California jacking costs of higher education

[imported_Shivetya]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20070315-9999-1n15fees.html

Let alone paying for already over paid professors... seems that since the state won't pony up for all those highly, in some cases gross, adminstraters the students can do it! its only going to get worse as members of the falculty want more money and might strike to get it.

Its a jobs program, dummy. Never forget it.

 

[Jaskalas]

They?re probably just paying for the 10 million illegals in the state. Yes, there are lavish executives under the bloated and unchecked socialist bureaucracy but they?re not the sole reason.

 

[ntdz]

Eh, I think I can handle another $250 a year. $2500/year isn't that bad for the quality of education at my school, California probably has the best public university system in the country.

 

[fskimospy]

Ugh, professors are not overpaid. In any labor intensive industry (of which education is one), the costs to keep highly qualified people will always increase at a rate greater then inflation. That's just how things work.

I feel like you can't actually believe most of these things you post. I also notice that you never really respond to the points that other people raise. At least not substantively. Do you really believe the University of California is a jobs program? It has some of the finest colleges in the world in it, public or private. (Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD) The students of California get a world class education for a fraction of what private universities of comparable quality cost.

I don't know why I bother. You won't respond in any meaningful way, you'll just repeat yourself, or link to an ultra right wing website that has no credibility, deliberately misinterpret something, or make up some facts to support yourself. Go ahead, prove me wrong... it would be great.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ShivetyaLet alone paying for already over paid professors... seems that since the state won't pony up for all those highly, in some cases gross, adminstraters the students can do it! its only going to get worse as members of the falculty want more money and might strike to get it.

Its a jobs program, dummy. Never forget it.

Are you from California? Do you have any real data regarding the costs of providing a collete education, here? Do you have any idea of the costs of providing a collete education, anywhere?

I am a Californian, I believe giving as many people as possible the advantages of an advanced education benfiits everyone, and I'm not at all happy about the rising costs of education in my state, but if you don't have any facts about the financial conditions behind it, and you're not from Calfornia, who the fsck are you to bitch about it? :roll:

Oh, yeah... I remember... That's all you ever do, regardless of whether you can back up your whining with the slightest hint of reality.

 

[Darthvoy]

Man...since I started three-four years ago..cost have gone up 60-80 percent...oh well.

 

[marincounty]

Yes, your hero the Gropenfuhrer has raised tuition and fees at UC, CSU, and community colleges just about every year. Oh yeah, he refuses to raise taxes.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: marincounty
Yes, your hero the Gropenfuhrer has raised tuition and fees at UC, CSU, and community colleges just about every year. Oh yeah, he refuses to raise taxes.

So I'm guessing that you would rather have taxes raised so that everyone can pay for the increased cost at those schools? So instead of having the person that goes to school and benefits from school actually pay for the increases, you want everyone to pay for it?

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: marincounty
Yes, your hero the Gropenfuhrer has raised tuition and fees at UC, CSU, and community colleges just about every year. Oh yeah, he refuses to raise taxes.

So I'm guessing that you would rather have taxes raised so that everyone can pay for the increased cost at those schools? So instead of having the person that goes to school and benefits from school actually pay for the increases, you want everyone to pay for it?

And how did you pay for college? Did you get financial aid? I couldn't qualify for financial aid so I had to pay out of pocket and through student loans so I know the pain of tuition going up every year. Anyways, financial aid is a good thing since it better overall to have an educated and productive population.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
So I'm guessing that you would rather have taxes raised so that everyone can pay for the increased cost at those schools? So instead of having the person that goes to school and benefits from school actually pay for the increases, you want everyone to pay for it?

Absolutely! In case you can't figure it out, providing more kids with a good education means we get more informed, more productive members of our society as adults. Don't take my word for it. Try a few quotes from Thomas Jefferson

"An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight. It is therefore imperative that the nation see to it that a suitable education be provided for all its citizens. It should be noted, that when Jefferson speaks of "science," he is often referring to knowledge or learning in general."

"The information of the people at large can alone make them the safe as they are the sole depositary of our political and religious freedom."

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."

"Convinced that the people are the only safe depositories of their own liberty, and that they are not safe unless enlightened to a certain degree, I have looked on our present state of liberty as a short-lived possession unless the mass of the people could be informed to a certain degree."

"No nation is permitted to live in ignorance with impunity."

"Freedom [is] the first-born daughter of science."

"Above all things I hope the education of the common people will be attended to, convinced that on their good sense we may rely with the most security for the preservation of a due degree of liberty."

"[I have] a conviction that science is important to the preservation of our republican government, and that it is also essential to its protection against foreign power."

Those are just some of his thoughts from the link. There are more, and I wouldn't take much to find other opinions far more informed than yours.

 

[senseamp]

UC and CSU tuition for residents could double, and it would still be dirt cheap for the quality you are getting.