California school can ban US flag.

[Matt1970]

This thread is a perfect example of why conservatives are often called racists. You have a bunch of conservatives in here defending people for not only being racist but for trying to turn the American flag into a racist symbol. So instead of getting mad at some teenagers for trying to make the American flag racist (which any true patriot should find offensive). You have people defending these kids massive insult to the flag. That would be like a Hindu defending the Nazis use of the swastika. It's just utterly insane behavior.

Not wanting to cater to people who get offended by an American flag on American soil is...............wait for it...................not racist. Also, if you are somehow offended by the flag I very well just might wear it more often. That also is not racist, that is just mocking your stupidity.

 

[MrPickins]

A damned good question, actually.

Very few people ever bother to ask it, these days.

I don't see Japan and South Korea really suffering from their lack of cultural and racial diversity. Do you? Some of the most desirable places to live on the planet, with the lowest crime, highest happiness index, most productive economies and best reputations for producing quality products - are also some of the most homogeneous. Including Scandinavian countries, and the aforementioned Asian countries. Can you tell me how those nations are suffering from their lack of diversity?

And do you honestly believe that a monoracial society, or one with an overwhelming 90+% majority group is some sort of Borg collective, soulless cultural wasteland of blandness? C'mon.

Diversity of skill sets and expertise is certainly crucial in many endeavors, but I would love to hear you articulate why "diversity" as you mean it, and as the word is widely used today, is such a great thing. All you need to do is look at the news from any country on the planet with diversity (including the article this thread is about) to see the problems it causes.

You know what causes conflict in multicultural societies? The people who can't embrace diversity (you know, like the kids antagonizing the people celebrating a holiday).

As for why diversity is a good thing, I am of the opinion that the human race is at it's best when we come together to use our differences to our advantage.

See: the Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, India's thousands of years of culture, America...


Your vision for an ideal society sounds a lot like the Nazi's.

 

[MrPickins]

Not wanting to cater to people who get offended by an American flag on American soil is...............wait for it...................not racist. Also, if you are somehow offended by the flag I very well just might wear it more often. That also is not racist, that is just mocking your stupidity.

When it is used to antagonize a race of people, yes it is racist. You can keep saying it's not, but it's clear what the intentions of these kids were.

 

[Matt1970]

When it is used to antagonize a race of people, yes it is racist. You can keep saying it's not, but it's clear what the intentions of these kids were.

Why are those people antagonized by the American flag? Why does it enrage them to see the flag of the country they live in on a holiday Americans also celebrate?

 

[michal1980]

When it is used to antagonize a race of people, yes it is racist. You can keep saying it's not, but it's clear what the intentions of these kids were.

There you have it folks. The fucked up mind of liberals.

The America flag being displayed in America is now racist.


Do you on the left realize how fucked up you sound?

 

[MrPickins]

You are talking about a resort built and funded by turista American dollars. Run by American corporations, so duh, your beloved patriot ass was protected. Had you stepped just a few blocks off the compound, and attempted to celebrate Americas' independence you would no doubt, suffer a beat down, and perhaps rightfully so, for it is not your country.

Funny that half of the people at the (locally owned) resort were Venezuelan. Again nobody got offended.

Just like poeple in the US don't get all offended by St. Patricks day.

Gringos who step out of bounds here in the southwest of America, (Aztlan) should expect the same beat down, AND for the same reason.

wat

 

[MrPickins]

There you have it folks. The fucked up mind of liberals.

The America flag being displayed in America is now racist.


Do you on the left realize how fucked up you sound?

I'm not a liberal, and do you realize how fucked up you sound defending people using the symbol of our nation to push an agenda of hate and xenophobia?

Why are those people antagonized by the American flag? Why does it enrage them to see the flag of the country they live in on a holiday Americans also celebrate?

Maybe it has something to do with the pro-usa rally that "spontaneously" appeared at the Cinco de Mayo celebration.

You guys really think that the kids aren't being racist/xenopophobic?

 

[Stewox]

When it is used to antagonize a race of people, yes it is racist. You can keep saying it's not, but it's clear what the intentions of these kids were.

You're also probably still an obama supporter, still hoping for lower health care costs. How do you know the full details of the intentions of those kids anyway.

My post on the previous page sums it up, there's no more debate needed, the court's decision is unconstitutional and therefore null & void. If the intentions of the kids were to humiliate the mexican holiday with the weird use of a US flag, that does not make the flag it self racist, dumbo.

 

[MrPickins]

You're also probably still an obama supporter, still hoping for free health care. How do you know the full details of the intentions of those kids anyway.

You go ahead and keep making up things about me. Both assumptions are wrong, but don't let that stop you.

As for how I know what those kids' intentions were, I used critical thought (something partisans seem to disregard):

Which is more logical:

1. The group of white kids spontaneously decided to have a pro-America rally that just happened to be on Cinco de Mayo, and very near a group celebrating that holiday
2. The group of white kids were intentionally antagonizing the group of kids celebrating both an American holiday and their heritage

My post on the previous page sums it up, there's no more debate needed, the court's decision is unconstitutional and therefore null & void. If the intentions of the kids were to humiliate the mexican holiday with the weird use of a US flag, that does not make the flag it self racist, dumbo.

Did you seriously just call me "dumbo"? :biggrin:

Maybe you should reread the thread.

The courts have already determined that schools have the right to restrict free speech by enforcing dress codes.

This is primarily an American holiday, which makes it all the more stupid of these kids to be rallying against it.

 

[Stewox]

You go ahead and keep making up things about me. Both assumptions are wrong, but don't let that stop you.

As for how I know what those kids' intentions were, I used critical thought (something partisans seem to disregard):

I used critical thought and made up my worst assumptions about you. So how don't you like that to you, but you are just fine making that to others ?

 

[Matt1970]

Maybe it has something to do with the pro-usa rally that "spontaneously" appeared at the Cinco de Mayo celebration.

A pro-usa rally spontaneously appeared at a Cinco de Mayo celebration the Live Oak High School was having?

 

[MrPickins]

I used critical thought and made up my worst assumptions about you. So how don't you like that to you, but you are just fine making that to others ?

Throwing darts at a wall is not using critical thought.

 

[Matt1970]

This is primarily an American holiday, which makes it all the more stupid of these kids to be upset at the sight of an American Flag.

FTFY

 

[MrPickins]

FTFY

The flag was being used to antagonize the students for celebrating their culture. They had the right to be offended.

And any true American should be offended that the symbol of our nation and values is being used to antagonize US citizens of a certain ethnic background.

This is absolutely no different than the KKK waving the American flag and proclaiming this a white nation. And we should be equally offended.

 

[Stewox]

The courts have already determined that schools have the right to restrict free speech by enforcing dress codes.

Unconstitutional - null & void. Do you need a translation to understand this ?


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This is primarily an American holiday, which makes it all the more stupid of these kids to be rallying against it.

Nobody's arguing about that, that's a separate issue. Speaking of them, it doesn't make them racist if it's only a clash of cultures. And what's with the "white" thing, why is that even a parameter of this debate at all, it's all dramaticized by the media ofcourse.

Speaking of the flag, it doesn't make the flag racist, it's their inappropriate use, or misuse, they cannot make the flag racist just by being stupid enough to hijack it an use it for their own ideas.

Throwing darts at a wall is not using critical thought.

I used your version of the "critical thought"

 

[Matt1970]

The flag was being used to antagonize the students for celebrating their culture. They had the right to be offended.

And any true American should be offended that the symbol of our nation and values is being used to antagonize US citizens of a certain ethnic background.

This is absolutely no different than the KKK waving the American flag and proclaiming this a white nation. And we should be equally offended.

You really are missing the big picture here. If a display of the American flag on American soil regardless of what day it is enrages you, even in the slightest, the problem is yours.

 

[MrPickins]

Unconstitutional - null & void. Do you need a translation to understand this ?


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The Supreme Court determines constitutionality, not you.

Nobody's arguing about that, that's a separate issue. Speaking of them, it doesn't make them racist if it's only a clash of cultures. And what's with the "white" thing, why is that even a parameter of this debate at all, it's all dramaticized by the media ofcourse.

Speaking of the flag, it doesn't make the flag racist, it's their inappropriate use, or misuse, they cannot make the flag racist just by being stupid enough to hijack it an use it for their own ideas.

Nobody said the flag itself was racist. Only that these students were hijacking the flag to use it for their own (racist and separatist) ideas.

I'm glad that we can agree that the use was inappropriate, though.

 

[MrPickins]

You really are missing the big picture here. If a display of the American flag on American soil regardless of what day it is enrages you, even in the slightest, the problem is yours.

Symbols are just symbols. What matters is the meaning and intent behind them.

If you can't understand that, then you're not thinking logically, and I'm done discussing it with you.




(For all the intelligent posters out there, yes, I know who I'm talking to... :sneaky🙂

 

[thraashman]

Speaking of the flag, it doesn't make the flag racist, it's their inappropriate use, or misuse, they cannot make the flag racist just by being stupid enough to hijack it an use it for their own ideas.

They cannot make it racist, but anyone who considers themselves American should be massively offended that they tried. The Nazis took a symbol of prosperity and luck and turned it into what is in most of the world now considered an offensive symbol. So I sure as fuck won't defend little racist shits who try to do the same thing to the flag of my country.

You really are missing the big picture here. If a display of the American flag on American soil regardless of what day it is enrages you, even in the slightest, the problem is yours.

Imagine if it had been Yom Kippur and a student had come to school wearing a swastika on his shirt. Afterall, it's a symbol of prosperity in Hinduism, who cares that the Nazis used it and they killed millions of Jews, that doesn't matter. Why should any Jewish person get offended is what you're saying? Because it's the symbol that matters not the intent it's being used for by a racist individual.

You're the one who's missing the big picture here. Is the display of the American flag offensive? No. Is it offensive when a bunch of racist kids use the American flag as the symbol to represent their racism? Fuck yes.

 

[Matt1970]

Imagine if it had been Yom Kippur and a student had come to school wearing a swastika on his shirt. Afterall, it's a symbol of prosperity in Hinduism, who cares that the Nazis used it and they killed millions of Jews, that doesn't matter. Why should any Jewish person get offended is what you're saying? Because it's the symbol that matters not the intent it's being used for by a racist individual.

You're the one who's missing the big picture here. Is the display of the American flag offensive? No. Is it offensive when a bunch of racist kids use the American flag as the symbol to represent their racism? Fuck yes.

False equivalency. If I LIVE in a country I am not going to get offended by the sight of their flag regardless of what culture I am from. The very fact that the sight of an American flag on American soil would enrage someone points more to those being enraged as racists more than anything.

 

[Stewox]

The Supreme Court determines constitutionality, not you.

We also know about these guys as well.

 

[Whiskey16]

My post on the previous page sums it up, there's no more debate needed, the court's decision is unconstitutional and therefore null & void. If the intentions of the kids were to humiliate the mexican holiday with the weird use of a US flag, that does not make the flag it self racist, dumbo.

The racism is present here (the enthusiastic Geosurface entry is plenty of a validated evidence for a racist agenda) and directly cited in the court judgement for the school.

This ain't an echo chamber. Keep repeating already countered FUD all you want. Your anti-discussion actions to keep dismissing and ignoring what the already presented reality is rather than how you feel it to be is quite a common practice among partisan ideologues.

If they take that as an offence it's their problem, they are on US soil, their holiday has zero effect on the validity of the Constitution or the Bill Of Rights of the USA. They are free to leave US soil at any time they wish.

Divisive antagonism and disrespecting hatred is your order of the day. Conform to the purified ideal of the USA or get the *^%@ out.

Context is of primary importance: The ruling for this school was against provocative actions by some students to specifically and intrinsically apply a demonstration of the USA flag against fellow students who were celebrating Cinco de Mayo, to do as you wrote above -- for nonconforming to our USA you are against and not a part of this country. The actions were to disrespect an insult.

The court correctly identified an offence and acted appropriately. In such schools there are limits upon actions where a rational balance may be legally struck between safety, order, and expression. Despite your stubborn belief, in school there ain't an absolute carte blanche for freedom and expression. For that date and that specific event, antagonising bigots were not to be permitted to incite anger and insultingly disrespect in a proclamation against their fellow students being any less a US citizen than themselves.

 

[Matt1970]

 

[Matt1970]

^^^ Opps, sorry about that racist post.

 

[Whiskey16]

The very fact that the sight of an American flag on American soil would enrage someone points more to those being enraged as racists more than anything.

You are lying, Matt1970. This ain't a case of simply the "sight" of a flag.

Well done in a poor attempt to spin the truth out of reality.

Lying can suit an argumentative purpose best when contextual reality conflicts with your position.

The countering manufactured display of the US flag was presented to specifically incite, attack and diminish any US identity for those students who dared to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. It was a bigoted demonstration of who tried to prove more of an American and who else were aliens. The school justifiably acted to prevent/diminish the clear incitement to conflict. That pure laine supremacy falls right in line with the racist agendas of some other members here who have all too enthusiastically piled into this thread in defence of the legally chastised Arizona good'ol boys.