen and letting people blaze away with inaccurate weapons without even leaving thier homes is NOT hunting.

Would you agree with someone keeping a deer in their yard and charging the local kids to chuck rocks at it?

Lines have to be drawn somewhere.

It's probably not like theres a bunch of deer just sitting around in a pen with you taking pot-shots at them.

And keeping deer in a yard and having kids chuck rocks at them is much different than using a rifle to "hunt" deer in an seemingly enclosed area designed to simulate hunting.

Once again, I really don't care if people do this or not. But there's no reason the government should be proposing legislation to outlaw this.

I think it would be a bunch of deer in a pen, I cant see how it would work otherwise.

Keeping deer in a pen and charging people to fire wildly innaccurate shots at them isnt so far removed from my example and everyone would agree that the kids/rocks thing would be wrong.

If the government dosnt legislat against it who should?

 

[djheater]

Link to informative article about the guy who wants to have the farm.

 

[BillyBatson]

yeah i saw this on tv i forgot what show but they were making fun of it, probably the Daily Show. They set up rifles that people can control throught he net via controls and webcama nd then fire

 

[Landroval]

If you are manly enough and have reason to kill something just do it with your bare hands! 😛

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: KLin
Well there goes my weekend fun.

Yeah. We never get to have any fun. 🙁

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: djheater
Link to informative article about the guy who wants to have the farm.

The opposition to this is preposterous...

As though there's any great difference between taking a modern high powered rifle and killing an animal and doing the same thing via the internet.

If anything doing it over the net with the implied lag is MORE difficult than simply doing it yourself (granted the servo has a steadier hand).

Maybe if it were bow vs. rifle I could see the problem, but come on... we invented fvcking gun poweder, realistcally the animals don't stand much of a chance.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so they don't give a legitimate reason for the ban?

...saying hunting over the Internet is unethical and unsporting.

is a bit vague

I'd just like to know why the government is trying to regulate what is "sporting"...